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[bananafactory]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

 

[Lalalandia]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

Post #5 has a huge rundown of links but if you're looking for the shorthand Wikipedia is OK

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

There's honestly not much more to it. It's a bunch of misogynists and extremely gullible people attacking women in gaming and their families because #ethicsingamejournalism

 

[jstripes]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

It's about ethics in games jour...

Oh my god, I can feel the insanity flowing into me.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Brianna Wu sure knows how to insert herself into an horrible unrelated situation and make it about herself.

EDIT: oh, Quinn did the same thing too. Not surprising.

 

[TedNindo]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

Which version? None are complete or objective. If you want to be entertained read the pro version. Which is pretty hilarious if you`re into tinfoil stuff.

I like grabbing some popcorn myself while i watch the whole ordeal from a distance while both sides fail horribly at getting their points across and look worse every day. It`s like some kind of cartoon version of American politics.

 

[RMI]

Brianna Wu sure knows how to insert herself into an horrible unrelated situation and make it about herself.

EDIT: oh, Quinn did the same thing too. Not surprising.

yeah, weird how people just insert themselves into insane internet harassment campaigns, apropos of nothing, and then make it all about how they're getting harassed. How weird. How utterly weird.

is this real life?

 

[EricTheCleric]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

im sorry
this is not really related but people like these are also gamers
and they do not like women

 

[JC Sera]

just woke up
read the TB bullshit
the 4chan murder
like seriously
wtf

On a positive note Boogie and Zoe talked civically and amicably

Spoiler

on a negative note it was about their shared harassment

 

[BlastProcessing]

Brianna Wu sure knows how to insert herself into an horrible unrelated situation and make it about herself.

EDIT: oh, Quinn did the same thing too. Not surprising.

I don't understand this. Help me understand this.

 

[Lalalandia]

Which version? None are complete or objective. If you want to be entertained read the pro version. Which is pretty hilarious if you`re into tinfoil stuff.

I like grabbing some popcorn myself while i watch the whole ordeal from a distance while both sides fail horribly at getting their points across and look worse every day. It`s like some kind of cartoon version of American politics.

I'm surprised you can see both 'sides' from so high on your horse there, care to provide the 'objective' commentary you find so lacking?

 

[Dimefan3]

Ok I've stayed out of this thing since it started but I keep hearing the gamer gate term thrown around. Where can I find a good summary of what it is? I don't see anything in the OP

edit: nevermind I'm dumb, there is a brief explanation in the OP. Would still like a bit more info though.

I've been staying out of it as much as I can as well, however after reading a fair few articles on the attacks on Brianna Wu, Anita, and Quinn, I've come to think of it as a bunch of frigid guys who are deeply terrified of women.

 

[blitzcloud]

just woke up
read the TB bullshit
the 4chan murder
like seriously
wtf

On a positive note Boogie and Zoe talked civically and amicably

Spoiler

on a negative note it was about their shared harassment

thread moving too fast for me, 4chan murder?

EDIT: Oh.... shit.

 

[sedaku]

I don't understand this. Help me understand this.

He's probably referring to how Brianna Wu And Zoe Quinn already jump on the 4chan murder to make it about them.

 

[L Thammy]

I haven't seen the Direct yet, you spoiled it for me. :|
That said, I do really want to pick up Gone Home after all of this.


EDIT: You're going to have update me on the 4chan murder as well.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I don't understand this. Help me understand this.

Par for the course from that poster

 

[Van Owen]

yeah, weird how people just insert themselves into insane internet harassment campaigns, apropos of nothing, and then make it all about how they're getting harassed. How weird. How utterly weird.

is this real life?

The Woman killed was part of a harassment campaign?

 

[Orayn]

He's probably referring to how Brianna Wu And Zoe Quinn already jump on the 4chan murder to make it about them.

Yeah, I don't get how women who've experience numerous violent threats from *chan sites recently would have anything to say about a woman being murdered by someone who posted about it on 4chan. Totally just looking for attention!

 

[sedaku]

I haven't seen the Direct yet, you spoiled it for me. :|
That said, I do really want to pick up Gone Home after all of this.


EDIT: You're going to have update me on the 4chan murder as well.

There's a woman murdered in Port Orchard, Washington. The killer (seem to be some sort of ex-boyfriend) post the image of the crime scene on 4chan before the Cop get there.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ashington-slaying-scene-investigators-n241806

It's on going.

 

[Van Owen]

Yeah, I don't get how women who've experience numerous violent threats from *chan sites recently would have anything to say about a woman being murdered by someone who posted about it on 4chan. Totally just looking for attention!

How many million people are on 4chan? Someone did the same thing on Facebook and no one made a stink.

 

[TedNindo]

I'm surprised you can see both 'sides' from so high on your horse there, care to provide the 'objective' commentary you find so lacking?

