Wait, is this confirmed that there are no playable females or female party members at all? I thought the thing was we've only seen dudes so far. Am I mixed up?
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Famitsu interview with Tabata details Final Fantasy XV's battle system and more
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Wait, is this confirmed that there are no playable females or female party members at all? I thought the thing was we've only seen dudes so far. Am I mixed up?
I know a lot of people were turned off by the battle system and the clothing aspect, but whatever I loved it. Hoping this is a curve ball and they just join late in the game.
Nah, those are usually awesome. I did'nt like Kimahri's development through the grid though. Those types of characters need to stand out.
That can't be right.
That would mean the fabled adamantoise fight would amount to holding X for 15 hours.
Wishmaster92
Member
No please no, Square.
They've been insisting for a while the party is men only. Presumably there's a reason for that, but it's probably not a good one, since it never is anywhere else.
I think simplified is a perfectly appropriate translation. No one is saying the game will be "super easy", but rather that they're making the controls easier to -use-. They're talking about controls here, not difficulty or game challenge. Streamlined is fine too. But like I said before, I don't think people are worried the game will be too easy, but rather that it's just not what they expected it to be.
In the three Japanese interviews (Famitsu, 4Gamer, Dengeki) I've read today, and the two English ones (Game Informer, Kotaku), Tabata takes pains to express that he wants the action in the combat to be free flowing, and he also points out that there will be strategic mechanics involved in setting put party behavior and your weapon deck and abilities to influence the flow of battles. This seems to have resulted in a lot of automation and "streamlining" like you said. I think it's understandable why people who have followed the early development of Versus is worried about this.
Personally I agree that it's too early to make judgements on whether it "sucks" or whatever, since none of us have played it. It could very well end up as a very fun battle system on it's own merits, but that would require approaching it with an open mind. Some people aren't very capable of that right now because they have waited 8 years for the "Kingdom Hearts" FF game!
kuroneko0509
Member
Confirmed as there's a bit from the interviews said only male in the party
MissDeviling
Member
It literally sounds like... the only button inputs you'll be doing are hold attack... hold defend...go back to attack. All you need to think about is timing? Weapon switching is auto selected, assists are auto, evade/attack do their own thing when held down... I hated FF12's system because I did essentially nothing in battle when I programmed my characters properly. This sounds just as bad.
Apparently yeah. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131116313&postcount=335
Edit: Just saw that Kagari mentioned it in this thread as well.
People aren't asking for a female lead(though it would be fantastic if there was one) but for female party members. We haven't ever had a FF game without them. In a world where female representation was better, I would probably not think this is a big deal but when the series has been so good with their female characters it's really shitty to see this all male party.
And anyway, this also ignores the fact that FF has mainly had male leads already.
Nightengale
Member
There's only one reason needed for stuff like this.
"My story,my characters,my intent."
orthodoxy1095
Banned
An all male party can be done well, just like an all female party can be done well. The issue here is that there doesn't seem to be any rationale for it. It fit X-2 to have an all female party. What about XV lends itself to being all male?
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_/¯I sure don't know. But then again, we don't know really know anything about this game.
Someone else has said this, and I don't understand how exactly.
FFXV's battle system can't be as bad as WKC. It just can't.
The Western audience complaining about Lightning and the focus being on her could be a justification, a really poor one at that.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Honestly, I like how all of that sounds. I have faith in Tabata.
An all male party can be done well, just like an all female party can be done well. The issue here is that there doesn't seem to be any rationale for it. It fit X-2 to have an all female party. What about XV lends itself to being all male?
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I sure don't know. But then again, we don't know really know anything about this game.
Someone else has said this, and I don't understand how exactly.
Didn't they the story was focusing on a journey and friendship? I mean that could easily fit together in a sort of boy and his friends coming of age story.
Oh my god, I hated that game.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Maybe if you're writing a book for yourself.
That would be a bad thing.
In KH CoM you build a Deck around the different Keyblades.
Maybe I'm dense, but how are you getting CoM vibes? That game actually had a pretty neat battle system. The way this is described makes it sound like everything is automated with hardly any input from the player.
I'm making the OT for the demo. The meltdowns in that thread are going to be of epic proportions
The strategy of building your deck before battles and then your "weapons" being part of a shuffled deck sounds like what they're talking about with the AI and weapons.
I've added parts to my post before that explains more on why this is possibly a good thing.
I think I'll wait for the demo before giving judgement. Could be better then what it sounds and/or there is stuff we still don't know about.
If it does end up being bad then hopefully the negative feedback causes SE to make changes.
