Oh they'll be leading by example alright, example of how not to do it.
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Albert Penello downplays XBO/PS4 difference in Tomb Raider; "we just shipped"
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Oh they'll be leading by example alright, example of how not to do it.
Saying "We want to make a more PC like architecture so devs can get their games on our platform easier" is not the same as "We want to re-create the PC model and have multiple SKU's that developers have to program and test for different hardware configurations and limit their potential buyers by which slice they target." Making things easier on developers was the goal this gen, not making things more complicated like you're suggesting.
WoolyNinja
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They said lots of stupid things, yes, but from memory I don't remember them making up excuses for cross-platform games that performed worst on the PS3.
I don't understand why people poke fun at or even care at all about what guys like Penello and Major Nelson have to say. They're microsoft employees, what do you want from them? To say "yeah, the xbox one is less powerful than the ps4 and our multiplatform games are the technically inferior versions"? 'Spinning and tyrying to present things in the most positive light is literally their job, I don't get why some people make such a big deal out of it.
On topic I do think there is a grain of truth to his "we've just come out" defence. PS4 is always going to have an advantage due to its gpu but I would imagine as developers get more experienced at optimising the use of the esram that the gap will narrow a little. I think 1080p vs 900p will eventually become the standard.
On topic I do think there is a grain of truth to his "we've just come out" defence. PS4 is always going to have an advantage due to its gpu but I would imagine as developers get more experienced at optimising the use of the esram that the gap will narrow a little. I think 1080p vs 900p will eventually become the standard.
I can't wait till you look back one day and realize how ridiculous this post was. Relax! It's just video games
dantevsninjas
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Because they want parity. They want these boxes to be powerful, and do a lot of different things, but they want anyone to be able to pick up and play. They don't want consumers to pick up a game, come home, and find out they need the RAM module to play it. They also want developers to know what specs they have to code to in order to get the most out of they system. While these boxes are getting more PC-like, the advantage over PC is still supposed to be ease of use for the less technically savvy consumer, and set specs for developers.
1.21Gigawatts
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I guess its clear by now that the performance gap between the two consoles is quite noticable.
Of course there are some developers who don't take advantage of the Ps4s superiority and make both versions look the same, but many devs use the power of the Ps4 to increase the resolution or framrate.
Or lets say. The have to decrease the resolution or framerate of the XBoxOne version to get it to run properly.
I guess 1080p/30FPS on Ps4 and 720p/30FPS on XboxOne, or 1080p/60FPS on Ps4 and 1080p/30FPS on XboneOne will be common situations with multiplatform titles in the future.
The question is: Will they get closer or will the gap increase further.
I guess there are points to be made for both scenarios.
XboxOne has a more complicated architecture. Once devs get the hang of it the situation should improve. That would suggest that the gap will get smaller in the future.
Ps4 is just more powerful than the XboxOne and the sPs4 has quite some stuff in it that the XboxOne lacks, thats not beeing used by now. Ps4 seems like it has more potential left than XboxOne. That would suggest that the gap will get bigger in the future.
We just don't know yet. Only thing we know yet is that there is a difference and if you mainly play multiplats and care about resolution and/or FPS the Ps4 is probably the better choice.
Of course there are some developers who don't take advantage of the Ps4s superiority and make both versions look the same, but many devs use the power of the Ps4 to increase the resolution or framrate.
Or lets say. The have to decrease the resolution or framerate of the XBoxOne version to get it to run properly.
I guess 1080p/30FPS on Ps4 and 720p/30FPS on XboxOne, or 1080p/60FPS on Ps4 and 1080p/30FPS on XboneOne will be common situations with multiplatform titles in the future.
The question is: Will they get closer or will the gap increase further.
I guess there are points to be made for both scenarios.
XboxOne has a more complicated architecture. Once devs get the hang of it the situation should improve. That would suggest that the gap will get smaller in the future.
Ps4 is just more powerful than the XboxOne and the sPs4 has quite some stuff in it that the XboxOne lacks, thats not beeing used by now. Ps4 seems like it has more potential left than XboxOne. That would suggest that the gap will get bigger in the future.
We just don't know yet. Only thing we know yet is that there is a difference and if you mainly play multiplats and care about resolution and/or FPS the Ps4 is probably the better choice.
Not everyone will buy the hardware expansion. So a game comes out that requires that expansion, guess what happens to its sells potential...
LiveFromKyoto
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Given that Microsoft BSes more than **Chartz, can we just ban them too?
Duxxy3
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I think he may have just tripped and fell on it. At least that is the kind of image he giving off.
miDnIghtEr20C
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You are welcome.
Well, that's quite a comparison.
He could stop talking about resolutions and frame rates. It comes up as a topic? Gloss over it and talk about Kinect, Xbox Live or anything that could actually be viewed as a reason to play games on an Xbox. Like this:
I have nothing against Albert, but he is straight up lying here. You have the weaker machine; downplaying stuff like this gets you nowhere. Make good games that fit the hardware and let them do the talking. No one will care that Titanfall runs at 720p and variable FPS if it begins a rebirth of the shooter genre.
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
Portugeezer
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It's more about what he shouldn't say.
I personally think that 1080p at the same frame rate for both consoles will be the most common situation with multiplats but with the PS4 version having more visual details.
NeoGAF is a discussion forum, not a marketing platform for PR to spout lies and deceive consumers. If you don't find anything wrong with lying and deceiving the consumer base, then... I don't know what to say to you.
And you don't think PS4's 8GB of GDDR5 won't see some optimization? Or a possible boost in clock speed for the CPU? (Microsoft has already done this)
The only way to judge multiplatform games is by the delta in performance/resolution between them. You are not going to get better gameplay from 1 or the other. That debate will exist aslong as there are 3rd party, even more so because people are curious how big the GAP is at any given time.
