SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Giant Bomb Phil Spencer Interview: Clarifications Regarding Scorpio and Xbox One S
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nillapuddin
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I'm excited for options in the console apace. Hopefully I can afford a Scorpio, neo, vr and a 4ktv lol.
I gotta wonder, would it be better to have an hdr 1080p TV and benefit from downsampling, or get a 4ktv and visuals that are possibly upscaled a bit but with more pixels? Guess it's too early to tell.
I gotta wonder, would it be better to have an hdr 1080p TV and benefit from downsampling, or get a 4ktv and visuals that are possibly upscaled a bit but with more pixels? Guess it's too early to tell.
jfoul
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Yep.
Speaking of controllers, I think the Elite controller should be included with Scorpio.
link1201
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I don't know enough to tell if you're right or wrong but my main point of posting that pic was to express my desire for the Base Xbox to suffer not the Scorpio. I don't want/need the extra power if it isn't going to get used. Count me in if there's going to be a noticeable difference aside from the 4K stuff.I think its important to note the difference here between the difference between the 360 and the one and the one and scorpio. Between the 360 and one there is a gulf of graphics tech...360 was dx9 and one is dx11/12. The 360 cannot do tesselation and a range of other graphics tech
Between the one and scorpio should really only be a power difference. The technology differences should be minimal. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
I don't even notice the resolution changes when playing Halo 5, so I really wouldn't say that's a world of difference.
MrFrankFontaine
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Ok, because the below bullet makes it sound like a developer can develop for Scorpio, but also has to develop for Xbox One and it's accessories. Not that Xbox One accessories is directly supported by Scorpio.
"Developers must support the Xbox One as well (alongside existing accessories)"
"Developers must support the Xbox One as well (alongside existing accessories)"
GarthVaderUK
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I'd love that. The option for making custom colour Elite controllers would be nice too!
How? Do PC owners get hurt when someone releases a game that they can only run on medium instead of ultra because it needs higher specs?
You're making it seem like this sort of thing has never been done before in gaming. The only point I'd concede on it hurting XB1/S owners is it might give devs less incentive to optimize, because they can just power through certain things with Scorpio. But then again, why would they want to release a poorly optimized game to the hardware with the highest install base? It may become a problem later on once Scorpio install base is > 50% compared to old iterations.
I think its important to note the difference here between the difference between the 360 and the one and the one and scorpio. Between the 360 and one there is a gulf of graphics tech...360 was dx9 and one is dx11/12. The 360 cannot do tesselation and a range of other graphics tech
Between the one and scorpio should really only be a power difference. The technology differences should be minimal. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
I think you're right, I think I remember the 360 doing tesselation and DX11, but that's not the point
SEGAvangelist
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And make an expensive box even more expensive? I think one SKU like this wouldn't be bad, but a SKU with a regular controller and modest HDD would be best, IMO. Many of us already have external HDDs and Elite controllers anyway. I think options are important in this case.
wesleyshark
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Ditto. Seems like a good range for a refresh cycle.
wesleyshark
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I can't ever use a normal controller anymore. I've gotten used to using two of the paddles in every game I play now.
jfoul
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Actually, I forgot about the custom color lab. Being able to color the paddles, different sets of thumbsticks, and d-pads would be awesome.
Maybe not in Halo 5, but is it impossible to imagine a future game that performs acceptably on a 1080p screen on Scorpio and not acceptably on a 1080p screen on the X1/S? The processing power has been multiplied by 4.5! The possibility is absolutely there. Even if MS dictates to developers that games should always run acceptably on the weakest consoles, it's still creating a gap that I honestly describe as that whole 'leaving behind' thing that they promise not to do.
If they do give devs a mandate for a minimum performance level for the X1/S, I would be curious to see what numbers they ask for in terms of internal res and fps.
You are playing intentionally dumb just for the discussion, right?
This isn't PC. One of the reasons you would buy a console is because you don't need to have hardware envy. But with Scorpio, you do. Or at least you can. And we should recognize that.
You make an interesting point about optimization. Still, Microsoft is creating a gap with Scorpio. Can't argue with that.
I wouldn't bet on that one if I were you. What if Sony and Nintendo release consoles at a faster rate. Phil should have left this one out, this is purely politician talk.
GarthVaderUK
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There's a bit about it in these other videos:
https://youtu.be/NuYVpClWl5E?t=258
https://youtu.be/QtFUTiwPcQs?t=280
Well I'm not sure about hardware envy, but it does set up some interesting things related to advertising. Like when they show a new Xbox One game on TV will the footage be Scorpio? After purchase will people feel like they've gotten a bait and switch similar to when early previews/demos are run on PCs instead of consoles at conferences etc?
This seems like a non-issue to me. It's a new console, of course it's going to perform better. People buy new phones every few years and don't complain that their old one is eclipsed by newer technology. You can keep saying "this is a console though", but this is the new console paradigm.
