Although Sony practically had a monopoly with the PS2 and people praise it as the best console of all time.
Because at that time it had competition. Add few more years without competition and PS3 happened 599$
Although Sony practically had a monopoly with the PS2 and people praise it as the best console of all time.
I think people are needlessly worrying about stuff they have no control over. We're customers. It's not our jobs to worry about these things. And if it is a mess, we can just return the system.
I don't get the crazy concern. We're not MS employees or stockholders--I speak for myself here.
why are people melting down over some dude on here wanting a product to fail?
EXACTLY!
Competition is the best thing about capitalism. It has companies fighting for the consumer. MS forgot to do that and Sony gave them a swift reminder. Current gen in the beginning it was reversed.
Competition is the life blood of the console industry. We need it. Without it gaming is doooooooooomedbender.gif
For which game? COD?
Definitely. This whole launch was kind of eye opening to the jounalist side of gaming. Or lack there of. Thiss goes deeper then the xbox and ps4 developmentIf the xbox one crashes and burn do you think journalist are gonna blame gamers for being entitled to waiting them to take out the drm and therefore ruining their special butterfly?
Why are you under the impression I'm melting down?
This is the same forum in which members ache for the death of mobile gaming.
I also wouldn't completely discount what's likely to happen on the "microconsole" front over the next couple of years.There are probably a fair few people who would be happy for MS to drop out of the console game if it meant Valve's Steambox were to replace it. Between a Wii-U, a PS4 and a Steambox, there's a hell of a lot more variety in that combo than there is in having "HD twins" than there is currently.
Then Sony would eventually do the same thing. I am not advocating MS dominate the gaming world (In fact 100% the opposite.) I don't want any company to dominate. I want to see both of these companies go to all out war with each other for the consumer.
are you melting down on me?lol yeah, right, everyone on GAF aches for the death of mobile gaming.
Please
I was making fun of continued use of the word meltdown
War of Tanks, all these current issues. 720p, deals not to mention other platforms (dedicated servers with COD), yield issues (shortly after the Tier 1 launch countries were halved), the Xbox 360's detailed specs, the new SDK having problems and less performance way before anyone uttered anything about launch issues and much more. But keep trying.
I agree. I don't like these sweeping generalizations. Also Jschreier, mad respect to you the last few days. Definitely be keeping a closer eye on you.
I don't care if MS fails, but the sheer disaster of recent Xbone news makes it impossible for me to feel and schadenfreude as regards Xbox fans.
Why are you melting down because other people are melting down about other people melting down?
What are we melting down to guys?
I am an Xbox fan, even though I'm buying a PS4 first. But I do want to see some of the insulting fanboys at the Xbox One reddit eat crow.
That said, I like it in general when rude people eat crow. Always good times.
How many members of the games press can you even name? Don't group hundreds of reporters into the same category based on a few people's tweets.
Swiftdeath is the Lionel Mandrake of gaming side, I approve. Thanks for the link btw.
Lol yessss.
I respect him for coming here and actually posting instead of shit talking from twitter. I look at you Gies and Kuchera.
No, he didn't! Jack Frags didn't say anything afterwards.That's just one part of that conversation, he added later that nothing is known.
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@jackfrags @preston647 no he is trolling , he just tweeted jack 7 mins before this tweet asking which was better ? So he has no clue
This is where we disagree.
If MS were to ultimately fail and leave the business, the market is too large and someone else would fill the void. Sony would not be left in the business alone, someone else would compete.
I'm all for competition. I'm also a believer in the survival of the fittest, especially in markets. As it stands, MS needs to change their focus or they'll wind up getting rolled this generation.
Well well. I don't remember the last gen war being so interesting. This only help me to not purchase all three console.Off topic I am also planning to switch from my lovely lumia 520 to an high end IOS /Android phone too since the xbox division treat gaming on the phone like a bastard child and not releasing completed games and keep removing games from the marketplace , not to mention years late ports if there are any ports.
I agree with the competition part, but not th capitalism bit - the endgame of capitalism is monopoly, which is why we have so many laws that try to prevent that from happening.
