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Bloodborne: PVP Details, New Screenshots, HDD Size
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Emperor_Uriel
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No, you cannot play co-op without becoming open to invasions. Killing the maiden only disables invasions in solo play.
Saying "I want co-op without invasions" is the equivalent of saying "I want NG+ without stronger enemies." You cannot have that, it isn't the way this game works.
Yeah I would try staying online first and only go offline as a last resort....there is simpy a great rush/feeling when you recognize someone else has entered your world..its much different (and superior imo) to chosen multiplayer and arenas. Dont be afraid of what you hvent tried...I hated getting invaded at first but after a while you will wish you got more invaders, more often.
The link provided above is what I would link as well, but its from a vet perspective. Bloodborne will be well received by critics and vets alike, there is absolutely nothing indicating a lesser game than the others; rather there is every indication that there are going to be several improvements and cool new tweaks.
As I said above, dnt be afraid...even if you die, you will recover what you were carrying as long as you get back to where you died, but if you win you will potentially hit a jackpot of in-game currency. I say give it a chance, experience the rush of being invaded, try your best to get used to the mechanic, and embrace it....it makes it waay more fun game if you do. Also, you usually only get invaded rarely unless you are summonig OP help regardless...in previous games it became a thing to smash invaders by camping out with two helpers and ganking the poor invader....invaders have never had it easy....you are always going to be at an advantage, with them taking more of the risk than you will be by playing online.
Not a dumb question at all, a good one in fact. As you are right, the reason why souls is so popular morethan anything is that skill is rewarded, and evne the most twinked hacker who sucks at the game wont necessarily be able to beat a superiorly skilled player. The lock-on mechanic fits in with that.
The purpose for lock on is simply to have your character face the enemy you lock on to no matter what direction you are travelling, and any ranged weapons whether magic, bows or knives etc. will travel toward the locked on position of the enemy. THis is immensely useful when you want to retreat, as it allows you to run backwards while still in view of your assailant and spam projecitles while doign so for example. It is also very useful when you want to circle strafe your enemy and try to get behind them, (or when it is advantageous to trvavel non-linearly) again while facing them the whole time. It can easily get you killed however as you may get locked on to the wrong enemy, you can toggle enemies by mistake, and you may end up not moving nor attacking in the direction youreally want to. Because of this I would say that an intermediate player will play freestyle without locking on, ( and thereare many times when this is a better choice) but a truly advanced player usually uses lock on a lot, but knows how to cancel it to avoid the negatives, which are avoidable with practice.
Especially because the guns are now part of bloodborne, this mechanic will be one of them most important for a new player to master. Old players wil have to re-learn owing to the fact that bloodborne is faster and the backstep has become way more important....there have been reports that the lock on and backstep are tied and that you can't back step as far if you are not locked on...cant confirm this myself, but there are likely to be enough changes that new players wont be at as huge a disadvantage as they might think owing to vets having to relearn and get accumstomed to the new mechanics. Another example is triangle button does not toggle two handing but rather heals...people kept wasting heals in the alpha becuase of this.
DealWithIt
Member
I'm not sure this is right. My understanding is that ringing your co-op bell spawns a bell maiden. Some areas have bell maidens by default too. I guess we will see for sure at launch.
Gaylord Sweetwood
Member
Preordered this last week from Dell. I have never played a Souls game before, nor have I really read up or watched videos on the previous entries. Hopefully I am in for a treat.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Are you sure? It is a $500 game after all!
(Not being serious, but this is whats being said)
piccio_ssl
Member
some new screenshots from http://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/bloodborne-ps4/online/
also info for co op and pvp
Online Multiplayer
Cooperative Play
Bloodborne's sense of reward and accomplishment upon overcoming difficult challenges is central to what makes it so unique, but that doesn't mean hunters have to go it alone. Up to 3 hunters are allowed to join forces online to tackle challenges that may be too great for a solo player. The player initiating the cooperative session is the “host” and players who respond to that are the “guests.”
Cooperative Play rules
The goal of cooperative play is to join forces and work together to defeat enemies, and ultimately the boss enemy in that level.
