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[ClosingADoor]

Youtube is a funny place. They get to blame the game media for everything and push against that, but meanwhile they are part of that same group (they attend the same events, get the games, advertising/promotion deals, etc), but aren't seen as part of it. Shady stuff and a lot of bought content. But their viewers see them as 'one of us gamers' so they can get away with it.

Give it a few years and they'll have the same troubles as games websites now.

 

[Zomba13]

Ok. So. This happened!
http://i.imgur.com/J636zQW.jpg[IMG]
And then this.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mMmj6pR.jpg[IMG]
And finally someone thought it over for a minute and thought this was a bad idea. Sort of.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OajrEow.jpg[IMG]

There's no actual way this could be taking place in anything close to something vaguely resembling reality. Thus I can only conclude I'm in a dream. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive off a cliff so I can wake up from this and realize it never actually existed.[/QUOTE]

Actually it's about ethics in porn.

 

[kingdoug87]

https://twitter.com/crecenteb/status/529960263618138112

"The doxxing of Polygon staff is by a self-identified Gamergater"

Dont know if Im angry,sad or just .... I dont know.

 

[jgminto]

I know Giantbomb and I know QLs. Jeff said a number of times, that their data shows that QuickLooks are far more helpfull for their viewers then their reviews ever were.

No, they are not reviews. But that doesn't mean he gets to dodge all responsibility. That's what I meant. People watch his videos and then decide wether or not to get a game, just like they do with reviews.

I think more people probably look to that exact kind of short video content for purchase advice instead of reviews these days anyway.

 

[shink]

https://twitter.com/crecenteb/status/529960263618138112

"The doxxing of Polygon staff is by a self-identified Gamergater"

Dont know if Im angry,sad or just .... I dont know.

The both sides comments infuriate me. They seem to gloss over the actual doxxing to just say it's fine, both sides do it anyway. Are they ever not in PR management mode.

 

[tonysidaway]

For people who, like me, don't know who crecenteb on Twitter is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Crecente

 

[aspiegamer]

Actually it's about ethics in porn.

There is so much meta irony in that. It blows my mind.

They seem... serious about it. If it was generic ranting or insane ideas I'd just laugh it off like the million other "operations", but to have a porn star lined up already is pretty freaking creepy. People are tossing in ideas like it's some weird #GG fanfic come to life (wtf would a "#GG fanfic" be, anyway?). Also noted, there seems to be heavy interest in a lesbian and/or interracial scene. Freud would be proud of these guys.

 

[P.H. Perinax]

There is so much meta irony in that. It blows my mind.

They seem... serious about it. If it was generic ranting or insane ideas I'd just laugh it off like the million other "operations", but to have a porn star lined up already is pretty freaking creepy. People are tossing in ideas like it's some weird #GG fanfic come to life (wtf would a "#GG fanfic" be, anyway?). Also noted, there seems to be heavy interest in a lesbian and/or interracial scene. Freud would be proud of these guys.

It just baffles me since they apparently don't know that everybody can read what they write on there.

 

[Rapstah]

I know Giantbomb and I know QLs. Jeff said a number of times, that their data shows that QuickLooks are far more helpfull for their viewers then their reviews ever were.

How would they have data to show how helpful their videos are for the people watching them? I'm pretty sure what he has said is that they get enough views from QLs that the extra work to do a video review is essentially a waste of time for them.

 

[forgeforsaken]

Id say Payola for popular youtubers is a very real issue.

 

[Carcetti]

Giant Bomb have no problems defining themselves as games media and accepting the responsibilities that come with that. TB constantly tries to define himself as not being a part of the games media and 'just a guy on YT' which has allowed him in the past to be evasive as to what was paid content and what is not. He has stopped that behaviour but he continues to lambast the press for not doing the research on GG while continuing to repeat falsehoods disproved a long time ago (e.g. the Zoepost never actually claimed that DQ 'review' was a sexual favour). Simple fact is the media did the research he never did and found nothing there, he went hard on ZQ over a DMCA that was never shown to be hers against a vile MundaneMatt video filled with lies. Ever since he has been doubling and tripling down going on streams with assholes like SoA, KoP, IA and laughing at 'SJWs'. He is a two faced double dealer in other words who thinks himself above it all while being the very definition of the problem of YT who think themselves better than the media and thus not bound by it's ethics.

