StrongBlackVine
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Who is really asking for that? I'm not seeing it. I want the CPU upgrade and a moderate upclock on GPU. That is not something out of the realm of possibility.
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Digital Foundry: Neo GPU are point-for-point a match for RX 480
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Who is really asking for that? I'm not seeing it. I want the CPU upgrade and a moderate upclock on GPU. That is not something out of the realm of possibility.
StrongBlackVine
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Pretty much. No one will stay on top on long with these iterative models.
serversurfer
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Actually, Sony told devs that what they sent out was just a baseline specification, and was the minimum performance they would be able to expect. The original PS4 dev kit actually had a stand-in CPU itself (rather than Jaguar), and as far as last minute changes go, even some of Sony's first parties were surprised when they announced 8GB. So like Jim Ryan just said, maybe wait until Sony actually announce before you start debating Neo's merits and making comparisons to Microsoft's roadmap.
$399 would make PS4 seem less desirable by comparison, which Sony have said multiple times they want to avoid. Neo is not meant to displace PS4. House says he wants them side by side, with the price point of Neo reflecting that it's a premium experience. Shu refers to Neo as, "High-End PS4." I'd exoect some fairly significant product differentiation here.
wesleyshark
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Definitely... if you'd be okay with your PS4K basically frying itself lol
Last_colossi
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Actually, Sony told devs that what they sent out was just a baseline specification, and was the minimum performance they would be able to expect. The original PS4 dev kit actually had a stand-in CPU itself (rather than Jaguar), and as far as last minute changes go, even some of Sony's first parties were surprised when they announced 8GB. So like Jim Ryan just said, maybe wait until Sony actually announce before you start debating Neo's merits and making comparisons to Microsoft's roadmap.
$399 would make PS4 seem less desirable by comparison, which Sony have said multiple times they want to avoid. Neo is not meant to displace PS4. House says he wants them side by side, with the price point of Neo reflecting that it's a premium experience. Shu refers to Neo as, "High-End PS4." Expect some fairly significant product differentiation here.
If Sony drops the price of the current PS4 down to $249-$299 then I think $150-$100 is well and truly enough of a price differentiation, especially considering that if the Neo is actually using an RX 480 equivalent then the GPU won't be costing Sony much at all.
StrongBlackVine
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$100 isn't enough differentiation and the base PS4 is not going down to $250.
R10Neymarfan
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Me too. You would be able to get a unlocked Skylake i5 with an RX 480 at that price
Does this put vanilla PS4 $299 in an odd spot?
StrongBlackVine
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Very much so.
Hawk269
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The Xbox One GPU had a 53mhz over clock from its original 800mhz clock. Nothing earth shattering. While Sony can oc as well, thermal then becomes the issue. They only have so.much headroom for thermals.
StrongBlackVine
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Could that run most games maxed at 1080/60fps?
This is what I expect. $499 Neo and $299 OG model this Fall.
Apparition
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The latest leaks put the RX 480 at 32 ROPs so slightly different from PS4 Neo (36 ROPs)
(Source)
flops = ROPs x TMUs x Clock Speed
= 32 x 144 x 1.266
= 5.83tf
Yeah, if you run it at 910-1MHz, that would be 4.2tf. However, seeing how the PS4 Neo have 36 ROPS, it would take 128 TMUs to have it run at 4.2tf (36x128x0.911).
So in the end, it seems closer to the older designs but perhaps a mix of both old and new.
(Source)
flops = ROPs x TMUs x Clock Speed
= 32 x 144 x 1.266
= 5.83tf
Yeah, if you run it at 910-1MHz, that would be 4.2tf. However, seeing how the PS4 Neo have 36 ROPS, it would take 128 TMUs to have it run at 4.2tf (36x128x0.911).
So in the end, it seems closer to the older designs but perhaps a mix of both old and new.
Pai Pai Master
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StrongBlackVine
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$549 would be bold, but with base PS4 still selling like hotcakes it won't be a big of deal. I expect $499 and it will run most games at 1080p/60fps including open world games.
CrimsonGun
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Hey random question but is your avi Michael Jackson?
GhostTrick
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The latest leaks put the RX 480 at 32 ROPs so slightly different from PS4 Neo (36 ROPs)
(Source)
flops = ROPs x TMUs x Clock Speed
= 32 x 144 x 1.266
= 5.83tf
Yeah, if you run it at 910-1MHz, that would be 4.2tf. However, seeing how the PS4 Neo have 36 ROPS, it would take 128 TMUs to have it run at 4.2tf (36x128x0.911).
So in the end, it seems closer to the older designs but perhaps a mix of both old and new.
