Topher
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Cyberpunk 2077 2.0: Phantom Liberty | PC/Console Performance|Screenshots
- Thread starter LiquidMetal14
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You are right. Thanks.
GymWolf
Member
Yeah i saw some comparisons and the difference looks quite big.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Moreso in motion, I think. Screenshots in Cyberpunk Overdrive often looked better than actual gameplay. That's much less true now.
GymWolf
Member
Facts.
The Cockatrice
Member
They picked the worst profile for DLSS 3,5 fyi. Theres a ton of ghosting. Gonna see if I can change the presets.
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GymWolf
Member
Worst profile? What do you mean?
The Cockatrice
Member
Topher
Gold Member
Game looks fantastic. DLSS RT makes a big difference as well.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
This just looks like DLSS upscaling being turned up a little high. It has limits.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Yeah, we're seeing several new technologies intersect to do something that just wouldn't be possible otherwise.
GymWolf
Member
Maybe It is possible because this is not real path tracing (or not the best quality or whatever) where every single light source produce realistic results.
A lot of small objects produce zero light even if they effectively produce some light, just go close to a dark wall with your shiny orange wirecable equipped and see how it goes.
I saw npcs wearing glowing objects that produced zero lights whatsoever close to walls, and that's is what i noticed in a rushed 30 min try where i was inside menus half the time.
This is why it can run at playable framerates (on 2000+++ dollars pc).
Calculating every single small source of light must be impossible on anything except renderfarms for movie cg.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No RT looks better to me. better reflections, better light bounce. Maybe this comparison is incorrectly tagged and RT is on in the pic on the left?
GymWolf
Member
I think the opposite strangely enough.
Lokaum D+
Member
25GB on PS5
The Cockatrice
Member
No, forget about the lighting, I mean the textures of the car. Doesnt look like solid metal, but looks like a painting, something you usually see in AI made/enhanced pictures.
Also, left is no RT/PT. You can tell by the shadows and lack of no light bounce.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Look on the right. The reflections are completely missing and the neon light is no longer illuminating that area with a blue tint like it does in non RT mode.
Lokaum D+
Member
i dont know what are u talking about, Maxed out looks way better
Schmendrick
Member
edit: forget it. yes that pic seems fucked somehow the longer I look.
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FeastYoEyes
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What's crazy is before the patch, I couldn't get more than 40 frames in path tracing. I'm getting 70 now, even in downtown. Driving feels different and it sounds like they replaced sound effects.
The Cockatrice
Member
Heres a different comparison, between PT NO RR and with RR. Forget about the lighting and shadows. Look at the car itself, its textures. Looks weird. How am I the only one noticing it? Right looks like the car is straight out of a painting.
Edit: looks like reflections are missing as well, but the positive of RR is extra 5 FPS and more light bounce.
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Lokaum D+
Member
that's why you like Starfield, u dont understand shit about reflection, rough surfaces and materials, bounce lighting and GI or even graphic fidelity, so, go back into simping for mediocrity
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Lokaum D+
Member
diferent material ll have different reflections, the floor as exemple is a rough material so it ll have more difuse reflection, the car looks a lot more realistic with PT than without, this image of yours the car isnt under direct light, so there is no need to be reflecting/shining that much, shadows inside the car are really much much better.
imo it looks way more realistic and pleasing to the eye, remember not everything in our world ll reflect things as a mirror.
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GymWolf
Member
I was on a tablet and i got the label wrong, yeah no rtx looks more natural, maxed out look like it has a yellow piss filter.
And the matal on the car looks more like metal.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I don't things like the monowire casting light are a technical limitations, it's probably more to do with how the assets were built for a game that wouldn't support path tracing until years later. There is a performance hit for light sources but there are scenes in this game with dozens of visible lights in every direction so they aren't saving much by shaving one or two.
The main thing that makes this possible in realtime is that they are using a much sparser density of rays. And that would normally create a really noisy image with a lot of instability. So to make up for this they would look at a lot of ray data being pulled from past frames and several layers of denoising being run to clean this up, but it could wash out detail, left a temporal lag with dynamic lighting and it was still noisy in dark areas where light rays are especially sparse.
But the new AI denoiser does a much, much better job at this, which brings it closer to how we would expect. It's still not 100% of course but it's pretty amazing.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lmao. See A alloush , I have truly broken this man.
Dude, the developers chose to prebake that neon light bounce for a reason. For whatever reason, PT is not showing it. The reflective surfaces were also on purpose with devs choosing that particular material to ensure it has screenspace reflections. The non RT mode is what the developer intended. The Path Tracing is removing all that artistic intention. Whether or not it looks more accurate is irrelevant when the other one simply looks better and what you would expect in a neon lit city.
