Get ready, boys. It's an SE game so high chance that it doesn't downsample.
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Digital Foundry: "Dragon Quest 11 PS4/ PS4 Pro: JPRG Meets Unreal Engine 4"
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Get ready, boys. It's an SE game so high chance that it doesn't downsample.
ComradeZero
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By the time I ever get a 4k TV, the PS5 will be out lol. Either way, I am really looking forward to playing this. It's breathtaking.
sotojuan
Member
To be fair, making a new DQ means reusing a lot of ideas, sounds, character designs, etc. While the games are different and awesome in their own way, you start making a new DQ game with a lot of assets and ideas. Making a new game from scratch, even with DQ's specs, might take longer.
TheLegendaryN
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900p as expected on the base PS4.
I have no idea how 3072x1728 Checkboarding compares with other UE4 games on PS4 Pro, but considering how demanding UE4 is, I don't think it's a bad result at all.
It'll be interesting to see how well the Switch version will run (assuming it's the PS4 version), both docked and undocked, and at what costs.
I have no idea how 3072x1728 Checkboarding compares with other UE4 games on PS4 Pro, but considering how demanding UE4 is, I don't think it's a bad result at all.
It'll be interesting to see how well the Switch version will run (assuming it's the PS4 version), both docked and undocked, and at what costs.
OK, this is Pro with 1080p forced. It might actually be downsampling as it appears to still be using checkerboard rendering (the same blur in the grass is evident). It's much sharper than base PS4 at least.
I haven't actually seen much footage of the game, but this looks great !
This is a bizarre argument to make as a counterpoint to someone talking about a remake and a third entry in a franchise. It's also basically nonsense.
OK, this is Pro with 1080p forced. It might actually be downsampling as it appears to still be using checkerboard rendering (the same blur in the grass is evident). It's much sharper than base PS4 at least.
I was going to ask about this, because I've been playing the game 100% on my PS4 Pro at both 4K and 1080p and I've noticed that weird blurring that you mentioned only in 4K mode even at 1080p.
Stumpokapow
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... but the same thing is true of Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy, both of which re-use lots of designs from game to game, only making new models for those designs?
ronaldthump
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Holy crap this looks amazing!!!
UpUpDownDown
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OK, this is Pro with 1080p forced. It might actually be downsampling as it appears to still be using checkerboard rendering (the same blur in the grass is evident). It's much sharper than base PS4 at least.
I've been on a self imposed blackout
This is looking fantastic.
Yep, it's a checkerboard thing. The base PS4 does not exhibit the same blurring.
Not the same area but this is base PS4.
...and here's the Pro shot at 1080p again
It doesn't work like this.
SEGAvangelist
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Seems to be happening for more than a few base PS4 games lately.
OK, this is Pro with 1080p forced. It might actually be downsampling as it appears to still be using checkerboard rendering (the same blur in the grass is evident). It's much sharper than base PS4 at least.
But you can't say for sure? Maybe it's full 1080p on HDTVs?
That would be something if it still were just 900p on the Pro using an HDTV, lol.
I can say for sure that it's not 900p. If you set the system to 1080p it does not matter which display you're using.
If you compare the two shots I just posted it's clear that the Pro looks *MUCH* better image quality wise.
Plus, there are checkerboard artefacts when outputting at 1080p so it must be downscaling from 1728p rather than dropping the resolution.
Does the video go into the soul destroying motion blur that gives the entire game a look as if it was consistently ghosting similar to dark areas on the old 3ds?
I think the game looks gorgeous, but just like FFXV & 2.8's frame-pacing, SE's always gotta have that one tiny graphical thing that tries really hard to destroy their image quality. I actually find the motion blur here worse than XV's frame pacing.
Can't tell if it's because the game struggles with performance and motion blur covers it or if it's just an extremely badly implemented motion blur effect. I really hope they patch it, but that's about as likely as patching FFXV's frame pacing.
This is on a Pro at 1080p fwiw.
I think the game looks gorgeous, but just like FFXV & 2.8's frame-pacing, SE's always gotta have that one tiny graphical thing that tries really hard to destroy their image quality. I actually find the motion blur here worse than XV's frame pacing.
Can't tell if it's because the game struggles with performance and motion blur covers it or if it's just an extremely badly implemented motion blur effect. I really hope they patch it, but that's about as likely as patching FFXV's frame pacing.
This is on a Pro at 1080p fwiw.
Apparently, it doesn't do that blurring on a regular PS4. It appears to be an artifact of the checkerboard rendering that's used on PS4 Pro.
Yes, the "motion blur" you're talking about is a side effect of checkerboard rendering - their implementation SUCKS since checkerboarding done well will not exhibit those issues. They just did a poor job on that aspect.
That blur you dislike isn't present on a base PS4 as a result.
So, yeah...that's the story there.
Sorry would you mind explaining it then?