Look there are points of views that lack at any single source. You can`t understand what is going on by following it from one side. Because one side is oblivious of the other on many subjects because they are blinded by emotion/investment. Both sides btw. I`ve tried to follow all points of view up until now. And i`m not picking any lesser evils here. Both extremes of either side are absurd.
It`s part of the distancing I learned in film school from analysing documentary filmmaking.

I`m not claiming to be better than anyone taking a side. I just enjoy observing from a distance without becoming personally involved or invested.

I hope this came across as I wanted it to. Because English isn`t my native language.

 

[voodoopanda]

Women get sent death threats along with ppl revealing their home addresses from people who post on 4chan & similar sites for months. Women get told that these are just trolls and that they should have a thicker skin and just ignore it and stop talking about it, there's nothing to be legitimately scared of. Person who posts on 4chan literally kills a woman & posts about it there. Women express that their fear is justified and that this is a serious issue. Women get blamed for "making it about them."

Damn.

 

[L Thammy]

There's a woman murdered in Port Orchard, Washington. The killer (seem to be some sort of ex-boyfriend) post the image of the crime scene on 4chan before the Cop get there.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ashington-slaying-scene-investigators-n241806

It's on going.

Ugh. But this isn't directly related to Gamergate, is it? They're not on 4chan anymore. Pretty sure the motive is similar.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Gator slurpers aren't even making this challenging anymore

C'mon fellas

Look there are points of views that lack at any single source. You can`t understand what is going on by following it from one side. Because one side is oblivious of the other on many subjects because they are blinded by emotion/investment. Both sides btw. I`ve tried to follow all points of view up until now. And i`m not picking any lesser evils here. Both extremes of either side are absurd.
It`s part of the distancing I learned in film school from analysing documentary filmmaking.

I`m not claiming to be better than anyone taking a side. I just enjoy observing from a distance without becoming personally involved or invested.

I hope this came across as I wanted it to. Because English isn`t my native language.

What enjoyment could possibly be gotten from all this

 

[Orayn]

Look there are points of views that lack at any single source. You can`t understand what is going on by following it from one side. Because one side is oblivious of the other on many subjects because they are blinded by emotion/investment. Both sides btw. I`ve tried to follow all points of view up until now. And i`m not picking any lesser evils here. Both extremes of either side are absurd.
It`s part of the distancing I learned in film school from analysing documentary filmmaking.

I`m not claiming to be better than anyone taking a side. I just enjoy observing from a distance without becoming personally involved or invested.

I hope this came across as I wanted it to. Because English isn`t my native language.

Who says people aren't attempting to understand the other side? This thread has plenty of attempts to dissect the Gator philosophy, we just didn't come to the conclusion that they're reasonable people with valid points.

 

[Van Owen]

Women get sent death threats along with ppl revealing their home addresses from people who post on 4chan & similar sites for months. Women get told that these are just trolls and that they should have a thicker skin and just ignore it and stop talking about it, there's nothing to be legitimately scared of. Person who posts on 4chan literally kills a woman & posts about it there. Women express that their fear is justified and that this is a serious issue. Women get blamed for "making it about them."

Damn.

Was this guy making threats before he killed the woman? Was it a personal relationship the two had since he apparently new her schedule as well as her son's?

 

[Felix Lighter]

Ugh. But this isn't directly related to Gamergate, is it? They're not on 4chan anymore. Pretty sure the motive is similar.

Whether or not it's related it just shows how ridiculous the claims that these harassed are making to big of an issue about these death threats.

 

[Orayn]

"Threats are fake or just harmless kids trolling! Nobody on one of these sites would actually do something violent!"

Murder occurs.

"Well you're not dead! Stop trying to make this about you."

 

[BlastProcessing]

How many million people are on 4chan? Someone did the same thing on Facebook and no one made a stink.

Who? When?

How can you say nobody made a stink?

How do these past actions in any way affect the way we should approach current actions?

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

King of Pol just officially backed out of supporting GamerGate. He said that he received abused from both sides, but there was a lot more from the GamerGaters than Anti.

http://twishort.com/DONgc

I have recieved a HUGE AMOUNT of harassment from both sides but the most harassment Inhave recieved comes from #GamerGate itself, not really anti-GG surprisingly.

The best email I got was from someone who has around 10k follpwers on twitter who many of you know as a big #GamerGate person. They sent me death threats to phone calls, tried to trick me to drive to them for a "chat" even went so far as to claim I was a rapist and child molestor. Tgese thing happened mainly from #GamerGate but sadly, I said "Nah, fuck it Itll stop my actions will justicty my means always!".

 

[Felix Lighter]

How many million people are on 4chan? Someone did the same thing on Facebook and no one made a stink.

You're right. She's being completely unfair to the people sending her death threats. All this generalizing. Most of them probably haven't even murder anyone yet.

 

[Hellsing321]

just woke up
read the TB bullshit
the 4chan murder
like seriously
wtf

On a positive note Boogie and Zoe talked civically and amicably

Spoiler

on a negative note it was about their shared harassment

Wait what? Did some insane person actually kill someone over this bullshit?

