Japanmanx3
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Just for that, I hope Snake never comes to Smash Bros ever again and that MGS6 is a Pachinko game.
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could Metroid work as a cover shooter?
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Just for that, I hope Snake never comes to Smash Bros ever again and that MGS6 is a Pachinko game.
Sure. Trying out new things is never a bad idea so long as those new things are executed well. Also, anyone criticizing this idea while hoping for a new 3D Metroid Prime instead of a 2D Metroid is laughable. You don't get to act like a genre purist and then say, "but that one time Metroid completely shifted genre and gameplay style, that was fine, but it can never do that again."
Jack Scofield
Member
In this thread, Nintendo fans don't know what they want. People hated the idea of Metroid becoming an FPS prior to the Prime series, and look how those games turned out.
Jawmuncher
Member
Just for that, I hope Snake never comes to Smash Bros ever again and that MGS6 is a Pachinko game.
I take it all back.
nkarafo
Member
It seems to me that many people identify games by their lore and not their game design.
For instance: Metroid = That game about Samus destroying the Metroids, trying to fight mother brain and the pirates, etc. So basically they don't care about the game design, genre, gameplay, etc. Just give them Samus, Space pirates and Mother Brain and do different games with those.
But i disagree with this notion. Since we are talking about games, the first priority should be game design. Games must be identified by their design first, not the lore.
For instance: Metroid = That game where you are isolated and you have to explore and backtrack in order to open up new areas by using the new suit upgrades you find, trying to find your way by going deeper in the planet, etc. That should be the way people treat game titles. Because it's about games.
Case in point:
Pretty much everything. Except maybe some technical stuff.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Every single Metroid game has tons of combat. It's always been about shooting, but it's like I said in my edit: It's the dynamic between shooting and exploration that makes Metroid so exciting. You can't just remove the shooting and expect anywhere near the same level of excitement.
GametimeUK
Member
Yes, it could. It may not be what fans want, but a good cover shooter will always be a good cover shooter regardless of the IP attached to it.
So much for trying new things
nkarafo
Member
A good football game will always be a good football game regardless having basketball as the title on the cover.
But it will still be a shitty basketball game for the people who feel like playing a basketball game.
Metroid Prime didn't completely shift genre. That's what makes it such a great 2D-to-3D transistion.
Do you consider Mario 64 or Zelda OoT complete genre shifts from the 2D games?
Just for that, I hope Snake never comes to Smash Bros ever again and that MGS6 is a Pachinko game.
That's some gif. Wow.
What's the source?
nkarafo
Member
People got upset with Prime at first because they though it will be treated like a regular FPS game. In the end, it was just like Super Metroid in first person perspective. It was still the same game design, the only thing that changed was the perspective (which allowed new upgrade ideas like the visors btw). It's still the same "genre" whatever genre Metroid falls into.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No.
Umm...could it? Don't really think so. Platforming and movement abilities should be available during Metroid's battles and rooms should be designed around them and environmental puzzles first before action set pieces.
Sure, have some shooting rooms, but don't make every room a shooting room or not have enemies as cover based would encourage (otherwise why get into cover when you can just jump around?)
Also, how do you even do the vast majority of Metroid's enemies in a cover shooter set up? What do geemers and shriekbats do?
Sure, have some shooting rooms, but don't make every room a shooting room or not have enemies as cover based would encourage (otherwise why get into cover when you can just jump around?)
Also, how do you even do the vast majority of Metroid's enemies in a cover shooter set up? What do geemers and shriekbats do?
Zombie James
Banned
At this point giving Metroid fans what they want is something new.
NormalFish
Banned
If you're making something new, why should it be metroid?
Subtervotion
Member
It has to be an exploration game more than anything. That doesn't mean it can't have a great combat system too.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
As a cover shooter? No. As a Doom style shooter? Maybe.
nkarafo
Member
Well, to be fair it was a decent action game with a terrible, cliched, anime trope story.
But it didn't play like a Metroid game at all.
JOEVIAL
Has a voluptuous plastic labia
No. Please no. Please... just no. NOOOOOO!!
Seriously, all we need is a game similar to any of the Prime games. Keep it FPS, I would love more exploration though. A pseudo open world would be nice, but with similar shooting mechanics. A wider FOV would be totally boss for Metroid Prime.
Seriously, all we need is a game similar to any of the Prime games. Keep it FPS, I would love more exploration though. A pseudo open world would be nice, but with similar shooting mechanics. A wider FOV would be totally boss for Metroid Prime.
thomasmahler
Member
Could Mario work as a First Person Shooter?
JetSetRadio
Banned
We'll see when HVS drops the next metroid.
Other M's "framework" would work better as a 3D Contra game
Team Alucard
Banned
Umm, the studio that made three out of the four AAA Metroid games has done nothing but make low-budget 2D platformers since.
GametimeUK
Member
Just like Metroid Prime is a shitty game for the people that feel like playing 2D games? /s
Your analogy is way off, by the way.
Glass Rebel
Member
There's nothing wrong with the very basic framework of Other M, at least nothing that makes it inherently worse than Metroid Prime as a basis for a 3D Metroid. The problem is that they added a baklava's worth of layers of shit to it.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Low-budget?
nkarafo
Member
People didn't identify Metroid for being a 2D game. 2D was just the norm for all games back in the day. The 3D, first person Metroid is still Metroid by design. But i do understand some people didn't enjoy the change in perspective and controls (that was the big difference basically). But because some people didn't like this change it didn't mean it's not a Metroid game.
And i don't think my analogy is off. You are asking about a Metroid game without caring how it plays as long as it's good regardless the title. But for most people the title alone actually represents how a game plays. So yeah, a Metroid cover shooter can still be a good cover shooter. But it will be a shitty Metroid game for the people who read the title and expect a Metroid game.
I'm one of those people who defines Metroid by its structure and not its setting. I don't care about Samus Aran or the Space Pirates or Federation, I want to be exploring a place (and not following a tour).
I don't see how that differs, ultimately it's still a stick-to-cover-or-die game, more so than most modern military shooters.
I don't see how that differs, ultimately it's still a stick-to-cover-or-die game, more so than most modern military shooters.
Spieler Eins
Member
Why can't Metroid cover?
b00_thegh0st
Member
Metroid is not a shooter.
I understand. I personally want a game that's after Fusion. Like, even Other M isn't after Fusion. Of all the 2D/Sakamoto games, we've had a remake, one before Fusion,
and another remake.
Langdon Alger
Banned
No.
WaterAstro
Member
They should make Mario a cover shooter instead.
paragonpro
Banned
Im fine with a third person over the shoulder metroid, but no cover based shooting
The difference is that in Vanquish the enemies are shooting at you. In Metroid, most enemies are either passive or use melee attacks/charging right at you. Consider how the fuck fighting a Metroid would work in a cover based shooter.
So it's either make the game more shooter focused to justify a cover system or don't and make the cover system superfluous. It's a solution seeking a problem.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
The next Metroid game should just follow linear paths until you reach open area where you can cover and shoot some enemies and then lead into another hallway until you reach another open area. Also, if you press R3 you can turn on Sense Mode which then highlight hidden Missile Expansions and Energy Tanks for you.
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