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Female only gaming event cancelled following online harassment
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Vicetrailia
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Maybe I'll start a youtube channel to start oppressing the alt-right. I mean I rather do something productive with my time, but if they're doing things like this, well hell, oppressing them is productive for everyone else.
What is the definition of Harassment here. If you count all the 12 year olds who think its cool to tell me that they humped my mom because they lost in smash bros then its not fair. We are never going to change that most children cannot control themselves or dont know what is right and what is wrong.
clearestblue
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Bobo Dakes
Member
What the fuck are you talking about? Not counting those 12 year olds, my point still stands.
Can't have that, men have to included in everything ever
Can I include them in my bunco group?
why are you so intent on insisting that all harassment comes from children? you're not a fucking woman, and you obviously don't know any that play games so you don't know shit about what women experience, especially in games. you should probably be doing more listening than talking.
Icedburden
Member
It's seemingly built into people now to care what anyone thinks of them. Why in the hell anyone care if someone calls them a derogatory term on the internet? Those people will never meet them, they don't put food on the table and are generally pathetic individuals. Why should their words matter if they don't contribute in any way to our lives?
If no one else on here has the mentality of 'fuck 'em, they don't know me', then I truly worry for the future of this world.
Strawman if I ever saw one. No, clearly harassment doesn't include kids on Xbox Live, though that is a very telling sign of how deeply ingrained sexism is in the culture.
This is a very simple but good starting point. You can see that sexism doesn't limit itself to "yo mama" jokes.
How the fuck else is it supposed to get fixed????
"You give all the non-murderers the burden of murderers?"
We're talking about grown ass men who threatened to "dress up like trannies to get in, thatll show em!". We're talking about grown as men who make 300k a year making youtube videos to demean, slur, and arrange the harrasment of Anita Sarkessian, we're talking about grown ass men who can't play even one overwatch match with a female without telling them to get back in the kitchen. We're talking grown ass men who are the reasons that they have to put signs up at conventions that say "please don't touch the cosplayers."
This "it's just 12 year olds" nonsense is bogus, and everyone knows it.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
When people have to dispute on why this is wanted or needed, then the problem still exists. This isn't a Girls club: No Men Allowed, it's something that women don't get a chance to have. They don't get the chance to enjoy their hobby without fear of objection, unwanted sexual advances or just being themselves.
It keeps happening, and it always reminds me of this one blog post.
http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/pick_on_someone_your_own_size
One thing. Just can't let them have this ONE THING. The amount of privilege it takes to argue for gatecrashing and tut-tutting the event is beyond omnistaggering.
http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/pick_on_someone_your_own_size
One thing. Just can't let them have this ONE THING. The amount of privilege it takes to argue for gatecrashing and tut-tutting the event is beyond omnistaggering.
Lol what a moron
Again, men are the true victim here? Simply because they rarely have the negative and repeated experience that is common to women, that constitutes being given the burden of not having that barrier?
I honestly have no idea what you think you are saying. As was covered earlier, having governing bodies be men only clubs is a slight to women. Having a women only event in part with the context that it is a place with barriers specific to women is only a slight to men in so far as you identify your manhood with assuring women have those barriers. I do not feel I have been given a burden, so notallmen I guess.
joecanada
Member
lack of business awareness never ceases to amaze me but this post is next level. But I'll just address the gym thing as someone familiar in fitness clubs ....
Businesses exist and succeed based on desire, need . The very existence of women's only gyms should have told you all you need to know about the subject but let me make it clear . Women will pay money to escape men's creepy behavior.
Imagine one club I trained at had a women's only section. I could actually hear men discuss how women who chose to work out in the cooed section were looking for attention or looking to mingle.
Extreme example: So its my responsibilty or my burden when most murder has been done by men? Sure, you have my support in fighting inequality but not like this.
I dont have the right to tell anyone what they should do. I also noted several times that its not the event that angers people. Its the double standards. And to answer your question: I plan to keep treating people equal, regardless of how they look like, what their religion is, what skin color they have, what gender they belong to.
IrishNinja
Member
what does all this waste have in common
^^
hell of a batch, this last wave
of course, older members can also peddle horseshit too
What a shit post.
Please tell me how I am a moron?
You were just in here saying "feminism isn't about equality anymore" and when asked what it was about, you responded "do the math"
Your agenda is clear.
Bobo Dakes
Member
Don't act like you weren't saying problematic things in this thread a few pages back.
CannonFodder52
Member
I agree that people would benefit from growing a thick skin on the internet. But I'm not interested in citing that as the full solution or only response.
I would like this community to be more inviting one day. I don't want to tell people they need to be stronger humans to get interested in my hobby.
YES IT'S YOUR BURDEN TO STOP THE MURDER
WHATEVER GENDER YOU ARE
I'm sorry that your gender causes you to empathize so much with the murderers, but Christ, get over it and put a stop to the horseshit. Then maybe people will stop "generalizing" men or whatever else it is that you're so terrified of happening.
It's the responsibility of non-murderers to help the police locate murderers.
It's the responsibility of good men to police shitty men when they are harassing women.
To take on the civic and social duties of making your communities better is not a fucking admission of guilt.
So you're going to do nothing.
Women will surely feel better with people like you at the forefront of this fight.
inpHilltr8r
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Bobo Dakes
Member
Both groups would have to not have a history of being treated unfairly for it to be a double standard.
Damn.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Yes? Like men committ the most assaults and murder. We as a group need to get better through, education, support and setting examples.