This pretty much defines my problem with TB. He's a huge hypocrite who either doesn't realize it or has decided to gloss it over.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

How would they have data to show how helpful their videos are for the people watching them? I'm pretty sure what he has said is that they get enough views from QLs that the extra work to do a video review is essentially a waste of time for them.

Forum reactions, views on QL compared to clicks on a review and surveys probably.

 

[Lalalandia]

Forum reactions, views on QL compared to clicks on a review and surveys probably.

Yeah it sounds like they use an 'engagement' metric for that stuff, they're usually an amalgam of views, comments and links into a single number. The thought being that the more popular and 'useful' stuff will score higher. To be honest a lot of the more recent QLs have come off as a long form companion piece to a review where the writer has more time to expand on what they liked or not.

 

[binaryrevolt]

Wow, Mozilla issued an apology for their GG article?

Didn't see this posted. I don't really take sides in this but I didn't think this was necessary.

https://openstandard.mozilla.org/our-sincerest-apologies/

 

[Lalalandia]

Wow, Mozilla issued an apology for their GG article?

Didn't see this posted. I don't really take sides in this but I didn't think this was necessary.

https://openstandard.mozilla.org/our-sincerest-apologies/

The hell? How was calling out GG on it's BS 'shouting down'? The GG response article was a better match for that than the original with it:s "nuh-uh we were doxxed too, and it's all normal anyway" nonsense. I was afraid they'd drunk deep of the false balance kool-aid when they said they'd publish a pro-GG article now I know they have. How long till they have a climate change denier on provide balance to the ICC?

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Ok. So. This happened!

Actually it's about ethics in videogame journalism.

 

[Corpekata]

In times of people I like getting dogpiled by the Gater army I find it important to send them a message of "hey, not everyone thinks you're awful."

David Rosen even said thanks.

 

[MYeager]

I have to defend TB here but his videos are not reviews, they are early impressions, just like Giant Bomb's Quick Looks, which Giant Bomb has been doing before TB (and TB said this is where he got his inspiration from), and they don't call them reviews either, because they aren't. They're not reviewing the game in its entirety, it's a piece based on first impressions when playing the game for the first time, since that's also one of the most important aspects since games should also captivate you early on instead of "it gets better later" or whatever.

Plus, he does some pretty good coverage on performance as well. His videos are not reviews, just like Giant Bomb's Quick Look's are reviews either. They're the same format essentially. TB has been saying they're not reviews for years already, and he's right in that sense, they're not reviews in the traditional sense to what other reviews are today, they're first impressions. He doesn't even delve into the rest of the game nor finish it.

Here are GB's Quick Looks, TB's first impressions/videos are similar, they fundamentally don't contain the same type of content a review does in text or video form: http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-looks/

He's part of the video game media that he is critical of, but counts himself outside of that same criticism. Much of what he has been critical of has been coverage of games and many of the articles he's pointed out aren't reviews. If he feels he knows better than he should lead by example instead of throwing stones from a glass house.

 

[Karkador]

I know Giantbomb and I know QLs. Jeff said a number of times, that their data shows that QuickLooks are far more helpfull for their viewers then their reviews ever were.

No, they are not reviews. But that doesn't mean he gets to dodge all responsibility. That's what I meant. People watch his videos and then decide wether or not to get a game, just like they do with reviews.

IIRC, Jeff has also wondered out loud on the bombcast about whether the traditional game review is still relevant, or if quick looks are practically the new reviews.

 

[CBTech]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

That was a really good read. Thanks for writing that up. Have you spread your article around at all yet? I doubt it will convince any #GGers, but at least it will be out there. I have a couple of friends who are fans of TB, though I don't know what their opinions are on #GG. Hopefully they don't side with them. Well, if they do I can link them your article. They are smart enough people that this will hopefully convince them.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

IIRC, Jeff has also wondered out loud on the bombcast about whether the traditional game review is still relevant, or if quick looks are practically the new reviews.

Without game reviews, how would we know what websites/reviews to get absurdly upset about when they don't rate the game we're looking forward to at a level we'd prefer?

