Omnistalgic
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So happy right now...this gen really is kicking off for me this year. Amazing game to bring back with upgrades. Not DMC5 but close enough
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Devil May Cry 4 SE: Vergil, Trish & Lady Playable, Release Date 18th of June
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Tyrant Rave
Banned
Lady and Trish too? Fuck me this is awesome.
Brian_FETO
Banned
This is legit one of the coolest game cinematics I've ever seen
Hyped for the Special Edition!
boredandlazy
Member
Well they still need to fix the backtracking garbage in DMC4 otherwise I'll still most likely prefer DMC3SE overall.
Wolvesinthebathroom
Member
Day after my birthday!
I wonder if this means Lady and Trish will play the same. Still, this is really interesting news since nobody thought there would anything more than Vergil.
Wonder if they changed much about the campaign.Don't know if you've played DMC3 recently but it has as much if not more backtracking through old areas than DMC4. They just paced it better.
Isn't the Metal Gear series bigger than DMC? Also didn't MGR only sell like a million copies and it was outsold by DmC?
How much did DMC 4 sell compared to MGR....
DMC4 as at over 3 million now.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
DMC4 has sold like 3 million copies LTD I think. It did very well.
I wonder if this means Lady and Trish will play the same. Still, this is really interesting news since nobody thought there would anything more than Vergil.
I would think it would just imply that they're extra characters who likely don't have the kind of story focus that Vergil does (who got his own mode).
But we'll see.
badcrumble
Member
Honestly it wouldn't be a huge undertaking. There are actually very few parts of the game that actually use the Devil Bringer for platforming/traversal (given that most of the levels need to be traversable by Dante as well). It's something that basically happens right when you obtain it and in that room with the spiked ceiling and not much of anywhere else.
The Devil Bringer is (correctly) focused on combat, and its use in traversal is (correctly) a mere afterthought.
But yeah, making Dante also playable in Nero's levels (and Nero playable in Dante's levels, why not) would be fantastic.
I'm really really hoping Lady, Trish, and Vergil have their own full sets of abilities and upgrades (and for Lady, even her own fairly unique systems-level stuff since she can't DT).
And yeah, like I said before, a classic DMC3 weapons pack for Dante would be absolutely killer.
Man, if we're really really lucky, we might even get a second firearm and melee weapon for Nero. omgggg
badcrumble
Member
And I wanna get playable Phantom with glorious modern graphics. Sorry, Berial, you're great and fun to fight, but as far as fire-elemental bosses are concerned, there's you and Agni and then there's DA GAWD PHANTOM.
E_Darkness
Member
This is even better than I'd imagine it to be.
Yaaaaaas.
A secondary Bloody Palace that bought back some of the golden oldies from 1 and 3 would be awesome.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Imagine fighting Credo with Vergil
As you said, the pacing is everything - 1 and 3's reuse of areas was a net positive, creating a sense of progress and exploration; whereas 4's ordered, verbatim repeats of levels and bosses hurt the game enormously, grinding the pace to a halt and becoming actively repetitive. Though obviously those problems are far too large to fix with a rerelease...
If had been aware that development would be cut short from the outset, I wonder what they would have done differently to make the reuse of content more bearable, if anything.
It's never happening, but it'd be amazing. Especially if one floor was a Nero Angelo, Vergil 3 and Credo combination.
Trish and Lady being part of one mode makes it seem like their campaign will be like Nero/Dante, so we might play the Nero missions with Lady (she does have a grappling hook) and the Dante missions with Trish.
Vergil being separate makes it sound like more work went into his. And I'm guessing it will be shorter than 20 missions since it wouldn't make sense for a single character to backtrack like that.
Vergil being separate makes it sound like more work went into his. And I'm guessing it will be shorter than 20 missions since it wouldn't make sense for a single character to backtrack like that.
Stone Ocean
Member
Aren't we supposed to be able to use Lady/Trish in any mission?
Well they do have separate modes apparently (Vergil Mode and Trish/Lady mode). It doesn't sound like you just go to the usual Dante/Nero mission select and pick a character.
