Sword Of Doom
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Sony spreading themselves thin though. The US is an important market. Maybe they should redirect supplies from markets they already have locked up to the US
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December 2013 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes January 13
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Sony spreading themselves thin though. The US is an important market. Maybe they should redirect supplies from markets they already have locked up to the US
Captain Smoker
Member
You're right, updated.
3DS: ~ 1.000.000 (semi official)
XBO: 908.000
PS4: 680.000 - 908.000
360: 643.000
PS3: 0 - 643.000
Wii: 0 - 643.000
And Wii U 0 - 908.000 but you know, lol.
rokkerkory
Member
how many did they sell in Nov I forget? Can't be more than what 500k Nov NPD?
so maybe 1.4m NPD for Nov + Dec combined?
Well, now we can start arguing about February NPD
Technically, this is December NPD, so we've still got January to contend with, heh.
Anyway, unsurprising result really. Would've been a madhouse otherwise.
That said, surprised to see sub-1m from both of 'em.
EDIT:
u wot m8
It appears that they lost at least UK though
Canada didn't. Available everywhere, and have been pretty much since launch.
shinra-bansho
Member
Both PS4 and XB1 numbers are on the low side considering their announcements. :/
Although the PS4 launched in several countries and also had pretty strong continental European sales comparatively.
Although the PS4 launched in several countries and also had pretty strong continental European sales comparatively.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
MS takes December as expected. Sony couldn't keep up with demand.
November was almost exactly the same as December. So 1.8M
Ryu Hayabusa
Member
The amazing Xbox Family
Wii U and Vita?
Wii U and Vita?
fastford58
Member
As I suspected...but X1 not breaking a mil with the stock trackers saying it was widely available? A little worrying I would say.
We don't even know how much it sold inside North America.
NA = US + MX + CA, but we only know US.
Also:
"Together, Xbox One and Xbox 360 held 46 percent of the hardware market share in the U.S. and showed a 10 percent year over year growth from December 2012."
1551k (1 / 0.46 - 1) = ~1820k
+/- 1820k between PS3 + PS4 + Wii U + Wii?
Oops my bad. That's what I meant.
Now to kill my last few hours at work watching the inevitable bans and drama ^_^
How are they low, exactly? Sony sold pretty much every single PS4 they could produce and even though XB1 might be overstocked it still sold a lot compared to previous launches.
I think we all had unreasonable expectations.
GAF is not one person. If the majority of GAF seems to be going against MS, then that is only representative of the views of gamers as a whole. Which console do you see on store shelves still?
rokkerkory
Member
Okay thank you... so ~1.2m for the other 12 markets... seems optimistically probable?
What about PS4, if they didn't win Dec NPD then they did very well everywhere else.
Version 3.0
Member
Since the economic collapse in October 2008, retailers have been trying to get what little money people have out of their wallets ASAP, so they've been majorly pushing up November advertising to get that first (and sometimes last) buck from consumer pockets. That's led to a decrease in December multipliers, I think.
Excellent visual example of the post-2008 November retailer push adjusting historical trends.
Interesting theory.
We'll see...next year...if that holds true. It could just be the age of these machines - they're not the hot Christmas items they used to be. It wasn't true, for example, of the one viable new machine the last 2 years - the 3DS' last 2 Decembers were more than double November.
Ps4 in 40-something countries and not readily available until just recently (and then sparsely) I can believe. Xbone has a price position problem. It should have done better.
Anecdotal, but I've seen them everywhere around here for the past month (Central Illinois).
And PS4s are easy enough to find.
Definitely aren't seeing a repeat of the Wii in terms of demand.
~1.8m in the US meaning 1.2m sold outside the US which sounds perfectly reasonable.
SwiftDeath
Member
I have a feeling you're not going to last long
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
PS4s are easy to find? Really?
Numbers from Sony and NPD suggest that PS4 has at least 1M units on the XB1 outside of the US.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I think it's funny how some people are attacking Microsoft for having the system in stock, lol.
fastford58
Member
Not anecdotal when you use the stock tracking sites that M. Nelson provided...they have been in stock at a majority of the tracked stores since well before Christmas.
