Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Damn I feel so sad for the guy. USA really has an authority/cop issue. This would never happen in my country.
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Cop kills Dog. Owner just a tad more than slightly pissed off.
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Which country?
Blue Ninja
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This is appalling. The guy entered someone's residence without permission, and then shot an innocent dog who was likely just defending its owner's property. That's breaking and entering + a case of animal cruelty. He didn't even have the decency to wait for the owner. That cop deserves to get fired and sued.
Props to the guy for remaining so damn calm, I would've started shouting from the get-go. You could tell the other two cops felt like shit, too, but what are they supposed to do? Heartbreaking video.
Damn, standards are getting low these days.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
Member
Netherlands.
Maybe keep her inside? I can't trust letting my dog on her own outside when no one is home. I just tend to think people could throw stuff over into my backyard at her or walk through there. So she's pretty much an inside dog unless she asks to go outside for the toilet or wishes to spend some time out there while I'm at home. Sleeps in the house at night when I'm at home though, as even though I'm at home I can't check on her whilst I'm asleep.
When my wife lived in Uruguay thieves would throw poisoned meat over fences to kill the dogs protecting the property so they could rob the places.
They had to train their dogs not to eat anything in the yard.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
To be honest, how do you expect them to react to THIS combination?
Shit gets you killed around these parts..
This is appalling. The guy entered someone's residence without permission, and then shot an innocent dog who was likely just defending its owner's property. That's breaking and entering + a case of animal cruelty. He didn't even have the decency to wait for the owner. That cop deserves to get fired and sued.
Props to the guy for remaining so damn calm, I would've started shouting from the get-go. You could tell the other two cops felt like shit, too, but what are they supposed to do? Heartbreaking video.
Seriously, whoever did this needs to be fired at the very least.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
I didn't mean they carry guns while delivering mail, just own them and was referring to the postal shootings (many of which were done by USPS employees) have taken place over the last 30 years that brought about the term "going postal".
Let us not overstretch the hot pursuit exception in 4th Amendment law. That typically only applies literally in pursuits, meaning that the police did at least have probable cause/reasonable suspicion to believe that a crime was afoot. A lost child being somewhere is not reason to start invading private property without a warrant, unless they specifically believed the owner was withholding evidence/committing a crime/etc (which does not seem to be the case when considering none of the 3 officers could give a convincing answer to what probable cause they had in the first place). If the child was in immediate danger, that would be a different story too, but again, does not seem to be the case.
puebla
Member
Just looking at the page, and you can tell that the dog was not vicious at all. There's no way that it charged the officer, it probably just barked at him, but some 180 lb man was scared to get bitten and had to put the dog down. I know I'm not the only one here who would rather get bitten by a dog and wrestle it off than have to kill it, it's not a fucking pitbull. Fucking pos and fuck the chief too.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
How absurd. Walking onto someone elses property without permission(there wasn't even a good cause to enter the backyard), shooting an animal of the owner. I don't even think the dog attacked the owner. Dogs usually run towards people that come in. Running towards someone ≠ attacking someone.
Can they get away with that?
Amazing how calm and reasonable the owner stayed while talking to the cops.
Can they get away with that?
Amazing how calm and reasonable the owner stayed while talking to the cops.
Sociopaths seek positions of authority.
grap3fruitman
Banned
If you've seen the cop threads on NeoGAF, you know that they can kill human beings, in public, in plain day, in front of a crowd and get away with it. "Paid suspension" is all he'll get. We'd be lucky if this guy just lost his job.
Nice Narcissism you've got there.
MWS Natural
Member
Really? All this for a dog? God some peoples priorities are all kinds of fucked up.
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Not saying what the officer did wasn't terrible but people calling in death threats?
Yeah, like yours.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
People burned jerseys and made the same damn comments when a grown ass man decided he was skipping town and playing for a sports team down south..are you really THAT surprised?
Fuck this. I'm slinking back to gaming, don't want to be banned again.
WTF. The guy has just had his dog killed. I would be in fucking pieces if that was me.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Probably for the best. Not sure there's much else to gain from engaging..
MWS Natural
Member
The cop should be fired...not killed. An animals life does not equal a human's, I don't care how much you feel that your pet is a member of the family. It's a fucked up situation and I hate the cops can seemingly do as they please and only get a slap on the wrist if that.
That's a goddamn shame. The owner was about as calm as a person who just learned their dog had been shot could possibly be.
I almost witnessed a cop shooting a dog once. There was a stray Rotweiller in my neighborhood, who I had just seen attacking a Pitbull, who was on a leash. Didn't attack the owner; just the other dog. My wife called the cops, who came pretty soon. The stray was just standing there when the officer got out of his car. He immediately pulled out his gun and chambered a round. The owner of the pit on the leash was still there, and we both told the officer not to shoot him.
Officer says "Well if he comes at me, I'm going to shoot him." Both the owner and I tried to tell the Rott to lie down, which amazingly enough, he did. Animal Control came and took him away. Chances are that he was put to sleep later, but I suppose that at least he was spared the pain of possibly being shot multiple times.
I almost witnessed a cop shooting a dog once. There was a stray Rotweiller in my neighborhood, who I had just seen attacking a Pitbull, who was on a leash. Didn't attack the owner; just the other dog. My wife called the cops, who came pretty soon. The stray was just standing there when the officer got out of his car. He immediately pulled out his gun and chambered a round. The owner of the pit on the leash was still there, and we both told the officer not to shoot him.