No, you're mixing everything. PS4 Neo is rumoured to have 36CU. Not 36 ROPs. I think AMD GPUs have an even numbers of ROP, based on the following: 4, 8, 16, 32, 64.
StrongBlackVine
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LOL nope that is Bjork from the cover art of her debut solo album Debut.
Apparition
Member
I see. My bad. Thanks for the correction!
I have been reading stuff all wrong today. I should get some break and a good meal. Cheers!
CrimsonGun
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Oh, lol my mistake. Cool picture.
serversurfer
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Last_colossi
Member
Why not? The current PS4 is almost 3 year old hardware and every year since launch it would be costing Sony less and less to manufacture. Take AMD's new Polaris line up for example, the RX 460 will most likely cost $99 and be as fast as a R7 370 which can output 1.89 TFLOPS, that's almost exactly the power of the current PS4, now keep in mind that the RX 460 will most likely cost $99 retail, Sony will be buying those GPU's (which will be included in the SOC APU's) for a fraction of that cost.
I am pretty confident that Sony will be able to manufacture the current PS4 spec wise (wether that means a more cost affective slim model or not remains to be seen) for under $249 either around the time of the Neo launch or early next year.
StrongBlackVine
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No problem. I guess it does kind of resemble his "Scream" music video.
StrongBlackVine
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Just because they can manufacture from below that doesn't mean they will sell for $50 less. I could see $249 as a possible holiday deal, but not a permanent price drop.
I would be totally fine with an external PSU for this. Sony is pretty stubborn about internal PSUs but I think it would be good for thermals.OG PS3 had a 380W supply
Yes, of course it was internal.
They can have 48 IIRC.
Same.
Naughty Doge maxing out a Neo will have more visual punch than what my decent PC can churn out.
Last_colossi
Member
True, I can imagine Sony would drop the price during the holidays and then maybe raise it little after to about, say $279 until they release a slim model or the manufacturing cost drops below the threshold for that $249 price.
Apparition
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What are the chances PS4 Neo and PS4 Slim launch together?
StrongBlackVine
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Zero. They already have two launches planned for this Fall.
SRTtoZ
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The rational part of my brain is telling me it will be mid 4 TF, but I'm really hoping for > 5. The CPU also needs to not be a bottleneck of any kind. Oh and the marketing needs to be right. Tell people they can expect the best performance and fidelity at 1080p with high framerates and max settings etc. Don't try to pull the 4k buzzword out because it will turn off the majority of people who own 1080p monitors and TV's. I'm also hoping for a slightly different look, maybe even a slight increase in size for a cooler, silenter PS4+. Wishful thinking maybe ?
Apparition
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Any reasons for that?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
No it is very much so possible. I'm cautiously expecting something approaching 5TF with a "Zen lite" CPU.
StrongBlackVine
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That would be 3 product launches at once. Too much...
Last_colossi
Member
Probably and I'm pretty sure we would have at least heard or seen some leaked information about a slim model releasing so soon.
I still think Sony will release a cheaper (it may not be "slim" but just cheaper and the same size) PS4 soon, but most likely early next year as they'll want to get rid of their current PS4 inventory in the mean time.
Apparition
Member
If the architecture is indeed the same as the RX 480 then they need to run the GPU at 1.1GHz to achieve that; a 20% increase over the current rumored specs. While it is doable, they might have to use more sophisticated cooling which will increase their costs. Thermals might also prove to be an issue. Too early to tell.
Yeah, it might also make the customers confused.
Sony's not invincible. They're the leader now but
they can't just do whatever and "still be the hero"
The latest leaks put the RX 480 at 32 ROPs so slightly different from PS4 Neo (36 ROPs)
(Source)
flops = ROPs x TMUs x Clock Speed
= 32 x 144 x 1.266
= 5.83tf
Yeah, if you run it at 910-1MHz, that would be 4.2tf. However, seeing how the PS4 Neo have 36 ROPS, it would take 128 TMUs to have it run at 4.2tf (36x128x0.911).
So in the end, it seems closer to the older designs but perhaps a mix of both old and new.
Whatcha talkin' bout Willis?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
As long as the base PS4 is cheap they have a lot of leeway compared to a new generation.
I'm very interested in what price point Neo and Scorpio target. Will set the precedent for this whole shift to an iterative console cycle.
My guess is $499 as well.
serversurfer
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B for Best, eh?
piccio_ssl
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599=DOA
HughJanuss
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Sony just need to upclock the GPU from 911MHz to 1075MHz (totaly possible) and we have a 5tf PS4K.
Will they do it? I dont think so.
Will they do it? I dont think so.
Premium sku. It would be fine.
Seriously? $100 isn't much of a difference. Now it would be $250 vs $599. Huge difference.
SRTtoZ
Member
I hope so.