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Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video Capture
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PotionBleue
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Also I believe Elgato is limited to 1080p 30fps so they wouldn't have been able to do framerate measurements with it.
JoeyJungle
Banned
They mentioned in their analysis that they suspected there was something wrong with their capturing of the Xbone. It's not like they were trying to hide it. They ran it because it was all the footage they had and they had no chance to get more footage because of it being a tightly controlled review event.
DJ12
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Especially when these differences where the sole reason for df choosing 360 over ps3 in most head to heads last time round.
Leadbetter is running the risk of his fanboyism ruining the sites reputation.
th4tguy
Member
Both Xbone and PS4 videos were off. Neither were captured right and that is a problem. The outcome conclusion doesn't matter because it wont change, but the people who want to see the video comparisons are not given an accurate representation of either system because of their error. They are being open about the problem and this is great. Now if they would recapture it and fix the issue, it would be even better.
Of course they cant, it would just reiterate the hate that has been thrown around today. If the 1080p v 720p stuff is true, the cod one will be very interesting.
Maybe because they saw the footage and should be able to tell something wasn't right? C'mon man...
Exactly.
Guys, look how many people actually believed in the Xbox One to be superior just from those pictures. The significance of that text is a microbe compared to sharing pictures/gifs/videos over the web because people want to watch and not read and in this case it worked very well in MS favors.
The only think that, for me, is bad about this is not that there's a mistake on the capture. On a review event, with specific capture hardware it's bound to happen.
It's that the review event was last week, they had the time to edit it, run fps analysis, compare the differences between versions and either didn't notice that the capture was bad, or decided that it wasn't worthy of a mention on the article until they where called for it.
It's that the review event was last week, they had the time to edit it, run fps analysis, compare the differences between versions and either didn't notice that the capture was bad, or decided that it wasn't worthy of a mention on the article until they where called for it.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Yeah. Unless i read wrong, they state they didn't use the Elgatos that were handed out. Jacksfrags and others did.
The Elgato software has a colour balance feature that can be tweaked, and directly affects the resultant output on the screen the console is connected to.
Takamura-San
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I know man. I had nightmares and hot flashes. Very upsetting indeed.
The thing is that they did a proper analysis text wise, but I guess they knew no one would read it anyway, hence all the confusion.
Really unfortunate. This was the one that they could not absolutely mess up. It's impossible this was premeditated, the fallout of this will be most damaging for DF as the nature of their work is technical analysis so their technical reputation is ultimately their support. They should be upfront though in the article about these constraints or even take down the article.
deputyspade
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I do indeed know what you mean!
More tired than surprised, really. But you're right, it's next-gen. Overall it's funny but holy shit at all the RAGE, on either side.
They mentioned that some strange differences could be a capture issue in the article. The rest of it is still valid, and their conclusion (that PS4 version was clearly superior) wouldn't have been different with correct footage.
Mikey Jr.
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gif destroys the image quality, but there you go. Anyone know if there's an ANPG plugin for photoshop?
This is MUCH better. That washed out video was horseshit.
Zekra Dezivad
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WOW
in my opinion they should delete everything and start over, anything based on these video is wrong.
i don't know why they did this on the first comparison between the next generation console, i don't buy the time issue they should have waited and made a proper one.
this is awful comparison, i just feel sorry for dark10x, he is one of my favorites GAF member.
i don't know why they did this on the first comparison between the next generation console, i don't buy the time issue they should have waited and made a proper one.
this is awful comparison, i just feel sorry for dark10x, he is one of my favorites GAF member.
I know, but they still went ahead and posted this stuff... they should (and probably did) know better.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Good.
Every single person on this forum needs to know what crushed blacks are and that they are objectively bad because it results in a loss of image detail.
Every single person on this forum needs to know what crushed blacks are and that they are objectively bad because it results in a loss of image detail.
LiquidSolid
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I'd be fine with writing this off as an honest mistake IF they updated their article and admitted their screw up. Leaving it online unchanged, even though they know their captures are fucked, kills their credibility.
maabus1999
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Did they not use their own capturing device for both consoles? So whats wrong with the comparison? They need to tune it for the PS4 and not the X1, or are both under "tuned?" If both were tested with the same settings, I'm not sure why the outrage? I'm confused by the title of "botching."