You are correct, he is not going to sink himself or MS and yes gotta give him a bit of credit for atleast acknowledging a difference exists but as they say horses for courses. He is trying to compete X1 vs PS4 head on, instead of accepting his loses and focusing on X1's strengths, which unfortunately imo they have not justified yet, Cable and Kinnect.
Its been widely accepted to say:
X1 is an entertainment machine that plays games
PS4 is a Games machine that also does entertainment.
Market appropriately and avoid these headbutts and the negativity will slowly fade, potential PR/Fact exaggerations get peoples backs up and they instinctively want to debate it, hence the massive threads.
EGOMON
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amazing
lmao where do you get these pics from bish!
Arrogant Bastard
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Consoles do not want to be like PC's. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. The entire point of a console is that you can play every game released on said console. Could you imagine a scenario where you are browsing video-games at Best Buy or w/e and they have sections that are partitioned? Do you have a PS4 1.0? PS4 1.5? PS4 2.0? Upgrade now! Install additional RAM, but install enough or you will not be able to play PS4 2.0 games.
If you want a Steam machine, buy one; consoles are not going to do that for you.
BlastProcessing
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That was Phil Harrison, not Phil Spencer.
hey_it's_that_dog
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He's posting under his real name and being fully transparent about his position. He can not say things that don't reflect on MS in the best possible way.
All that "I'm not working in PR, this is my personal time" is just rhetoric meant to increase his perceived credibility, but he absolutely cannot speak without concern for MS's interests and therefore his statements cannot be 100% attributed to his true beliefs.
But you know what, if he's doing that kind of shit, then maybe I agree with you. Maybe he is a slightly bad person. He posted here trying to be all buddy-buddy with GAF and then stopped as soon as his purpose was served.
However, in general, based on these new quotes for example, I am going to refrain from making personal judgments about him.
The Omega Man
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What's up Mr. Penello, feeling like posting today?
Nah, it would be more like we were running from the bull because we would be in Pamplona during the encierro and big Al is just unleashing it upon us with all the world able to see it on TV.
miDnIghtEr20C
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Meh.. well maybe they could of done with just their own exclusive games. I digress.
What's up Mr. Penello, feeling like posting today?
This thread is his nope.gif
LOL just gets better.What's up Mr. Penello, feeling like posting today?
emiranda061288
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how good is the kinect implementation in the xbone?
PeakPointMatrix
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I just want to re-qoute this to give it maximum exposure. How the conversation from MS should be looking like.
SwiftDeath
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See now you're spinning. You think Albert made a "mistake"? The man works for MS in a PR capacity closely associated with the hardware aspect of it. He knows the MS specs, he knows the PS4 specs, he's seen the real-world performance differences between games. He clearly very purposely tried to obfuscate the truth in his previous posts here on GAF to make posters feel better about buying an XB1 even though it was clearly a weaker console, so he did in fact purposely lie to us in perhaps the most condescending tone I have ever seen a MS employee use short of maybe Orth himself.
It's insanity that you can't see the very legitimate reasons why he is a joke around here and why he stirs up such bitterness. That reaction has been earned
hey_it's_that_dog
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It should be expected, but it should also be treated skeptically and unspun where appropriate every single time.
He isn't delusional - he fully knows what he's doing and that's what makes it despicable...
LMAO! Pretty much summarizes everything I wanted to say on the topic. Now I'm just gonna stick around for the entertainment.
They really isn't much you can do when in terms of raw power you are behind 40-50%. At this point they should just never make a single comment about multiplat games again.
Having an exclusive at 1080P doesn't prove anything really when a majority of third party games are lacking in some form or another. See Forza, does it being at 1080P prove anything? Not really. Doesn't change the fact that Tomb Raider is running at half the performance on the Xbox.
miDnIghtEr20C
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Consoles want to be more like PC's. It's already happening. Game installs anyone? Updates and patches all over the place. Web browsing, looking at your photos and videos, the list goes on. Come on now.
And yes a console already did that for me. The N64 did that for me. And I bought excite bike and star wars that took advantage of it.
Look, you are wrong!
This is why they really don't have a choice but to moneyhat games. Ryse and Dead Rising for example, third party exclusives, TITANFALL moenyhatted to not appear on PlayStation. This is the only way they can claim "Best looking ________ (opinion)" since there is no comparison.
walltowall
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You're untitled to your opinion on the console's value to you. I have no issue with that.
But......On this very "gaming forum" we often discuss apps, browsers, and various non gaming OS features of our consoles so please don't be so dismissive about what is done on this "gaming forum". Those comments come off as being willfully ignorant or obtuse.
I just think if we are having a discussion, we shouldn't pretend what the facts aren't. Look, I totally get that a consumer can accept the weaker performance of third party titles because they love MS first party titles, the controller, or even the OS more. But it's time to stop arguing there is no difference and that it doesn't matter.
It's inevitable that eventually 1080p and 60fps will be a standard, because just like other mediums when a higher standard can be achieved, it will (only in certain cases adoption can be slow due to low consumer demand, or the market not being ready to trade up).
I'm fortunate to own all systems this gen, and I think it's ludicrous how some can't accept things for what they are. It doesn't help anyone, and this train of thought only holds back the industries potential. This doesn't mean you can't still enjoy a game at lower specs/technical performance. Absolutely not, you can. But we should still acknowledge the facts.
God imagine if people fiercely defended 480p. Or standard def vs high def in TV broadcast. If there was those arguing there isn't a difference.
Enable/Disable stuff under the option menus. Things like that shouldn't fragment the install base.
Sons Of Anarchy
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Incoming penello post ?
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