AllBusinessJr
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Makes me to angry to have bought a pro with my 1080p set.
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Interesting... is DQXI's world similar to the scale of DQVIII or is it approached differently?
DQVIII's world is like a 3D version of its predecessors, which is an incredible feat during the PS2 era.
DQVIII's world is like a 3D version of its predecessors, which is an incredible feat during the PS2 era.
Pro games that render above 1080p do not automatically downsample for 1080p displays. The developer has to specifically code in that downsampling, otherwise the game remains at 1080p or lower when played on a 1080p display.
Check my thread I linked where every game listed in there renders higher than 1080p but doesn't downsample when played on a 1080p display.
Thanks. SE keeps messing up little tech things. I mean on one hand the textures in the game blow my mind and feel like Uncharted textured quality in a jrpg and the art direction, character models and animations are incredible. But arghhh I wish SE had better tech people. They went from the top tech in PS1/PS2 days to Crystal Tools and frame pacing and this. They should hire some tech people who know what they're doing.
I kinda wish I still had my base PS4 to try it on that and see if I'd prefer playing it on the base PS4 at 900p instead. Considering cell-shading should upscale nicely to 1080p, I probably would enjoy that version more.
The "they" you're talking about are entirely different people though. SE didn't make this game internally, a third party dev called Orca did. I understand your sentiment, though.
PsihoPerihelion
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This has to be fixable, right? I think I can wait until the West release if they fix this.
Nachtfalke
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Noob question: is it difficult to check if the game downsamples? That piece of information is often missing in the DF videos. I'm wondering why? Just curious.
I hope they will compare it to the 3DS and Switch port later on, when the western release is available.
I hope they will compare it to the 3DS and Switch port later on, when the western release is available.
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Deleted member 471617
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Day One for me when the NA version gets released next year. Can't wait!!! Haven't played a DQ game since VIII on PS2.
Hopefully Sony implements systemwide downsampling in 5.0 so we don't even need to ask anymore.
GhostTrick
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Mmh. LoD seems to be kinda agressive. Any difference between PS4 and Pro ?
Yep, it's a checkerboard thing. The base PS4 does not exhibit the same blurring.
Not the same area but this is base PS4.
...and here's the Pro shot at 1080p again
The game looks amazing.
ShadowFox08
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can't wait for 1080p 30fps locked switch version!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the highest res of any UE4 game released on PS4 Pro so far.
If base PS4 is 900p, how on earth would Switch be 1080p?
Unless it's a port of the 3DS version.
Skittzo0413
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Great video, and god the art on the landscapes and cliffs is really blowing me away for some reason.
Also this video taught me that I really can barely tell the difference between any resolution after you get above 900p. I guess that's a good thing for me, means I don't need a 4k TV anytime soon.
Also this video taught me that I really can barely tell the difference between any resolution after you get above 900p. I guess that's a good thing for me, means I don't need a 4k TV anytime soon.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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OK, this is Pro with 1080p forced. It might actually be downsampling as it appears to still be using checkerboard rendering (the same blur in the grass is evident). It's much sharper than base PS4 at least.
that looks nice
FallenGrace
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The midi sound or lack of voice acting don't concern you Kagari?
It's a real concern for me to be honest. I like the DragonQuest games and don't mind the iconic themes and music but to have a great looking PS4 launch of a new game I really expected remixed music and orchestral recordings.
I'm just not sure I can do it, especially with the pretty decent voice acting in both Heroes 1 & 2....
razgriz417
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Gimme a us release date already >.<
The music really doesn't sound that bad from the streams I have watched. I really don't think they are going to get a better soundtrack until they get a new composer.
FallenGrace
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I may have to watch some more footage then. I watched some of the main character exploring a town and it made my ears bleed XD
Oh I understand some of the songs seem worse then others and you may notice it more then I do but they aren't as distracting to me.
It's so beautiful!
Edit: Really hope the Switch version holds its own!
I think it really depends on which version the they release on the Switch. I think I would prefer to get a better version of the 3DS DQ instead of a downscaled ps4 version. Especially with the street pass features being so good.
If you are looking at 1080p screen (or god forbid tiny cell phone or tablet screen) then of course you will have hard time seeing the difference. Hell quality of panel affect your availability to see the difference because not all 1080 panels are same. If you really want to check if you can see the difference go to Bestbuy or a physical store with properly calibrated TVs side by side.
I am not saying that you won't come to same conclusion because HDR probably makes more difference for average person than 4K, but I would also advise against judging 4K TVs by looking at picture on a 1080p set.
But the problem isn't with the compositions, it's with the sound quality. I mean, if your problem is with the compositions then you aren't talking about the same issue that other people are. This is honestly an issue that has only seemed to crop up recently, I'm not sure why Sugiyama suddenly cares so much about ticket sales that he'd compromise the quality of a game soundtrack. Maybe he's running out of money.