FalsettoVibe
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I bet this game gets a re-release with more content holiday 2017. Some GOTY edition or something.
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FFXV is already being discounted in Japan
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Best thing about this is it'll be like £20 in a month or two with retailers trying to get rid of stock.
The overreaction by the people wanting it to fail is sad. that is the thing about this.
Smh why wouldn't you just ignore it?
Persona didn't suffer a dip in sales in fact it grew and is the 3rd biggest PS4 game right now. MGSV had a drop but it was a cross gen release. MGSV overall drop was less than 20%.
Simply put the Japanese market is buying PS4s at a comparable rate to PS3 but we haven't had a titles that actually get people to buy a PS4. FFXV was supposed to be one of the guaranteed 1 million sellers unlike Persona and MGSV its exclusive in Japan to the PS4 no cross gen or vita ports. Simply put unlike MGSV and Persona the audience that bought FF in droves in Japan to make it one of the biggest console games is gone. FFXV is going to be outsold by several Wii U games in Japan. Splatoon the biggest console game this gen has more sales than the top three PS4 games combined in Japan and it's very likely that Splatoon will outsell the third biggest seller Persona in 2016.
It's nothing personal with FFXV, we've been talking about this decline for two years in MC threads.
I think there is a difference between "crapping" on a game and offering constructive criticism.
What do people base this on?
Please tell me what about free gameplay tweaks makes a game unplayable?
Heavy story tweaks on a RPG.
No idea about the UK, but that stopped happening as frequently as it once did in Canada, even with megabombs (which FF15 is not). I think we'll get a $49.99 sale at best for Boxing Day on Dec 26th (MSRP is $79.99 in Canada).
Changing a gameplay mechanic in one chapter is not a "heavy story tweak". The game is perfectly playable from start to finish, don't start a tempest in a teapot.
Based on the word of mouth I have been hearing in my friend circle and at my work.
This game really does seem to be bringing in the FF fans and the open world western RPG fans, who may not have played FF in the past.
Roxkis_ii
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Because FF is a AAA release, so if you're interested in gaming it's kinda hard to do so.
Plus, as a pervious FF fan, I interested in how well this release does (or doesn't).
They will add cutscenes in future patches. Story cutscenes. On a game where the story is the main point.
Moor-Angol
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According to their site, only 13 Dorama shops in the Tokyo/Saitama/Kanagawa area sells games, and those 13 shops should represent the entire situation in Japan ?
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All they are doing is expanding on some things that happen off screen that the player doesn't see.
You still know about the events through written lore pieces.
The story itself is complete in the released version.
At least 10 people that I know personally bought it all love it including myself. Yes it has its faults but what game doesn't.
Given all the negativity from some of the ppl in this thread the game still sold 700k in its first week in Japan excluding digital. I believe ff15 has the top opening week for any ps4 game this gen in Japan.
They will not be heavy.
Good positive buzz from word of mouth and games journos, good reviews, and complaints being isolated to hardcore enthusiast communities (and being the minority voices in these communities).
They only way you don't realize that it's a good game is if you've got blinders on and refuse to see the truth.
Many people won't buy the game day 1 because of that. After 10 years of wait and paying full price I want the story finished. From start to end. Inexcusable in my opinion.
You're confusing a few people on GAF for a majority opinion.
Sales will tell.
Market is different but not -56% different. This isn't because of a general market decline, it's significantly greater than that.
700k is just not a good debut for a game like FFXV.
I guess XV-2 and X-3 will be looking at sub 300k debuts then.
I implore folks to pay heed to posts from people like kwiston and Las7 here. They've followed this stuff for years and they know what they're talking about.
There's certainly an attempted narrative RE: FFXV with some users on this site, but stats are stats. There are nearly as many PS4s in Japanese households now as there were PS3s for FFXIII. It isn't the collapse of the console market to blame here. It is the software market itself, meaning Japanese gamers are not buying Sony's games anywhere near to the degree that they bought select PS3 titles, including Final Fantasy.
Square deserves some of the blame, there, for a big 56% drop between titles. Somehow, their brand, like other brands, is no longer nearly as desirable. In this key regard, yes, Final Fantasy XV is a failure.
700k in today's software climate is still enough to get first billing. It is still the biggest number PS4 can deliver. But it shouldn't be.
There's certainly an attempted narrative RE: FFXV with some users on this site, but stats are stats. There are nearly as many PS4s in Japanese households now as there were PS3s for FFXIII. It isn't the collapse of the console market to blame here. It is the software market itself, meaning Japanese gamers are not buying Sony's games anywhere near to the degree that they bought select PS3 titles, including Final Fantasy.
Square deserves some of the blame, there, for a big 56% drop between titles. Somehow, their brand, like other brands, is no longer nearly as desirable. In this key regard, yes, Final Fantasy XV is a failure.