Officer says "Well if he comes at me, I'm going to shoot him." Both the owner and I tried to tell the Rott to lie down, which amazingly enough, he did. Animal Control came and took him away. Chances are that he was put to sleep later, but I suppose that at least he was spared the pain of possibly being shot multiple times.
Obviously that behavior is extreme and shouldn't be condoned. Most people that are upset about this situation want this cop fired, and I personally think that's fair. It wasn't just a dog to that owner, it was his family member and friend. I know it's hard to comprehend for some people that don't feel this way towards animals, but it's real feelings people like us have towards our pets and in my case, my dog; especially those that don't have a lot of family or any children.
There are a few death threats over every scandal that gets media attention. That's neither unique nor especiably notable in this case. Just some nutcases enjoying anonymity.
But public outrage is more than justified, even more so when you pretty much can be certain that the repurcussions for this cop will be insufficent. If it was up to his superior and the owner hadn't taped everything, I doubt this would even be a story.
And gtfo of here with these different values of life. Any time you needlessly murder something it is wrong. Be it a human, a pet or a wild animal for "sport". It's fucked up.
The fact that it was the course of action of a "seasoned officer with tremendous experience" underlines even more how low the standards for law enforcement employees in the states are.
The smug way the officers smirk and ask for the owners details is what irks me. They essentially broke onto someones property with no real PC and used deadly force on an animal probably charged with defending the house.
Seems like a lot of American Police officers are trigger happy. I hope this guy sues the shit out of that department but you know they'll close rank and the officer himself will get no real punishment.
I know all of the american police aren't like this but the volume of these types of stories is alarming.
Seems like a lot of American Police officers are trigger happy. I hope this guy sues the shit out of that department but you know they'll close rank and the officer himself will get no real punishment.
I know all of the american police aren't like this but the volume of these types of stories is alarming.
Hahahha! Holy shit, that kinda is how I treat the police. I tread fucking lightly.
Team Top Hat
Banned
Humans are animals. Life is all equal. If a police dog is the same as human, then so is my dog. Fuck that police officer. I really hope he loses his job, house, and lives on the streets like the scum he is.
Wolfe
Member
Why are you even commenting on these shitting internet "death threats"?
Also always cracks me up when people use the "animals are below humans" argument, guess what buddy we're animals too. In the grand scheme of things there's nothing that makes us any better than any of the other animals on the planet.
On the contrary, we got plenty that makes us worse.
Thankfully this will never happen in the US due to previous USSC rulings.
Local areas can make laws prohibiting it, but they'll get thrown out in court.
A big part of the problem is that in many of these cases the officers responsible seem to always be "in fear of their life." Just because a dog is running towards you and barking doesn't mean it's attacking. 9/10 times it's saying hello and wants to play. And it's pretty easy to tell the difference if you've spent any amount of time with a dog.
Officers get compensated extremely well because they're expected to deal with some risk of injury on the job.
But when officers start thinking that every single thing is a deadly threat and the default reaction is "shoot to kill" then they're more of a danger to the public than a hindrance.
It all goes back to the example in my previous post. Except my GF isn't a trained police officer. If an officer had the same reaction, it would be appalling as officers are supposed to know the difference.
Supposed being the key word.
1) Police didn't bother to search the house where the kid lived (and where he was the entire time).
2) No one could have possibly seen the kid wander into that yard.
3) The officer couldn't have possibly heard a child in distress in that yard.
4) If the officer LOOKED OVER THE FENCE before entering, he would have seen what was in the yard.
Agree with this completely. Not sure how an officer, who is well paid and highly trained in taking down suspects (10 years experience on the force) couldn't deal with an average sized dog.
Most dogs are social animals. They're going to run up and bark because they want to say hello. Give them a friendly greeting and you're instant buddies. Those who don't want you near them are going to keep their distance and let you know. Dogs don't just randomly attack. They warn, they try to establish dominance and they'll attack if cornered.
I've never been attacked by a strange dog and I've encountered plenty over the years. I always find it amusing when I meet someone with a dog and ask to pet him/her. Seems like ~1/3 of the time I'll get a "you can try, but he/she doesn't really like people." Five minutes later I'm hearing "Wow, I've never seen him/her warm up to someone so quickly before." It's all a matter of reading the dog and responding in kind.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I'd take my cat over you, any day, buddy.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Individually, no. But it seems entire departments let shit like this slide so it goes beyond the individual cop.
I don't trust the police anymore.
You and my dog are unconscious in a burning building. I only have time to save one. Hope you have sunblock.
Exactly. Even if they are aggressive, most are easy to pacify if you have any sort of understanding of dog psychology. Most guard dogs are actually easy enough to pacify by pinning down the dog by the neck. Most actually just want you to go away because you're entering their personal space.
Granted, I've never seen any of those breeds (i.e. Pit Bulls, Dogo Argentino) that can get in that so-called "kill zone", since Victoria has banned just about all of them, but most aggressive dogs are easy to deal with by ignoring them or avoiding them. You don't just walk in, look at the dog, keep walking into the dog's territory and then responding to a very dog behavior with lethal force. Its like pacifying a nervous mentally unstable person by aiming a gun at them then filling them with lead when they respond "incorrectly". All of these incidents that keep happening tend to suggest a lack of police training and conditioning.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
They probably can't due to liability issues.
They're instructed never to take blame or apologize.
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