I forgot to say thanks for typing it out
Omnistalgic
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No longer confused. Good job on the interview. Just not sure it's all that enticing yet. Very much a wait and see, even more so after e3. The games are really just getting going, I think I'm fine with PS4 for a while.
MisterXDTV
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As usual I agree. The point is not the fact that a gap exists, but the fact that that gap is too BIG.
Basically I can't tell and I can't understand whether Xbox Scorpio offers a "generational" leap or not
To me it looks like it's too powerful to be mid-gen and too weak to be "next-gen"
Sure, I'll amend that for you
He can still upgrade every 4-5 years? Same with phones.
If I were an X1/S owner, I would see this as an issue. If you're saying it's not, then the rules of console gaming have changed. Scorpio still falls under the same generation as the One? Then that means that (vast) performance differences coming from a glorified console refresh are now a thing. You agree, yes?
Yes, about a 4.5x difference. That's what lots of us are excited about. And the fact that I can buy a Scorpio and my friends don't have to upgrade is a win-win for everyone.
When they realize that on the X1 the dynamic res hovers somewhere around 900p (or lower? not a console gamer myself) and the framerate around 30 while you're zooming through the same game at butter-smooth framerates and the full internal 1080p rendering resolution, your friends might not exactly still feel they 'don't have to upgrade'.
Sure, they'll feel that way if they don't know what constitutes properly good resolution, framerates and level of detail in 2017, but otherwise they'll be a bit salty, I wager.
Xbox One users may be 'peasants' (quoting, meaning no offense) in a graphical sense, but at least all these peasants are equal. That'll change.
Nah, I think most of them will say that it looks better, but not $500 better. And, again, there's been no promise of improved framerates to existing games on Scorpio. It might not even be feasible for lots of games without issuing massive patches.
wesleyshark
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A tiny few maybe. The bulk of gamers? Nah.
As a predominantly PC gamer, I do not want to play at 30 fps because I know how comfortable 60 fps is. Whether they find the upgrade price to be worth the performance upgrade is a side note. Scorpio will make them see how bad they have it, is what I'm saying. And it can only get worse seeing as Scorpio will de-incentivize optimizing for X1 the more time goes on.
Okami Haundo
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I'll be really curious to see where Kinect 2.0 ends up when Scorpio hits. I know Phil claims that our current Xbox One accessories will still work, but I really just took that to mean headsets/controllers.
As the Xbox One S is confirmed to not support the Kinect without an adapter, will they use the same setup for Scorpio? I'm not sure if I can see them doing a Kinect 3.0, or at least not one that's geared towards the Xbox specifically. I just like being able to shout commands at my Xbox!
As the Xbox One S is confirmed to not support the Kinect without an adapter, will they use the same setup for Scorpio? I'm not sure if I can see them doing a Kinect 3.0, or at least not one that's geared towards the Xbox specifically. I just like being able to shout commands at my Xbox!
I look at it like this, you get what you pay for. You want high end graphics/performance, get a Scorpio, you want the same as you have had, get a XBOS.
Xbox One (S) - Medium Graphics Card, competitive price
Xbox One Scorpio - High End Graphics Card, VR Capable, premium price
It really is just that simple. (Not saying you don't understand, I know you do...just talking and hoping others who see it can get that understanding)
Burdmayn said:
Kinect is an accessory of the Xbox One "family", it will be supported just as the Xbox One S would be is a good assumption to make. I'm personally buying a Kinect because I too like to shout commands without a headset (especially when watching Netflix) and it is worth the money to me. I hate having a remote.
Wouldn't a game in 4k with a horrendous AA solution look much better on a 1080p display if the image is downsampled from 4k? (if they can hit 4k with the initial output)
I mean we have seem some amazing and some really bad AA this gen.....I was thinking maybe keeping my 1080p IPS panel till the consoles after where 4k may become standard and just downsample if anything comes along since it would be a much cleaner image if they can't get a good AA solution in place.
Do you think the bulk of gamers would still say 'nah' if they saw this? Because that's what the two experiences will look like side-by-side, when you're talking about a 4.5x performance increase. 60 fps is obectively better, and a whole lot better at that.
You'll be able to do that with the headset soon. Or, if you don't like wearing a headset, get this silly thing that has a mic and speaker built in:
Phil talked about inflection points. If 8k is the next "inflection" then we are going to be waiting a loooong time. Like 2025.
Pathfinder
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Well, good.
Now that that's settled we're all friends again, yes?
Now that that's settled we're all friends again, yes?
I think he was referring to console hardware inflection, like the move to 14nm finfet for the neo\scorpio.
GarthVaderUK
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I hope he stays in the job for a long while, don't want another Mattrick coming in and fucking things up again.
Choice is great, as long as it's made clear what the consumer needs, and I hope MS can do that
wesleyshark
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What... That's actually kind of cool.
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