Eh... There's backtracking and then there's a mirror mode you HAVE to go through to complete the game, DMC4 probably has the worst implementation I've ever seen in a game.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah, but they're also supposed to get their own opening and ending cinematics, it would be weird to play a campaign with both of them.
Broadbandito
Member
day 1 for sure
True but it's still the same thing though, there are a lot of backtracking missions in DMC3. For example the mission after the Beowulf fight and the mission after the Nevan fight are nothing but a backtrack.
Backtracking is an issue I have with both the games. This is one thing DmC did right and I hope DMC5 follows that example.
But it also wouldn't make sense to play all 20 missions with a single character with how the backtracking is, which is why I think they named it Trish/Lady mode for a reason.
I'm just thinking in line with things that they could do with the least amount of work possible. They could do "worse" than taking the available assets from the HD collection and giving them minor touch-ups to fit an extra mode.
On the other hand, if we stand to get Cursed Vergil as an alt, again, maybe they'd have plenty of reason to remake Angelo again from scratch.
TyrantGuardian
Member
Based Capcpom. Your sins are all but forgiven.
It sounds like they could be identical since it's based on the PC ver with the legendary dark knight mode. I doubt they'd make exclusive effects on one platform and not the other given that the game runs pretty good on old hardwares, assuming that they do add anything.
It's good to not be so quick to forgive. They could turn around and fuck us over at any moment.
...But for now, I will remain hyped.
So DMC5 is a given now, right? Playable Vergil was one thing. But Trish and, for the first time ever, Lady? Don't seem them going that far for a remaster in the latest installment of a series that they have no plans to continue.
Worst case scenario, their plans are tentative and low sales cause Capcom to scrap them a la Darkstalkers. So everybody buy 5 copies just in case.
Worst case scenario, their plans are tentative and low sales cause Capcom to scrap them a la Darkstalkers. So everybody buy 5 copies just in case.
gigantor21
Member
Lord Jesus forgive me, I'm actually going to pre-order something again.
DMC5 by Platinum Games announcement at E3 2015
If true then I'll go insane!!!
The last "DMC Community" thread was ripe with hints because of Dan Southworth (re: Vergil) going on record to saying that he being called in for a "new project that only has a codename" for an interview that took place earlier in March. And that's on top of the hints that a fellow GAFfer, Verendus (sp?) gave months earlier.
Since everything relating to voice work for 4SE can be safely presumed to be well complete by now...it only fans the flames. C8
EDIT:
And this is the correct answer. I love P*, but Itsuno, Neo_G and their team easily have earned their place in the top tier of developers in the genre.
badcrumble
Member
I love what Platinum's doing, but I want to see Itsuno's team keep doing DMC. With DMC3 and DMC4 they've more than earned it.
Furthermore, I can't understand the bizarre attitude of wanting only one developer making character action games. If you actually care about the genre, you should want MORE developers doing it well. I want Itsuno's DMC5 and Platinum to make Bayo3 and MGR2 and Scalebound and for NT's Hellblade to actually be a good entry in the genre (and for Devil's Third to finally come out). Hell, I want to see Cory Barlog figure out how to make God of War have a DMC level of combat quality for the first time ever.
Platinum's a fantastic action game developer but they're not the only ones with talent (and having only one developer sustaining the character action genre is a good way for both the genre and that developer to die a tragic death).
AgentOtaku
Member
aaaaaaand day one. (^____^)
That's a good point. I was just thinking that making changes to the geometry of the levels would be a big deal, but in reality they could either cut segments entirely, or only slightly tune them and it would work.
But hey, even this is more than I was expecting, honestly. I fully expect Trish and Lady to be fully featured and unique. I really don't think they'd include them if they weren't.
I don't think it'd be anywhere near that easy - considering the differing, incompatible engines of the 3 games, the likelihood of source code and original assets being lost over 15 years and the fundamental differences to how combat works for 4, porting even a single enemy would involve nearly every asset being remade. Boss versions of the new playable characters and Nero are already too much to ask for...
Maybe their cinematics occur at the beginning and end of Dante and Nero's sections of the original story, instead of bookending the entire mode?