Gordon Shumway
Banned
Is this how the white genocide begins!?
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Apple pulls everything w/ Confederate Flag from App Store including Civil War games
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Thanks for the correction, I'm more of a biology/genetics person myself so it's not surprising that I was off by a bit.
I just want to say to the people that say "no one cared about the flag until the shooting", you might not have. But having lived my whole life in the south I can tell you folks been working for forever trying to get it out of the government space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)
The state of Georgia changed theirs in 2003 to get rid of all traces of it.
But maybe it is too much to ask people to educate themselves on a topic first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)
The state of Georgia changed theirs in 2003 to get rid of all traces of it.
But maybe it is too much to ask people to educate themselves on a topic first.
Inferno313
Banned
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but when you're someone who has never had to deal with racism, sexism, homophobism, or other severe forms of prejudice, it makes you look like a tool for telling others to stop whining about it.
IdreamofHIME
Member
And I just mortgaged my house for the right to Dukes of Hazard to make a Dukes flappy bird game.
You are literally one of the worst type of people in this day and age. You're hopelessly oblivious.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Sorry but for some of us (including myself) it's kinda hard to have sympathy towards complete strangers regardless of skin color.
I view this issue the same way the journalist who was covering Mahatma Gandhi did when they were protesting.
An average American may look at this in the news while eating dinner and probably say something among the lines of "OMG that's horrible" but our apathy would simply kick in afterwards and move on with our lives not caring enough to ever do something about it.
I was about to say what idiotic 'Me Too!' political bullcrap this is from a company but then I remembered this is Apple we're talking about.
You look foolish either since you don't understand what the word 'literally' means or you actually do mean the word literally and you're just talking about of your rear end.
You look foolish either since you don't understand what the word 'literally' means or you actually do mean the word literally and you're just talking about of your rear end.
SDCowboy
Member
That can't possibly be how you interpreted my post...
SDCowboy
Member
Please explain how I'm one of the worst types of people...
Doczu
Member
Don't try to reason with him. It doesn't work.
The Faceless Master
Member
how many confederate battle flags did you buy on Amazon, and how many of the orders shipped?
Teleporter
Junior Member
As a foreign i love this flag and the American Civil war lore! I dont relate to this, its just extreme!
sneakydomo
Banned
Good on Apple. The Civil War sim menace has been defeated. Sure most of their products are made in sweatshops in an oppressive country that constantly violates human and civil rights. But doing something about that might actually cost them money, can't have that. On second thought fuck Apple.
The overwhelming majority? Where do you live, man? Got any research data? Or is it conjecture to make your point more relevant?
You're right - hate and anger are human emotions. But so is sadness and grief, something many people feel when they see a flag which does nothing in 2015 but support a false sense of "Southern Pride", which means what, exactly? Flying a flag that the "overwhelming majority" feels is racist does nothing positive for the image of the South, the US, or people in general. It's removal shouldn't be upsetting in the least bit, especially with the amount of people who are happy about this change. Forward thinking is a good thing.
I'm willing to bet this will be rectified. I think it's okay if they want to remove content that glorifies the flag. Obviously, they need to re-calibrate their measure to do what it was actually intended to do and not remove content that is there simply to reflect the civil war in a historically accurate way.
That's dangerous ideology. Stop it.
Lanrutcon
Member
harrisk954
Member
This is political correctness run amok. Honestly, this makes no sense whatsoever. Does this mean that Apple will also be pulling World War II games that reference Nazis and have swastikas?
EDIT: And, before anyone jumps on my statement, I am referring to Apple's position on removing ANYTHING with a Confederate flag, regardless of context... I am offended by the Confederate flag, but even more offended by overreaching political correctness to the point of stifling speech.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire (at least attributed to Voltaire, although I don't believe that it actually was by him!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMF5MjzgJrM
EDIT: And, before anyone jumps on my statement, I am referring to Apple's position on removing ANYTHING with a Confederate flag, regardless of context... I am offended by the Confederate flag, but even more offended by overreaching political correctness to the point of stifling speech.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire (at least attributed to Voltaire, although I don't believe that it actually was by him!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMF5MjzgJrM
Didn't you just write that people should get over shit? I bet you weren't talking about white people though.