And I mean if your support for fighting inequality is conditional at all there is already a hugw red flag.
Double standards require situations to be equal in order for them to work. It's not a double standard if the fundamental comparison points are vastly different.
joecanada
Member
What's your point ? Some people may care or they don't . The emphasis is on people's behavior , why do they need to be shitheads ... Anything goes as long as noone cares right ? Maybe you should worry more about why there's so many shitheads and less about how the victims of harrasnment should feel . There's sensitive people out there , young people , people with trauma , mental illness and they all deserve protection by society from predators.
It's so obvious that he has no knowledge on feminism other than reguritating things he sees in youtube videos. And I bet he calls other people sheeple.
Yeah was about to point out the same thing.
*sigh* Its like you do it on purpose that you ignore the fact that the equivalent wouldnt be to not care about murder. The equivalent would be to exclude every white male from events with the reason that a few have done murder.... I never said that I would just stand there and watch people getting harassed, in fact I said and already did the opposite.
Of course its my responsibility to help the police find the murderers just as it is my responisbility to help people who get harassed.
What do you want me to do? Run around with a sign "Please stop harassing women"? After reading the posts here I am really not sure if the problem is Women beeing harassed anymore.
your apathy makes you complicit.
so you tell me which one's worse. the people actually trying to protect themselves and others, and trying to do something about sexism, or the person who won't even speak up against it?
edit: oh i need to hear what this real problem is lmaooo
Okay then buddy what's the real problem
Nah man, the equivalent would be to exclude every white male from events with the reason that a few have done murder, and those few will do tons of murder at every event. Surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.
You're bringing up the "not all men" argument again, it doesn't help.
Edit: And surely you can see that the solution to women being harassed at gaming events isn't to keep women from holding their own harassment free events. It seems like your solution is to ban women-only events and tell them to just put up with the harassment at other events, because you can't stop it.
How do you stop harassment at events? I'm not sure you can, but telling women they can't have their own events free of sexual advances and derogatory comments sure as fuck isn't the answer.
Invite women who game to general gaming events. Make sure they feel safe and are having fun. Stand up for them if you hear them getting harassed on mic chat. Check your friends if they do that kind of shit. Send women in the industry good vibes and share their content. Just basic little displays of backbone beyond being a nice guy. If more people did this, gaming culture would probably be better.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
Exactly and thats also the case here. Finally I feel like someone understands me here. To take your solution in our case here is to educate people and not exclude them.
Having strict rules and security will do the rest. Now we have an event everyone can attend and connect with other people. Someone does not behave? -> Well, bye bye.
IrishNinja
Member
if it's any consolation, no one (not even you) actually thought you believed that was the problem
So the burden is on females to educate males enough so that they stop harassing them? Surely you see how stupid that is.
We already have events where everyone can attend, and women get harassed, so that obviously is doing jack shit.
Telling women that they're being sexist for wanting to have an event where they can be themselves without slimey perv dudes and misogynists "othering" them is super fucking ignorant.
You know what would happen if there was a female-gamer oriented event that was for males too? It would get harassed out of existence just like this one did.
Baby steps. His entire perspective-- EDIT:
One of two things could happen from this. And he hasn't run off and sought reaffirmation for his pre-existing beliefs yet, so the positive outcome might still be possible.
This is what they try to do. It has never happened.
So you rather be reactive than prevent the episode altogether? You prefer having a woman harassed and then punishing the man, rather than not allowing men to enter a building to which they had not been called?
I am not sure anymore
this thread has been on fire and that only because some people dont want to understand why this whole problem came up until the event had to be suspended. Not saying its okay but I am saying that its not all black and white what happened there. Maybe a little greyscale too from both sides.Again, you refuse to understand what I said. not all men is the argument against hate against men because some has done murder, not an excuse to just watch and accept what has happened.
I also dont want to ban women only events. I just wanted to make clear that the first step into the equal direction is not to be inequal. In a perfect world its not necessary to exclude innocent people because they are male, black, muslim or whatever.
Call me when dudes can't feel safe walking by themselves because their outfit suggests "they're asking for it."
You act like Men and Women are already treated equally. As if this is some affront to a well-tuned balance. Nah, bruh. This shit isn't even close to equal. I guarantee you the women who would attend this con have dealt with infinitely more shit because of their gender than you have.
Until equality actually exists, marginalized groups have the right to take organize among themselves without the burden of having to put up with the bullshit from others.
IrishNinja
Member
but why won't they listen to both sides & hear what they have to say? maybe they could both learn something & finally come together, unlike this anti-male gatherings that are happening everywhere now. i may be new to this "social group" but if sarcon can take time out from his videos DETROYING feminism (which is not about equality btw) to thoughtfully engage ((((anita)))) then why can't i go to events like this? it sounds to me like these women wanted to have this event canceled for the attention.
this guy gets it
One step to equality is women being able to feel safe at a gaming event, as men do. One solution is for men at gaming events to not harass women. That isn't happening. Another solution is a safe space for females to attend without fear of male harassment.
You saying that is "inequal" is completely ignoring any context.
edit: and nobody here is hating men, I don't know where you get that from. A female only gaming event isn't "hating men" either.
That argument is fucking ignorant, because men don't murder by the hundreds at gaming conventions. But they sure do sexually harass and other women in those numbers.
Precisely. In the end, women can have their event when I'm ready to allow it. Until then, I'd prefer we did not speak of how the event was stopped, but why stopping it was just.