I'll beat him.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Driveclub weather update out NOW. laawwwwwd.gif
- Thread starter Loudninja
- Start date
I'll beat him.
Lol good luck. It's doable since I was faster in the first section by 600ms ( unless he made a new record )
If you are talking about the India Challenge, I was 1.02 up after the 1st sector. What's your PSN tag btw?
PSN id is : Meruni
Cheers dude.
ricen-beans
Member
But they never go faster than physically possible. Which means if you're going as fast as your car can go also, the AI will NEVER catch you. If u make a mistake tho, they'll start closing the gap.
Rubber banding was present in all motorstorm games. I know I played them all. But it's not present in Drive Club.
How could someone tell the difference? I always felt that this game had rubber-banding AI... when I do terrible / crash / etc, it's easy to catch up. Yet when I am in first, they are always on my ass. While all the time the entire group of AI cars are stuck together. It felt like nothing other than Rubberband. This concept of "dynamic AI" feels no different.
I guess my real question is, what is Rubberband AI then?
It's basically real-time dynamic AI adjustment.
there is nothing wrong with the AI... it dinamically change to reflect player skills.
If you are a sh!t-driver the AIs car slow down, this way you are able to "compete" with other cars.
The same if you are pro-driver... the AI is more aggressive, so you can enjoy "competition".
Of course, the cars never exceed max speed / throttle etc paramenters.
If you are a sh!t-driver the AIs car slow down, this way you are able to "compete" with other cars.
The same if you are pro-driver... the AI is more aggressive, so you can enjoy "competition".
Of course, the cars never exceed max speed / throttle etc paramenters.
The difference between dynamic AI and rubberbanding is:
Without rubberbanding, if the top speed of a car is 100 mph, and you are 5 seconds ahead of the second place car and manage to stay at 100 mph for the rest of the race, the second place car will never get within 5 seconds of you. (not taking slipstreaming into account, which is a different issue).
With rubberbanding, the second place car will somehow break the laws of the in-game physics and start catching up with you.
It's a dynamic AI because if you're driving at 75 mph, the first place car may slow down to 80 mph or whatever to keep the race somewhat competitive. The fact that the AI gives you a handicap when you suck does not make it rubberbanding when it speeds up and goes full throttle when you are capable of challenging it.
Without rubberbanding, if the top speed of a car is 100 mph, and you are 5 seconds ahead of the second place car and manage to stay at 100 mph for the rest of the race, the second place car will never get within 5 seconds of you. (not taking slipstreaming into account, which is a different issue).
With rubberbanding, the second place car will somehow break the laws of the in-game physics and start catching up with you.
It's a dynamic AI because if you're driving at 75 mph, the first place car may slow down to 80 mph or whatever to keep the race somewhat competitive. The fact that the AI gives you a handicap when you suck does not make it rubberbanding when it speeds up and goes full throttle when you are capable of challenging it.
I think Dynamic AI is fitting. I noticed when Im trying to get certain event stars and just let the AI ahead of me, when I do catch up to then they are all just cruising slowly, on rails and not racing, basically "Off". The moment I start passing them they "turn back on". When Im racing with them on a course Im not familiar with, I notice they make a lot of the same mistakes I make like poor braking, lines etc.... When Im racing on a familiar track, they race far more competitively with fewer mistakes. That all said, I havent felt anything like what Ive experienced in Motorstorm. I can easily build up a comfortable lead and when I get passed, I know I it is because I messed up my line. My only issue is the bumping. However this game is far from the worst offender.
That's a good question and it seems like people have different way of seeing it. Personally, when I hear rubberband, I think of AI defying the law of physics, hence why I don't feel like DC has it. If slowing down so that you can catch up is rubberband, then so be it. According to Rushy this kick in when you are too far in the back, but if you play normally, then it doesn't happen. From there you capitalise from the mistake of the AI, mainly, they brake too much in corners.
People complain that AI hasn't evolved in games, but let's face it, the simplest AI possible would smoke any human racer, and without cheating. I'm not sure that's what gamers want.
Exactly... this is what happen in GTA for example.. you can have the fastest car in game, but the police is always able to chase you.
Rubberband ai is when the cars go beyond their actual speeds to catch up to you.