 

[Alcoremortis]

Was this guy making threats before he killed the woman? Was it a personal relationship the two had since he apparently new her schedule as well as her son's?

According to the news report I read, he was the live-in boyfriend.

 

[L Thammy]

Whether or not it's related it just shows how ridiculous the claims that these harassed are making to big of an issue about these death threats.

I suppose, but it's absolutely pathetic that people need that to see how terrible threats can be. Like, do you live your life that way? I'm not going to close my door because no one's burglarizing me yet. I'm not going to slow down because I haven't crashed yet. I'm not going to eat because I'm not starving yet. What the fuck is wrong with these people. (Rhetorical question, by the way. Selfishness combined with total lack of empathy is what's wrong.)

 

[jstripes]

Wait what? Did some insane person actually kill someone over this bullshit?

No, it's completely unrelated.

But, since one of the chans is involved, it highlights the concern over threats of violence in #GG.

 

[BlastProcessing]

He's probably referring to how Brianna Wu And Zoe Quinn already jump on the 4chan murder to make it about them.

I want to give him/her more credit than that. Commenting on a current event is not making something about them. It's talking. People get to talk.

 

[Van Owen]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

 

[Corpekata]

King of Pol just officially backed out of supporting GamerGate. He said that he received abused from both sides, but there was a lot more from the GamerGaters than Anti.

http://twishort.com/DONgc

Seems like a win win really. One less toxic asshole to deal with in general and Gamergate gets to clean up its' image a little bit.

KotakuinAction seems like they're starting to turn on theRalphRetort too. If they had not fawned over these guys for 2 months the movement might've had something legitimate to say.

 

[L Thammy]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

Have you read about the whole Zoe Quinn situation? If so, think really hard about - for a few minutes, maybe - then read that news report again.

 

[meijiko]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

Zoe made a comment about this situation and its relation to her real fear of death threats. On her personal twitter.

She's not "inserting" herself, she's commenting on something that affects her emotionally.

 

[zeldablue]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

This all seems extremely related. A lot of women in recent news have been murdered after explicit warnings posted online. It's all about taking things more seriously. Nothing more.

 

[jstripes]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

People have literally been saying that for like 3 months now.

 

[JDSN]

I want to give him/her more credit than that. Commenting on a current event is not making something about them. It's talking. People get to talk.

Its probably not the kind of conversation that user likes to have, womens that are getting treats of violence commenting on violence against women=attention whores, demonizing dead black people at every unrelated situation, now thats a talk worth having!

 

[blitzcloud]

Didnt a gaffer commit murder and then suicide? Madness can be found anywhere. Making the point that anonymous death threats have weight would need a double check on this guy to see if he ever used any death threats. Objectively speaking ofc

 

[Brakke]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious

Hundreds and thousands of people say death threats aren't serious. In #gg, on GAF, everywhere.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

With that said I will address this now, I normally would never say it but it needs to be said now. I have recieved a HUGE AMOUNT of harassment from both sides but the most harassment Inhave recieved comes from #GamerGate itself, not really anti-GG surprisingly.

I for one am not surprised in the least that the group that's made harassment their bread and butter harasses their own more than those that oppose harassment.

 

[blitzcloud]

Hundreds and thousands of people say death threats aren't serious. In #gg, on GAF, everywhere.

I dont see many saying theyre not serious... its more about the extremely rare chance they materialize (thank god)

 

[Felix Lighter]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

They are being told that these threats aren't credible, they are making too much of this, they are drama queens. Are you so completely lacking in empathy not to see why an event like this may inspire a statement from these women?

Now the threat is so credible because there are tons of people capable of killing online that calling out 4chan in this situation is out of line. My brain cannot make sense of this line of thinking.

 

[Lalalandia]

No one is saying death threats aren't serious, but inserting yourself into some tragic situation because it has something to do with 4chan is ridiculous.

There's a ton of people capable of killing anywhere on the Internet.

One of the dismissive arguments frequently made about the threats to Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian and too many others is that they aren't credible or worthy of notice because they are made in public forums online. This is patently ridiculous as there have been several notable instances of murderers who have published threats or violent manifestos online prior to their actual killings. This appears to be the latest instance of that once again highlighting that just because someone said it on the internet does not mean it can be dismissed as 'for the lulz' or noise.

 

[blitzcloud]

One of the dismissive arguments frequently made about the threats to Brianna Wu, Anita Sarkeesian and too many others is that they aren't credible or worthy of notice because they are made in public forums online. This is patently ridiculous as there have been several notable instances of murderers who have published threats or violent manifestos online prior to their actual killings. This appears to be the latest instance of that once again highlighting that just because someone said it on the internet does not mean it can be dismissed as 'for the lulz' or noise.

Did the guy post threats/murder intentions prior to the act?