Thats why i still think the screenshots are not tagged correctly. I would expect RT mode to look like that.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
You can definitely see the new part of the town from badlands, just started new game as a Nomad and climbed the tower... nice.
Also, Nvidia are wizards, that ray technology is amazing. Clear image with path tracing, we live in the future.
Also, Nvidia are wizards, that ray technology is amazing. Clear image with path tracing, we live in the future.
Lokaum D+
Member
lmao. See A alloush , I have truly broken this man.
Dude, the developers chose to prebake that neon light bounce for a reason. For whatever reason, PT is not showing it. The reflective surfaces were also on purpose with devs choosing that particular material to ensure it has screenspace reflections. The non RT mode is what the developer intended. The Path Tracing is removing all that artistic intention. Whether or not it looks more accurate is irrelevant when the other one simply looks better and what you would expect in a neon lit city.
Thats why i still think the screenshots are not tagged correctly. I would expect RT mode to look like that.
GymWolf
Member
Putting aside what you say about the improved tech, I think they are saving way more than 1-2 lights sources per scene if none of the lights emitted by npcs are absent, at a certain point they had to made compromises to make this thing even run decently.
We are probably both right, the engine wasn't build for pathtraced and they didn't bothered to fix that to not make the game unplayable.
I mean, it is not absurd to think that rtx on a 3000 dollars pc is nowhere near the rtx utilized by pixar and star wars movies, right?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
If you go to the profile for this game in nvidia profile inspector and the rebar is already enabled then you dont need to do anything. If its not enabled then select the same settings you did for starfield and run a few tests to see if you notice some framerate improvements. if not, turn it off to be safe.
LaughingStock
Member
Can't wait to try it tonight. If I wasn't so balls deep into Starfield I'd start a new playthrough.
Roni
Gold Member
Lol, c'mon now...
GymWolf
Member
Wait, so it can cause problems? i thought it was just free performances...
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ive heard it can cause some crashes in games that dont natively support it, but that was a while ago.
The Cockatrice
Member
Heres a better picture on what Ray Reconstruction does to the picture. This is on ultra performance just to make a clearer point. clearly the AI wasnt trained enough. Think I might disable RR.
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Tbh that how cinematic/studio lighting work , the realistic lighting look like shit on camera so they use tons of "fake" light that had nothing to do with the enviroment to lid the scene .
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Sanepar
Member
Why do u have so many options on ray tracing? For me just lisy ray tracing and path tracing.
Imagine I say my honest opinion in this very thread about CP, I will probably receive death threatslmao. See A alloush , I have truly broken this man.
Dude, the developers chose to prebake that neon light bounce for a reason. For whatever reason, PT is not showing it. The reflective surfaces were also on purpose with devs choosing that particular material to ensure it has screenspace reflections. The non RT mode is what the developer intended. The Path Tracing is removing all that artistic intention. Whether or not it looks more accurate is irrelevant when the other one simply looks better and what you would expect in a neon lit city.
Thats why i still think the screenshots are not tagged correctly. I would expect RT mode to look like that.
skneogaf
Member
When I first selected overdrive and ran the benchmark it said some things were still off but I restarted the game after I selected overdrive and it says yes in everything that needs to be yes.
I'm curious what a better cpu with ddr5 and a 4090 would give in comparison to my older 9700k and ddr4.
Anyone able to screen shot a benchmark if you have said components?
King Dazzar
Member
More time with PS5 version. Performance is still an issue in some of the dense areas. VRR still needed. It is improved though over previous patch.
Roni
Gold Member
Using standard Ray Tracing techniques, you can toggle a bunch of stuff. Using Path Tracing, it's all or nothing.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
New weapons are included in the base game. I'm not sure if this addition is from 2.0... but it's nice to see new gear.
Damn, this game plays so damn well and looks so freaking amazing. Stealth is actually useful. What a nice change coming from 3 weeks of Starfield.
Damn, this game plays so damn well and looks so freaking amazing. Stealth is actually useful. What a nice change coming from 3 weeks of Starfield.
GymWolf
Member
I readed that you can't put suppressors on magnums anymore
GHG
Member
Heres a better picture on what Ray Reconstruction does to the picture. This is on ultra performance just to make a clearer point. clearly the AI wasnt trained enough. Think I might disable RR.
Yeh it fucks with a lot of things, I've turned it off. Still above 60fps with DLSS quality, RT psycho and frame-gen enabled so can't complain.