Edit** The following isn't necessarily tied to your post..I'm just curious about your thoughts on the below.
How do you feel about black Americans that don't care if the flag comes down?
How about the ones that openly appose it coming down?
I see both of these (living in SC) and even have an old high-school friend that thinks the flag is fine where it is and that it's just a diversion/media push.
I don't agree or disagree with his opinion...I just find his position interesting, and it's something I don't know much about.
SDCowboy
Member
I've never ordered or bought one. Again, not sure what that has to do with what I said.
They're going to put back the stuff that's historical, relax.
They have a lot of stuff to sort through. What's easier and smarter, pulling it all and putting back the ok stuff, or pulling content one by one and risk leaving something offensive up?
SDCowboy
Member
No, All walks of life are too offended by everything today, IMO.
spons
Gold Member
As a white male, I've been told to be a real man or grow a pair and although I felt offended by that (because I have no choice in being a white male), it's not remotely comparable to racism. You are right that people who say that white men cannot be offended or are insensitive are wrong, but some acts are not like others.
Hahaha what an hypocrite.
That's easy to say when you've never been insulted, attacked, or denied opportunities due to your race, sexuality, gender, etc.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
How many people here who are pissing their pants over this ("oh censorship! Boo hoo!") are equally angry about Amazon pulling all confederate flag merchandise (as in shirts, hats, mugs, flags, etc) from their store?
Apple does it and it's the end of the fucking world. Nevermind searching the App Store and finding there are plenty of apps left that display the flag within the app itself (if it's in an historical context). It seems it's just a wipe of apps displaying the flag on the app symbol itself. This should be a quick and easy fix for any dev and really doesn't deserve all the vitriol here.
Oops, sorry. I meant to say: Apple is stupid! Fuck those over-reacting assholes! RAWR!!!
Apple does it and it's the end of the fucking world. Nevermind searching the App Store and finding there are plenty of apps left that display the flag within the app itself (if it's in an historical context). It seems it's just a wipe of apps displaying the flag on the app symbol itself. This should be a quick and easy fix for any dev and really doesn't deserve all the vitriol here.
Oops, sorry. I meant to say: Apple is stupid! Fuck those over-reacting assholes! RAWR!!!
Simple yes/no question: Do you believe that people upset over imagery over the Confederate Flag are "too offended" and need to "get over it"?
Lanrutcon
Member
canedaddy
Member
No, it's an American principle. Or was. Freedom of speech, the marketplace of ideas...
Yet you seem upset by racial slurs directed at white people, shouldn't you be taking your own advice? What "offensive" words were you referring to, by the way?
As a genetics/biology person myself, it's always funny to see how little I know about other areas and how little people who study those areas know about biology.
We're a society of specialists, geniuses at one thing yet completely ignorant at everything else. Even skills that would be useful to most people like auto repair tend to be limited to a few dedicated.
Unfortunately, it seemed like they managed to nail it in the late 2000s, and now there are a ton of people who think the billion dollar corporation is their amiable buddy. LOL
Guy LeDouche
Banned
this. as it turns out, through no fault of your own, you "won the lottery" by being born a straight white male in the first world (if you're an American SWM, you won the lottery twice over). You've never been challenged by your surroundings and the historical institutions that make up modern life as women, gays, and people of color are. You don't need to apologize for stuff you didn't do that happened in the past (slavery, violence, etc), but you should be aware that not everyone has the same privilege as you. I type this as an American SWM.
Tim Wise - On White Privilege
How many historically accurate/historically based items in good taste did Amazon remove?
Yeah, slavery and racism.
Seems like we got sidetracked by the same discussion as always when this kind of topic pops up. We should make an adaption of Godwin's Law for this and count how long it takes on average for a thread to get derailed like that.