JoeyJungle
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They weren't able to record new footage because of it being a review event, and decided not to focus on the color saturation in their analysis because it was suspect. Their analysis and their review match up, and justifies posting their comparison video.
They specifically stated that it was a 'Preview' comparison and not final. It's in the title.
They will be revisiting the games later once they have their own in-house consoles. And, even with the mistake, the comparison is still pretty accurate. Things like the resolution, lack of HBAO etc. were all points they mentioned. And yes, the Xbone version does look surprisingly good for upscaled 720. The upscaler is clearly better than what we had last generation which is a good thing. The PS4 version still came out significantly on top and people agree that the blur does the game a disservice. I don't see the issue with any of their conclusions.
Do people just decide to hate on anything that doesn't 100% back up their preconceptions? The DF f*cked up. ONCE. And it was a totally honest mistake. Their equipment let them do Framerate analysis at the least which other guys could not.
There's no agenda here, no money changing hands, just a simple mistake. I imagine they'll be updating the article with this information at the top before long.
Pseudo judo
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You're talking nonsense. If people are to lazy to read and yet want to join the discussion who's fault is that again?
As for MS benefiting, they benefit anyways. The foreshadowing of complete and utter disaster for Xbone on this forum was so strong that the idea of parity, let alone thoughts of the Xbone version looking better, is a huge win for MS.
MS has one more hurdle to cross with COD: Ghosts. If they can pass that hurdle they can fully refocus on the difference between X1 and PS4 as far as 1st party games go and that's an area where they are more then competitive.
I think that this should be added to the OP.
dark10x specifically said he wasn't a spokesman for DF and therefore there is no admission, basically making the entire thread moot.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87943487&postcount=23
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87937371&postcount=3371
dark10x specifically said he wasn't a spokesman for DF and therefore there is no admission, basically making the entire thread moot.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87943487&postcount=23
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87937371&postcount=3371
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
LOL, this whole situation is such a circus.
But in the text they never mention that the capture wasn't calibrated correctly, and if they analyzed that footage, the analysis wasn't 100% accurate.
They tuned both differently.
FlutterPuffs
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My point was on people completely disregarding the article and going straight to pick up their torches and pitchforks and starting a(nother) Leadbetter witch hunt.
Yes, it worked well in MS favors.
Do I find it unfortunate? Did that pissed me off? No.
Because in any other case it would have been a stupid mistake which is at best, a face palming moment. But no. Some are convinced that Microsoft is paying DF, got caught for doing this, and it was thanks to NeoGAF that such travesty was stopped.
Those guys aren't making a mountain out of a molehill. They are making a mountain out of a grain of sand. Shit like that pisses me off.
crooked spin
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That's... your opinion. A high contrast post-production effect could be applied to mimic the contrasty and cinematic look of film. Not saying that it's appropriate for your average FPS. But it seems like a lot of people learned the term "crushed blacks" last night and are just repeating what someone else told them.
That does not negate the thread at all, he gave us vital piece of information that completely changes the nature of the article.
That's just my understanding of how things went down (as in, it was a special event and DF brought its own capture hardware while everyone else used elgato boxes handed out by reps)
JoeyJungle
Banned
I'm shocked at how angry people are getting about either an article they didn't read or a regular eurogamer feature that they've never read.
Digital Foundry is the gold standard for graphics analysis, and have more than justified themselves with their years of articles. In this "horribly biased, botched" article, they even mentioned multiple times in the article that they thought something was up with their capture kits and told the reader not to focus on what they thought was an error on their part, and didn't let that factor into their analysis.
I'm not seeing what the huge sin is.
Ok, but then another question must be asked. Why all other comparison videos from other sites don't show the same results?
The next thing they need to learn is that artificial, high-frequency post-sharpening/edge-enhancement also results of loss of real detail. Even more so in motion.
I agree that it's possible for some people to think it looks good and prefer it over something like what the video showed of the PS4. Despite the loss of detail.
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