So far the biggest disappointment for me is no female/other party members.
If it does end up being bad then hopefully the negative feedback causes SE to make changes.
So far the biggest disappointment for me is no female/other party members.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Holding X doesn't bother me as much as no more other playable party members. That really stings. Disappointed so bloody much.
I don't like the talk about streamlining (this is worst term to use in the world of gaming, a taboo), and the possibility where the only way to pull off combo is holding, andmanual button presses wouldn't work. Real-time manual weapon switching is gone too? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat.......
And Tabata still hasn't clarify how the defensive stance works. And too many context-sensitive moves. God.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Yes, I get the deck thing, but for whatever reason, this sounds a whole lot more automated to me. Maybe it isn't. I dunno.
Ugh, everything about this is disappointing. Flash over substance.
Sounds like FF13 >_>
Everything I've seen from TGS about this game has deflated my hype. I wasn't happy about the seemingly bland open world they settled on, by comparison to the lush world from the few Versus XIII video and screens we had. Now combat sounds like it's been simplified to the point of being non-existent, and while I'll reserve my judgement of the gameplay for the demo, I'm not even looking forward to it at this point. I'm sad about this turn of events considering I spent a lot of time drooling over this game and chomping at the bit for information (like many others have).
This was how I expected the game to play, almost to a tee. This is the XV that I would have wanted
Blood Diamonds
Banned
So from what I understand:
Noctis has different weapons that he pulls out of thin air. Before a battle or during a battle you can open up a menu and change the order of his weapons. By changing the order of his weapons you can open up a new string of combos by pressing X, the game decides which weapons he uses. So maybe if you're far from an enemy he uses a spear to close in and then uses his sword or whatever. Basically, the order in which you put his weapons in changes what might happen when you hold down X.
Noctis has different weapons that he pulls out of thin air. Before a battle or during a battle you can open up a menu and change the order of his weapons. By changing the order of his weapons you can open up a new string of combos by pressing X, the game decides which weapons he uses. So maybe if you're far from an enemy he uses a spear to close in and then uses his sword or whatever. Basically, the order in which you put his weapons in changes what might happen when you hold down X.
They announced this game so long ago and close to XIII, I actually don't think they'd trot that out as an excuse. I don't think they'd be that low or at least I hope.
Altered Juice
Member
Fucking dammit, Square. Holy shit fucking wowbags.
Personally I agree that it's too early to make judgements on whether it "sucks" or whatever, since none of us have played it. It could very well end up as a very fun battle system on it's own merits, but that would require approaching it with an open mind. Some people aren't very capable of that right now because they have waited 8 years for the "Kingdom Hearts" FF game!
The wait is over, the game is dead, that much is obvious now. I guess I was just hoping to god that XV would keep as much of Versus as possible, now I'm just pissed because the reality of Versus being canceled is finally hitting me, its gone.
By the time the demo comes I'm sure I'll be more accepting when I get to play it.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
As I said above as an example, the all female cast in X-2 worked because it fit the vision of the game. We don't really know what the "original vision" of this game is, so it's perfectly reasonable to ask why female characters (or any other characters) weren't a part of that vision. What for crying out loud IS the vision of this game?
At this point it sounds like a watered down ARPG with a bro-subplot and no character variety. Whoopie. What a vision.
This thread is kind of interesting for me...
As someone who's been a FF15 pessimist (the environments I saw, the open world idea travelling with a car, Noctis's personality, the lack of any vibrant bright colors), the battle system is one thing I'm not worried about lol.
I don't think I've ever not liked a FF battle system. Even 12 which I disliked until I actually played it. So that's the one thing I have complete confidence in.
As someone who's been a FF15 pessimist (the environments I saw, the open world idea travelling with a car, Noctis's personality, the lack of any vibrant bright colors), the battle system is one thing I'm not worried about lol.
I don't think I've ever not liked a FF battle system. Even 12 which I disliked until I actually played it. So that's the one thing I have complete confidence in.
Isn't it obvious? The story follows the prince and his bodyguards/friends.
MissDeviling
Member
Apparently guy friends hanging out together doesn't make sense to a lot of people.
If their original vision is the incredibly overused trope of male friendship shounen bullshit than yes, force females into the picture immediately.
I'm still going to withhold judgement about the battle system and everything else until I actually see more or get my hands on the game but I'll always be disappointed by the lack of female party members. If this were still Versus, I wouldn't mind as much but have it a numbered mainline just makes things worse. :/
I really would've liked females to be in but Nomura already said ages ago it's about brotherhood so it'd be hard for them to be playable with Noctis, so I was kind of expecting it.