But seriously, I swear that the vast majority of gamers I see talking about reviews online only refer to them so they can either A. feel validated in the purchases they've already made, or B. get mad when someone suggests a game isn't as good as they've decided it will be pre-release.

I'm sure there's more casual users that still read reviews and take their advice to heart, but they don't seem to pop up much.

 

[FoneBone]

But seriously, I swear that the vast majority of gamers I see talking about reviews online only refer to them so they can either A. feel validated in the purchases they've already made, or B. get mad when someone suggests a game isn't as good as they've decided it will be pre-release.

That's all in the throes of the hype cycle, though. I actually tend to find reviews pretty helpful when I'm looking at buying a game a few months (or years) after release. (I think Kotaku's efforts to emphasize post-release coverage are a very good sign here).

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This is some of it https://archive.today/XDZ8j

Hahahahaha holy shit, this guy just keeps delivering, doesn't he?

 

[TyrantGuardian]

My respect for TB has plummeted completely due to this whole disaster. He's taking literally no time researching any of this and is just hopping on knee-jerk bandwagons left and right then trying to come across as being "neutral" and only interested in "ethics being breached" when there literally has been no breach of ethics. What he should be saying and what he (and everyone else in gamergate) actually thinks is that issues of social politics should be kept out of the gaming discourse. Considering his previous content where he himself has taken up issues related to politics and gaming, I find this complete and utter bullshit from him.

I have such a hard fucking time imagining him not wanting games to be taken seriously and critiqued as such, yet here we are with him on the side of complete idiots who only want to stifle discussion. I could not be more disappointed.

 

[Christine]

Which is actually kind of funny given this new Operation Bender plan. They wish to pretend to self-identify as female in order to troll a group they claim pretends to self-identify as champions of social justice. How is that not hypocrisy is the highest magnitude?

Or is hypocrisy okay if it's for the lulz?

I don't know that "Operation Bender" is a real plan of action so much as talking about it is a way to broadly accuse trans women of hypocrisy and complain about their "victim privilege".

 

[MYeager]

I wonder how long the Ralph Retort is going to keep calling out people on falsified information. There's a whole bunch of talk on Nick Denton that he said some things and later his account was deleted but it's all fake. The real Nick Denton's Facebook is still around and it even has a verified check on it.

https://www.facebook.com/nicknotned?fref=ts

That whole thing is weird. There was a fake image that's on GameGhazi of a Gawker Media bank account deposit that folks were jokingly using. Around the same time GG was having an internal meltdown and some of the loose screws detached themselves. Then Kingofpol was supposedly sent proof of Nick Denton admitting his schemes so dramatically he might've been petting a cat and threatening Mr. Bond. Not the right user picture, later King said the facebook account was deleted as proof, even though Denton's official account never was deleted, and then later had more evidence of later postings from Denton despite the deleted account he was using as evidence before.

Someone obviously made a new Facebook account under the name Nick Denton, but I don't know if it was by someone to troll these guys, or if they made it themselves in order to bring some of the people who were leaving back into their fight. Either way a new stupidity is revealed every day.

 

[Lalalandia]

My respect for TB has plummeted completely due to this whole disaster. He's taking literally no time researching any of this and is just hopping on knee-jerk bandwagons left and right then trying to come across as being "neutral" and only interested in "ethics being breached" when there literally has been no breach of ethics. What he should be saying and what he (and everyone else in gamergate) actually thinks is that issues of social politics should be kept out of the gaming discourse. Considering his previous content where he himself has taken up issues related to politics and gaming, I find this complete and utter bullshit from him.

I have such a hard fucking time imagining him not wanting games to be taken seriously and critiqued as such, yet here we are with him on the side of complete idiots who only want to stifle discussion. I could not be more disappointed.

Yeah I kind of lost patience when he kept repeating the 'XB1 DRM = Steam' nonsense despite there being a major difference between MS being a platform holder and Valve being the leading store on an open platform. He still had my respect for pushing against some of the worst abuses on Steam and the YT DMCA & CopyID(?) stuff but it seems as if he just can't see past his own ego on this one.