In driveclub, they don't do this. Instead, if your in front, they run perfectly and get a shit ton of slipstream. But the ai is not constant; if your in the back, they are far more prone to make a mistake and will run slower. An easy test of this is to run a race perfectly, jot down your time and the ai Times, then run that exact same race again, but don't start until you've waited at the start like for five seconds, then run it perfectly. You'll see what I mean when you get your results.
And for anyone who would like to say I suck or what have you, you can friend me anytime and get embarrassed.
Neuromancer
Member
No but I wish they would.
A tenth off him.....
But they don't go faster than the specific car's speed limit. If they did, then you could say there is rubberbanding. If you are terrible at taking corners when you're in the lead, the AI will catch up to you and you deserve it for being terrible.
Hard at work already I seeTo think that you were already 20ms ahead of me lol.
Its exhilarating mate, no other words needed. I have stopped now though...Need to finish some of the tour modes before i do any other challenges.
Is it out?
dano1
A Sheep
And this is exactly how Rushy explained it in one of his interviews.
SerTapTap
Member
I actually prefer this "one way only rubberbanding". Once you're good enough to beat the AI you're focused on times and clean driving instead of the AI randomly fucking you over a la Mario Kart.
It was known you only get few cars, a single country's tracks, and I'm not sure if it was known, but I noticed all "tours" (the solo campaign basically) are considered "DLC" for owning the full, not plus version. PS+ version is definitely a test drive, though technically you can still get the platinum if you don't mind doing a very large number of races on a very small number of tracks and cars.
Dynamic AI is the perfect description. If you are ahead of the pack they will drive more competently (braking later, taking turns better, etc) and if you are in last they will drive worse (braking early, going slower through turns, etc). It's like they are on a dynamic slider from easy to professional based on your position.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Seriously. This has become OT 2.5, only not friendly and where people argue a lot.
They're not going much faster (they can only go as fast as you can go), they're driving better by taking the best cornering lines to come out of the turn with higher speed whereas you probably took the corner too slow. You'll notice the same thing by racing against a good driver online. If you know the track and take the best corners then you can be in the lead without ever seeing them behind you by the time you reach the finish line. Here's an example of one of the more difficult races with the Atom in the single player tour event. There is no rubberbanding, AI cars don't have a magic speed boost or warping ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLMOVTb7he0
It's the complete opposite of the warping rubberbanding cars in the Crew.
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9F9C...4528_3fc7f5da86e.1.1.16706717220412196607.mp4
SerTapTap
Member
Shhhh I was enjoying this staying out of the OT.
BTW here's a photomode shot I grabbed last night, sorry for twitter compression, I don't have the raw image right now
AstroNut325
Member
I'm probably going to piss off a few people...but I would like motorcycles. Or at least a motorcycle racing game with this engine from Evo.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Funny enough, playing Driveclub made me miss PGR4 and its mix of cars and bikes.
To be fair, DriveClub has about four unoficial OTs. I never know which one I'm supposed to use.
Funilly enough, the official one is the least used.
Yeah the official one seems the most boring in comparison. Which is strange in quite a number of ways.
Canis lupus
Member
You wat?!
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
So rubberbanding, then.
So lack of comprehension skills, then.
Rubberbanding is when not only does the ai slow down when you do poorly, it also has the ability to push the ai cars faster than should be realistically possible in order to catch you.
driveclub ai never allows the car to go faster than the cars top speed.
I've played countless hours of this game and it seems to me the ai slows down and makes mistakes when you fall behind to allow you to catch the pack and not feel like you just wasted your time because you screwed up one corner.
I've never felt cheated when I was in the lead and didn't panic and screw up.
why did I type all this in response to an idiot drive by post lol.
josecitoxnyo
Member
wrong thread lol
vpance
Member
If you think of the cars as zombies, it will become more clear.
You in front = aggro rage mode
You behind = grazing
So rubberbanding zombies, then
Chris Metal
Member
What the actual fuck? That's not even rubberbanding. The car just teleports.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I just got my copy, haven't even unwrapped it yet, and I can already see an example of how much of a mess this game was at launch.
"Race in hundreds of online & offline players"
Race in them? Is that anything like getting road head?
"Race in hundreds of online & offline players"
Race in them? Is that anything like getting road head?
Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it crazy.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
So I've got a lot of learning to do as I'm more of an arcadey racer guy (full throttle, lifting to drift etc). What are the best ways to take these corners without skidding out? I see the AI slowing down from top speeds without losing maneuverability. I do as soon as I let off the gas...