Initiating cooperative play
Host uses the Beckoning Bell item
Guests use the Small Resonant Bell item
Host and guest (up to 2 guests) are connected, and play within the Host’s game
Cooperative Play Completion
Once players successfully defeat the boss enemy in the area they are joined to, the guests receive a bonus reward and are returned to their own game.
Cooperative Play Incompletion
If the host or guest(s) die, or a guest uses the Silencing Blank item, the guest(s) are returned to their own world/game, and do not receive the bonus reward.
Password
Multiplayer matchmaking for cooperative play is automatic and random. However by setting a password for your session, other players can enter the same password and be joined to your game. Passwords can be up to 8 letters long.
*Passwords are only used for cooperative play, not Versus PvP session
Versus PvP Play
Hunters don't always have to work together. Versus PvP allows players to face off against one another in combat, using their various weapons and accrued skill to best each other by invading another player's game. In the below outline, the player that gets invaded is the “Host” and the invader is the “guest.” Also note that in certain areas within the game, there can be up to two invaders within a host’s game.
Versus Play Rules
When a host is in an area where a “bell-ringer woman” is present, Versus PvP invasions are possible.
Initiating Versus play <Random Invasion>
Guest uses the Sinister Resonant Bell item
Host begins cooperative play, or uses Sinister Resonant Bell to summon the bell-ringer woman
Guest is transported to host’s game
Host and guest play in Host’s game
Versus Play Completion
If the guest is able to defeat the host, s/he will receive a reward and be returned to his/her game/world.
Versus Play Incompletion
If the guest dies, or the host makes it to the boss fight area, or if the guest chooses to use the Silencing Blank item, the guest is returned to his/her own game without receiving a reward for completing the versus play session.
Asynchronous Gameplay Features
Notes
Using the Notebook item, you can leave hints, messages, and gestures for players to discover within their own game via the Messenger creatures that appear on the ground. You can also interact with Messengers you find to read notes left by others, and can votie them as Fine (helpful) or Foul (misleading). Just because another hunter has left advice behind, that doesn't mean they're being truthful; ambushes and pitfalls abound in Yharnam, even from other players, so beware.
Specter
Players will leave behind a tombstone when they die that appears in other players’ games. If you touch one of these tombstones within your game, you can view a sort of replay of their final moments, and hopefully get a hint as to how they met their end so you can avoid the same fate.
Player Ghosts
You may see player ghosts - white phantoms of other players currently playing the game in the same area as you - which may give you hints as to how to proceed.
Updates & PS Plus Requirements
Update
As of launch day, March 24 (Tuesday) at midnight, there will be an online update to the game that provides for a better gameplay experience. The main contents of the update are as follows:
Online Play Optimizations
Game performance and usability improvements, etc.
PS Plus Requirements
Certain online elements require a PS PLUS subscription in order to enjoy:
Online Feature
PS Plus Required
Online Multiplayer
YES
Asynchronous Online Features
YES
Sharing Generated Chalice Dungeons
YES
Installing Game Update
NO
Downloading Chalice Dungeon Data
NO
also info for co op and pvp
Online Multiplayer
Cooperative Play
Bloodborne's sense of reward and accomplishment upon overcoming difficult challenges is central to what makes it so unique, but that doesn't mean hunters have to go it alone. Up to 3 hunters are allowed to join forces online to tackle challenges that may be too great for a solo player. The player initiating the cooperative session is the “host” and players who respond to that are the “guests.”
Cooperative Play rules
The goal of cooperative play is to join forces and work together to defeat enemies, and ultimately the boss enemy in that level.
Initiating cooperative play
Host uses the Beckoning Bell item
Guests use the Small Resonant Bell item
Host and guest (up to 2 guests) are connected, and play within the Host’s game
Cooperative Play Completion
Once players successfully defeat the boss enemy in the area they are joined to, the guests receive a bonus reward and are returned to their own game.
Cooperative Play Incompletion
If the host or guest(s) die, or a guest uses the Silencing Blank item, the guest(s) are returned to their own world/game, and do not receive the bonus reward.