FWIW I thought he had steamed into this more out of ignorance than malice with his first twit longer on the allegation that ZQ used the YT DMCA system to get a MundaneMatt '5 Guys' video taken down. That was never proven and he was far too myopic in focusing on that rather than the then weeks old Quinnspiracy rage but I can see how a person can make that mistake and just focus on what concerns them. Making the mistake is only human as is apologising but it seems that TB feels himself above mistakes and that whatever he chooses to focus on is the only issue that matters in any debate.

From folks more familiar with him it seems that he was already on board the 'not a game' train with regard to Gone Home, Dear Esther et al which gives me pause that I may be too generous in my assessment of why he initially chose to get involved. I think it's notable that he no longer raises the MM DMCA filing in any of his public utterances on GG anymore but has seemingly felt no need to correct his initial comments.

 

[Stop It]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

Just read your breakdown. I'm impressed.

TB and his argument sums up the "moderate" #GG view to a tee. Claim it's about ethics and that it isn't possible to talk about them. Also says it isn't about women or harassment. Proves this by banging on about women and glossing over ethics, using debunked or just plain old bad examples and ignoring actual ethical problems in the relationship between big publishers and the media.

If this is the best #GG can actually come up with it deserves the derision it has received, let alone the fact that this has always been a smokescreen for a harassment campaign to begin with.

 

[GoodCoffeeJoey]

This guy.

 

[ViviOggi]

"Alleged death threats" huh

I used to respect TB until recently but it seems like I've given him way too much credit. Great writeup.

 

[Moral Panic]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

It's not 100% clear at first glance where you move from critique of TB's words to your own writing. You have LET THE CORRECTENING BEGIN! part but none for the end.

You can also point out that Brianna Wu did tell the Guardian about any possible conflicts but they dismissed them.

You don't go into enough depth on the "Gamers are dead" part, it would be good to have some quotes from the articles so a lay reader can be clear of the content of those articles. The furor and misinformation around those articles is a huge reason of #Gamergates existence so showing exactly why those claims are untrue is helpful.

You dismiss the “Death of the Author” without properly explaining what that argument is.

You didn't talk at all about the anti-Semitic caricatures of Anita http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/...thats-literally-derived-from-nazi-propaganda/ It could be useful to put that in the section which talks about how KiA and other places demeans and creates a culture calling these people professional victims and false flags. Your choice though obv.

You can also post links showing the chat log of the #burgerandfries channel which shows the origins of Gamergate and the harassment more clearly. http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/...urse-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/

Good job though, it must have been very tiring.

 

[Mesoian]

Ok. So. This happened!

And then this.

And finally someone thought it over for a minute and thought this was a bad idea. Sort of.

There's no actual way this could be taking place in anything close to something vaguely resembling reality. Thus I can only conclude I'm in a dream. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive off a cliff so I can wake up from this and realize it never actually existed.

...I don't think these guys, in their excitement and fervor, have realized that they are planning to use a charity as an outlet for prostitution. It'll dawn on them, later, possibly when it's too late.

 

[Mael]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

Thank you for the time you took on doing this.

However, while this and many other examples of corruption and nepotism

 

[Mesoian]

So because he (a pro-GG person) cared about the Shadow of Mordor thing, saying GamerGate didn't care about the issue is wrong? But I thought you can't judge the entire movement based on a few individuals?

It's not even that.

It's a good thing that TB spoke out about the Mordor thing, but at the same time, Gamergate as a movement, was more interested in fact checking Zoe Quinn's educational documents than talking about the very real issue that they keep saying their movement is about. If 1 person with a good amount of visibility talks about a problem, and literally everyone is talking about something else that isn't relative to the movement, it doesn't suddenly mean that the issue has been covered. It means that most people in that movement don't actually care.

Much in the same way that if one news outlet is talking about Obama's health care plans, while everyone else is talking about whether or not his birth certificate is legal, years after it had been proven to be legal, you can say that news outlets don't actually care about Obama's health care plans.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

I posit that GamerGate, if you ignore the harassment for whatever reason, is not a movement defined by a desire for improved Journalistic Ethics, but a movement out to defend its own reputation.

This is so true. And so depressing.

 

[jstripes]

This is so true. And so depressing.

#GamerGate is about defending #GamerGate.

When you think about it, that's true. That's mostly what it is at this moment.

 

[L Thammy]

Ok. So. This happened!

And then this.