700k in today's software climate is still enough to get first billing. It is still the biggest number PS4 can deliver. But it shouldn't be.
Good Guy Gone Bad
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Yeah this appears to be pretty common, but it's news because it's about FFXV
Guess we've gotta keep that rhetoric going somehow
AkirraKrylon
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I just want to say that the 700k number doesn't include the digital sales, and there have been reports that FFXV has had a record number of digital sales in the Asia region.
700k alone on a PS4 game in Japan is a good number (regardless of what PS3 FFs did, I am talking any PS4 game). Add in whatever the "record number of digital sales in Asia, including Japan" is and you have a very good number of sales.
Very far from a flop in Japan, people are spinning their own narratives all over the place.
Yeah this appears to be pretty common, but it's news because it's about FFXV
Guess we've gotta keep that rhetoric going somehow
I agree there's a problem here with made up narratives, but the folks who have been charting the sales course in Media Create threads for years are legitimately recognizing this as a genuinely disappointing decline.
I like the game. I want to see it succeed. These numbers aren't good.
Edit: Didnt read that last line hahaa
The game was met with good reviews and, from what i've seen both online and off, seems to benefitting from good word of mouth. I have no idea why some people are acting as though this game is some critically panned abomination when the reception from both the critics and the fans have been generally positive.
That's an interesting angle that I hadn't considered. I'll admit to seeing the "console market ded" rhetoric and being sucked in. I guess you can't take things in a new direction and expect the same people to stick with your brand.
Lol wtf am I reading. The game far from sucks.
I guess you missed the last line, lol.
If I read another idiotic post like this Im going to go nuts.
Lol wtf am I reading. The game far from sucks.
Did you even read his post? ffs...
I don't have a link handy, but I recall seeing people in the MC topic yesterday noting that Japan's previous digital first week record holder was 40k. Breaking that number isn't really going to accomplish much, probably. Unless it does. Which would be cool. But yeah.
I agree that 700k is very good for a PS4 game in Japan, actually. It troubles me, however, that Square has spent years outright saying they're hoping to bring the blockbuster mentality back to the market, noting they're the only ones left who can do it, only to then open with the lowest numbers since FFV.
Chill out. Missed that last line...ffs.
AkirraKrylon
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Persona 5 sells less than 500k (approx 550k if you add in PS3 sales) from Sept 15 - Oct 2: "Persona series is on the rise, doing amazing."
FFXV sells 700k in its first week not even counting digital sales: "FF is ded."
Come on people.....
Fair enough. But we still don't know what it is. Call it 75k. 775k in week 1 is great compared to any other PS4 game in that region.
FFXV sells 700k in its first week not even counting digital sales: "FF is ded."
Come on people.....
Fair enough. But we still don't know what it is. Call it 75k. 775k in week 1 is great compared to any other PS4 game in that region.
Repeating silly statement doesn't makes it a truth
AkirraKrylon
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You continuously just keep "Nope"-ing to everything people say in this thread.
So there's that.
Parakeetman
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Same thing happened with XIII so nothing really new honestly. Back then people were buying XIII for the XIV campaign code that was packaged with the first print edition of the game.
I clearly remember the game dropping in price pretty fast back then.
I clearly remember the game dropping in price pretty fast back then.
It's called an opinion. I have one.
I mean, expectations are totally different, and doubtless that translates to investors as well. It'd sure be something if Persona was delivering Final Fantasy digits, there or elsewhere, but companies want growth no matter the threshold.
I don't approve of the "FF is dead" rhetoric one bit, but IMO your example is rather like McDonald's losing over half its sales one year but pointing out that it performed considerably stronger than a regional fast food joint.
This is silly.
To be fair, there's a pretty large budget difference between those two games and what each company needs to break even (much less profit). That said, there is definitely a lot of projection in this thread. While probably not ideal numbers for SE, I'm sure this won't kill the franchise.
AkirraKrylon
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Since when do opinions come into play when discussing sales numbers?
Not sure why I am bothering.
JuanLatino
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bomba and still the best selling Ps4 Game after 3 Years.
Final Fantasy doesn't have the cult status anymore its once had in Japan, but with 700k copies at launch, thats still numbers you can work with in the future
Some people acting here as if there is no reason anymore to release FF Games on Consoles.
i didn't know that dead means still beeing the most sucessfull franchise on Ps4
Final Fantasy doesn't have the cult status anymore its once had in Japan, but with 700k copies at launch, thats still numbers you can work with in the future
Some people acting here as if there is no reason anymore to release FF Games on Consoles.
i didn't know that dead means still beeing the most sucessfull franchise on Ps4
DarkLordMalik
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The franchise that you use as an avatar is deader than FF. Its last game super bombed.
They aren't gonna get that Western money, though.
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