Password
Multiplayer matchmaking for cooperative play is automatic and random. However by setting a password for your session, other players can enter the same password and be joined to your game. Passwords can be up to 8 letters long.
*Passwords are only used for cooperative play, not Versus PvP session
Versus PvP Play
Hunters don't always have to work together. Versus PvP allows players to face off against one another in combat, using their various weapons and accrued skill to best each other by invading another player's game. In the below outline, the player that gets invaded is the “Host” and the invader is the “guest.” Also note that in certain areas within the game, there can be up to two invaders within a host’s game.
Versus Play Rules
When a host is in an area where a “bell-ringer woman” is present, Versus PvP invasions are possible.
Initiating Versus play <Random Invasion>
Guest uses the Sinister Resonant Bell item
Host begins cooperative play, or uses Sinister Resonant Bell to summon the bell-ringer woman
Guest is transported to host’s game
Host and guest play in Host’s game
Versus Play Completion
If the guest is able to defeat the host, s/he will receive a reward and be returned to his/her game/world.
Versus Play Incompletion
If the guest dies, or the host makes it to the boss fight area, or if the guest chooses to use the Silencing Blank item, the guest is returned to his/her own game without receiving a reward for completing the versus play session.
Asynchronous Gameplay Features
Notes
Using the Notebook item, you can leave hints, messages, and gestures for players to discover within their own game via the Messenger creatures that appear on the ground. You can also interact with Messengers you find to read notes left by others, and can votie them as Fine (helpful) or Foul (misleading). Just because another hunter has left advice behind, that doesn't mean they're being truthful; ambushes and pitfalls abound in Yharnam, even from other players, so beware.
Specter
Players will leave behind a tombstone when they die that appears in other players’ games. If you touch one of these tombstones within your game, you can view a sort of replay of their final moments, and hopefully get a hint as to how they met their end so you can avoid the same fate.
Player Ghosts
You may see player ghosts - white phantoms of other players currently playing the game in the same area as you - which may give you hints as to how to proceed.
Updates & PS Plus Requirements
Update
As of launch day, March 24 (Tuesday) at midnight, there will be an online update to the game that provides for a better gameplay experience. The main contents of the update are as follows:
Online Play Optimizations
Game performance and usability improvements, etc.
PS Plus Requirements
Certain online elements require a PS PLUS subscription in order to enjoy:
Online Feature
PS Plus Required
Online Multiplayer
YES
Asynchronous Online Features
YES
Sharing Generated Chalice Dungeons
YES
Installing Game Update
NO
Downloading Chalice Dungeon Data
NO
I wonder if there will be any convenants like the Bell or Rat covenants. I liked both idea, esp as both were optional areas, and were fun to participate in. But what made them suck a good bit is the horrible spawn locations. Too easy could you be ganked by multiple phantoms or just ganked due to bad spawns that allowed people to stand behind you while you spawned..
by going by the alpha, i think the guest would spawn near the spot he ringed the bell.
I'm talking about the specific Dark Souls 2 covenants that have people invade you/get invaded only when in certain location. They aren't co-op. Once you enter, say a bell tower, someone from the bell covenant can invade you at any time. For rat area, if you enter, at any time you could be forcefully placed in their world as an invader. I really don't think spawning an invader next to the host is a good idea. (which is what these covenant areas in DkS2 suffer from most)
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
So confirmed you can't see ghosts or notes without PS+?
hmm, no idea to tell you the truth,but if there are covenant like the rat/bell from DS2 than it might be the same.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Recent videos have shown improved anti-aliasing and without shimmering. I'd say it's better.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Can't wait to get my ass kicked in this game.
haha, part of me is considering that too. I got the CE, as really wanted it/etc. But tempted to go digital so I don't have to worry about switching discs.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I'm really conflicted on this. I want it digitally for no disc switching, but I want the steel book and digital soundtrack too. I would buy digitally if there was some other way to get the soundtrack though.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Man, some of you really are too hardcore. :|
I imagine the player ghosts and messages fall under the Asynchronous Online Features category that was mentioned a few posts above in which case PS+ will be required for those. The game will probably just boot into offline mode without it.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
greatswords pls
Confirmed(right side)
Beautiful. Looks like a Black Knight / Nito weapon
DealWithIt
Member
ooooo.. This gets me excited that certain areas might be triggers.