And finally someone thought it over for a minute and thought this was a bad idea. Sort of.


There's no actual way this could be taking place in anything close to something vaguely resembling reality. Thus I can only conclude I'm in a dream. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive off a cliff so I can wake up from this and realize it never actually existed.

You know, I wonder why Gamergate hasn't recruited Max Hardcore. Seems like their kind of guy.

#GamerGate is about defending #GamerGate.

When you think about it, that's true. That's mostly what it is at this moment.

There's that and there's harassment of the Literally Crew. That's it. That's all they do.

 

[zeldablue]

#GamerGate is about defending #GamerGate.

When you think about it, that's true. That's mostly what it is at this moment.

It's always been about defending gamers/consumers.

You know, defend them from being labeled as harassers and women haters.

They've been doing an awful job. >__>

 

[Cybit]

But seriously, I swear that the vast majority of gamers I see talking about reviews online only refer to them so they can either A. feel validated in the purchases they've already made, or B. get mad when someone suggests a game isn't as good as they've decided it will be pre-release.

I'm sure there's more casual users that still read reviews and take their advice to heart, but they don't seem to pop up much.

If the election is any indication; I think this might not just be only tied to games. Think this is a societal shift more than anything. But you're spot on, IMO.

 

[Shmuppers]

For the knowledgeable-

At what point did the GG "movement" enter it's death throes? Or has it at all?

 

[chaobreaker]

I see that SwissLion's TB debunking post is the top submission on /r/GamerGhazi right now. There's a mod on /r/cynicalbrit (TB's subreddit) claiming to have crossposted on their sub but idk. Seems he's defending TB's actions of the past months as well.

 

[MYeager]

There's that and there's harassment of the Literally Crew. That's it. That's all they do.

I love that they gang up on anyone who disagrees with "You should do some more research." when if you go to their boards it's email campaigns, defending GamerGate and playing the martyr, and about whatever dumb nickname they give to the women they don't care about but can't stop talking about.

 

[pantsonhead]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Or at least the working draft? I dunno how this site works.

I was gonna send it to twitter people and maybe chuck it on GamerGhazi but I'd appreciate any comments or feedback before I do so.

I tried to get sourced stuff for direct claims but couldn't get much referring to more general happenings so if anyone has any kind of source on hand for whatever reason that fits a hole in there that'd be cool too.

This really honestly is the single most complete and reasonable Pro-GG account of the situation I've ever seen and considering I had well over twice the original post's length in corrections by the end that really should tell you something.

I've said it before but GamerGate's bullshit is really hard to debunk all at once, because nobody ever gives it to you all at once. As soon as you think you have a good answer for everything people remind you that they thought (still think?) that Phil Fish is going to be arrested for racketeering.

So in that way TB's post isn't a complete picture. But it does seem to contain most if not all of the sanest claims to legitimacy, while avoiding the obvious nuttery, whose proponents will never be convinced anyway.

So yeah. Comments, feedback, corrections. Anything. I'll probably finalise it and send it out tonight while I'm bored at work.

 

[L Thammy]

For the knowledgeable-

At what point did the GG "movement" enter it's death throes? Or has it at all?

The Colbert Report, probably the entrance into mainstream media in general. My interpretation is this. It's become obvious that, no matter what lies they use to hide their intentions, no one will look at this movement as a good thing. So a lot of the members are scampering off until some new, cool hate movement appears that they can get behind without harming their reputation.

Having said that, it's still conducting e-mail campaigns and such right now. "Death" isn't quite the word for what's going on.

 

[jstripes]

It's always been about defending gamers/consumers.

 

[pantsonhead]

-

 

[jim2point0]

Oh my. The irony.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/530061307064909825

 

[Lalalandia]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

Worth the wait, an excellent piece that contains plenty of high quality examples of this 'research' that TB seems to have heard of but is incapable of performing it seems. Top job.

 

[Menome]

So for anyone interested in that breakdown of TotalBiscuit's google post I've got it all up and ready to go on Medium.

You've just been linked in a tweet by Kieron Gillen!

https://twitter.com/kierongillen/status/530064746993963008

Even more coverage now for a great piece.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

There's that and there's harassment of the Literally Crew. That's it. That's all they do.

Well....
that and porn charities