Not to mention Amazon where the X1 is just always in stock, but large shipments of PS4s sell out in hours, if not minutes still.
sechsterangriff
Member
Reasonable but much more than I expected from outside of the US. I was expecting over 1 millione for the Xbone in the US.
shinra-bansho
Member
If the PS4 number is closer to 700K it's on the low side. But as noted in my edit, the 4.2M includes launches and much stronger European sales.
1.8M cumulative for the XB1 in the US seems low, since taking the 300K in the UK, and say 100K in AU and a generous 200K for Canada, they're still well shy of 3M. The known continental Europe sales haven't been particularly strong from memory.
michaelius
Banned
Especially when that 12 includes UK
Shaqiri1287
Banned
Please tell me you aren't being serious? That is the argument you want to run with?
Because people on Gaf hate the Xbox, it must be true?
The people who post on Gaf are the last group of people you want to use as an indicator of how the general public is receiving a product.
"Gamers as a whole." I laughed when i read that.
Here, yes.
I've seen them in Targets and Best Buys pretty often. Not as easy as XBox One's, but easy enough that no one is camping out for them anymore.
Contrast to the Wii, where there were lines at these stores until March.
joecanada
Member
Yup here on west coast Futureshop never was out even one day.. launch ed were available into Xmas season
rokkerkory
Member
I would say that is fair and PS4 is only going to gain ground once supply picks up. MS lucky with PS4 supply being fairly constrained.
Going to put MS in the trenches in their most critical territories and do battle with marketing and exclusives.
Good ole fun coming for 2014.
anexanhume
Member
http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-one-december-npd
They're using multi-plats to claim that they have 6 of the top 10 selling (next-gen) titles in December.
Also, 2.9 attach rate across physical and digital.
They're using multi-plats to claim that they have 6 of the top 10 selling (next-gen) titles in December.
Also, 2.9 attach rate across physical and digital.
SwiftDeath
Member
More info from Major on his blog
http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-one-december-npd
December 2013 NPD highlights include:
Total combined retail spend on the Xbox platform (Xbox One and Xbox 360) in December reached $1.39 billion, 50 percent of the combined software, hardware and accessories spend in the U.S. (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).
During the month of December, Xbox One held six of the top 10 spots on the new generation console game title list: “Battlefield 4,” “Forza Motorsport 5,” “Dead Rising 3,” “Ryse: Son of Rome,” “Madden NFL 25” and “Call of Duty: Ghosts” (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).
Fans continue to show their excitement for new generation Xbox One games, with U.S. consumers purchasing an average of 2.9 games* per console since launch.
*retail and digital (internal Microsoft data)
http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-one-december-npd
December 2013 NPD highlights include:
Total combined retail spend on the Xbox platform (Xbox One and Xbox 360) in December reached $1.39 billion, 50 percent of the combined software, hardware and accessories spend in the U.S. (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).
During the month of December, Xbox One held six of the top 10 spots on the new generation console game title list: “Battlefield 4,” “Forza Motorsport 5,” “Dead Rising 3,” “Ryse: Son of Rome,” “Madden NFL 25” and “Call of Duty: Ghosts” (Source: NPD Group, December 2013).
Fans continue to show their excitement for new generation Xbox One games, with U.S. consumers purchasing an average of 2.9 games* per console since launch.
*retail and digital (internal Microsoft data)
XBox One was best selling console.
They would say system if they had beat the 3DS.
That's how is usually works.
I feel like judging actual popular gamer opinion in general based on relative GAF popularity/vocal opinion is a bad idea. See: the Vita. GAF isn't a hive mind, but it's also really not representitive of widespread common opinion.
They've been doing that since forever.
Only 6 though? Usually 8/9 out of 10 are multiplats, I guess there's Killzone and a few 3DS titles taking the other spots
rokkerkory
Member
lightning2k3
Member
#BrazilTeamXBox
anexanhume
Member
3DS doesn't count, since it's next gen only. That means 4 titles in that top ten are Wii U or PS4 exclusive. Maybe SMW3D, Killzone, Knack etc.
Sammy Samusu
Member
And new generation only.
No they wouldn't, check last month's prediction thread. We were led to believe 3DS was the best selling system in Nov and we all know what happened.
Xbox family arises?
Well to be fair they finally have more than one system to report.