Would LOVE if you don't get a notification when your invaded.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Do we know if there will be a great number of different weapons in the game? So far we havn't seen much apart from what, 5 weapons? Axe/2HandedAxe, Rapier/Gun, Sword/Hammer, Cane/Whip and that sort of Saw/2HandedSaw.
A great variety comes a long way for replayability.
Also, when creating a password protected game, can we still be invaded? I'm hoping we can.
A great variety comes a long way for replayability.
Also, when creating a password protected game, can we still be invaded? I'm hoping we can.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if there was fist weapons for the ultimate melee build.
They're not going to show you all the weapons in promo material but:
Demonstrated trick weapons
Kirkhammer/Longsword
Cleaver/Sawblade
Whip/Cane
Single/Double Curvedswords
Rapier/Gunblade (Reiterpallasch)
Axe/Spin2Win
vv(Scythe/Sword)
Only in concept art
Greatsword
Demonstrated guns
Blunderbuss
Pistol
Rifle
Flamethrower
Known NPC gun
Minigun
Other known assets
Shields (supposedly flimsy/bad in some way)
piccio_ssl
Member
sword/scythe too
and speaking of guns, they show a gatling, a flamethrower and a long rifle
but i'm sure there is more to discover
edit. beaten like a beast
mysteriousmage09
Member
sword/scythe too
and speaking of guns, they show a gatling, a flamethrower and a long rifle
but i'm sure there is more to discover
edit. beaten like a beast
Assemble weapons like a boss.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Coming from Dsk2 where the variety in weapons and shields is very big, I'm just hoping that Bloodborne won't only have about 15 melee weapons due to their transformation capabilities. I don't really want to see the same build type over and over again when either being invaded or playing co-op.
What? All of the Asynchronous Gameplay Features are only for PS+, so even messages and other Player Ghosts? Are they serious?
I mean i have PS+, so it doesn't affect me, but these are things that really shouldn't be PS+ only.
sword/scythe too
and speaking of guns, they show a gatling, a flamethrower and a long rifle
but i'm sure there is more to discover
edit. beaten like a beast
I just got a boner out of that sword/scythe..
Citizen_Insane
Member
Well, looks like I just found my main weapon.sword/scythe too
and speaking of guns, they show a gatling, a flamethrower and a long rifle
but i'm sure there is more to discover
edit. beaten like a beast
dripdripsplash
Member
sword/scythe too
and speaking of guns, they show a gatling, a flamethrower and a long rifle
but i'm sure there is more to discover
edit. beaten like a beast
The shadows and the animations of those creatures are amazing. Nice gif.
JudgmentJay
Member
Does anyone recall how many weapons they showed for the Souls games in promo material? I don't remember there being many.
mordecaii83
Member
I don't believe there were many either.
One thing to remember is that even if there are only a few basic "types" of weapons, that doesn't mean there aren't a good number of variations of that type. For example, DeS had a limited number of types such as:
Greatsword
Straight Sword
Rapier
Katana
Curved Sword
Club
Great Club
Spears
Poles
There was a large amount of diversity contained in those weapon categories, plus the different upgrade paths you could take them on.
As long as there are a number of interesting options within each type of weapon, I'll be satisfied. I can't see there being only one type of Kirkhammer, for example.
Why wouldn't they be? I mean those are multiplayer features. Someone said it worked the same way for people who played Souls on Xbox 360, so I don't see why this would be any different.
Deified Data
Banned
Confirmed(right side)
2-handers are going to suck unless the window for reclaiming your health with them is really forgiving.
TacosNSalsa
Member
Is the Bell Maiden a respawning entity or a one and done kind of thing?
JudgmentJay
Member
Or the amount gained is tied to weapon speed/damage.