Still, an absolute Xbox fail wouldn't be a good thing. A kick in the teeth to knock lose some hubris ... That I'm ok with.
They are terrible on reddit. They yelled at me for canceling my preorder and waiting until this whole launch mess blows over.
The issue is quite the opposite. The problem with the PS3 is that Sony was trying to use it to compete on multiple fronts, just like MS is trying to do with the XBO. They both lost focus and couldn't as effectively manage the broadened scope of competition they went after.Because at that time it had competition. Add few more years without competition and PS3 happened 599$
I am an Xbox fan, even though I'm buying a PS4 first. But I do want to see some of the insulting fanboys at the Xbox One reddit eat crow.
That said, I like it in general when rude people eat crow. Always good times.
This is where we disagree.
If MS were to ultimately fail and leave the business, the market is too large and someone else would fill the void. Sony would not be left in the business alone, someone else would compete.
I'm all for competition. I'm also a believer in the survival of the fittest, especially in markets. As it stands, MS needs to change their focus or they'll wind up getting rolled this generation.
Well of course they did.
I just stopped going there personally, not worth it.
I wasnt on here for the last gen war pre-launch... I imagine it was the opposite of this time around.. PS3 and Sony getting shredded to bits?
why are people melting down over some dude on here wanting a product to fail?
I'd imagine a lot of those 'fans' are actually shills. If here at GAF we've had 'landslide' numbers of shills being banned, a site where we have an approval system in place, it wouldn't surprise me if the number of shills posting at an open forum like Reddit numbered far greater.
MS has changed their focus though (For now). They got rid of DRM. They responded to consumer backlash, and Sony's competition and have responded accordingly.
Not defending them by any stretch, but they are essentially doing exactly what they need to do to stay competitive.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard here. Actually wanting a console to fail. THOUSANDS of jobs at stake, and a product that some people enjoy. Frankly I wouldn't play games any where near as much if Halo wasn't a thing.
If you don't want it don't buy it, but don't wish for it to fail. So stupid.
I bet you desperately wanted Steam to fail too?
I was lurking then so not sure if i remember right, mostly PS3 have no games after launch and some Nintendo are going 3rd party / to fail wth the wii ( and DS (lol 2 screen , touch screen). I remember people warming up to xbox360 or maybe its just me since i was brought after MS announced a shit lot of Wrpg and JRPG.I wasnt on here for the last gen war pre-launch... I imagine it was the opposite of this time around.. PS3 and Sony getting shredded to bits?
Unless Sony or MS eff up in such a way that they can't fix issues period then I don't see what the big deal is. I didn't expect either console to work perfectly day 1.
I wasnt on here for the last gen war pre-launch... I imagine it was the opposite of this time around.. PS3 and Sony getting shredded to bits?
About 20-30. Maybe more but definitely can name about 25-ish.How many members of the games press can you even name? Don't group hundreds of reporters into the same category based on a few people's tweets.
Why are you melting down because other people are melting down about other people melting down?
What are we melting down to guys?
Some people are frustrated that MS has not directly responded to the rumors. Honestly, I dont think they can. At this point, the waters are WAY too hostile to get into. I work for a small regional wireless carrier. Anytime we try to respond to an issue public, we get shat upon. Social media and forums are a very hard place to address the public.
I am not saying I DO know how MS should respond. I have no idea what they can do to dispel any of the rumors or negative thoughts right now.
Can we name all the crickets making noise in the absolute silence of the games press as regards these really big problems?How many members of the games press can you even name? Don't group hundreds of reporters into the same category based on a few people's tweets.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard here. Actually wanting a console to fail. THOUSANDS of jobs at stake, and a product that some people enjoy. Frankly I wouldn't play games any where near as much if Halo wasn't a thing.
If you don't want it don't buy it, but don't wish for it to fail. So stupid.
I bet you desperately wanted Steam to fail too?
Edit: If either Sony or MS were to fail that would leave the other with damn near a monopoly. That is the LAST thing we want.