I play most of my shooters on PC dude, it's not a "dirty casual" complaint. It already feels shit going from m/kb to controller regularly, this is even more of a battle. I still get 2.0+ KD playing 5 and my placement is good, but I'm looking for aiming that is at least equivalent to the other games. It's not asking much.
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Halo 5 aiming system: the good, the bad (or bugged with new controllers?)
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I play most of my shooters on PC dude, it's not a "dirty casual" complaint. It already feels shit going from m/kb to controller regularly, this is even more of a battle. I still get 2.0+ KD playing 5 and my placement is good, but I'm looking for aiming that is at least equivalent to the other games. It's not asking much.
We love Halo. We just want to air our dissatisfaction so that 343 decides to do something about it.
CassidyIzABeast
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So its the lack of aim assist.
I really don't think so. I struggle to put the cursor exactly where I want it even when I'm not aiming at someone. That was never the case in previous games.
RSB
Banned
Seriously, lowering the aim-assist is one of the best changes they made for Halo 5. Feels closer to Halo CE and that's awesome. The aim-assist in Halo 2/Reach/4 was just too much.
No not really. I'm still getting headshots almost exclusively. I just feel like something is kind of weird with the axis. Like I said, I still play fine, I just wish this weird feeling wouldn't be so prevalent.
When someone asked me how the game was, my complaint wasn't "man this game is the worst there is no aim assist!" I said "something is really weird with my controller. I don't aim right."
I don't even own an X1, but at this point it is very evident that there is a very clear and implicit motive in forwarding this narrative about Halo, MS, and 343i in many threads like this. The best part? Comparing Halo's aiming to fucking Uncharted 3 pre-patch (something verifiable, broken, and evident on this very forum's archives). It's like people are pushing an agenda without any recompense, but, simply out of nothing but sheer emotional investment. Sad. Maybe they sleep better at night?
I wasn't calling you a dirty casual.
And if anything it would be even worse for someone like you who's so used to kb/m.
ShadowsFell
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Oops wrong thread.
No I know you weren't. I was making fun of myself. I edited my post to clarify how the problem feels to me. I legit thought my sticks weren't working right, not the game.
FunkyDealer
Banned
The beta didn't have this "issue". Sorry pal.
SpartanSlayer117
Member
There is no Agenda, there is a problem with the aiming, 343 acknowledged it. Are some people taking it too far? Yes, sort of like your agenda theory. At least the people complaining about the game actually own it and played it.
Kssio_Aug
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Also, I'm kind of sick of all these bashing in every single Halo or 343 thread. This title should be changed.
They have not recognized it is broken just because they're gonna look into it.
For Christ sake... For many (and I totally agree) this is one of the best Halo games if not the best, especially gameplay wise! They also are shipping a game with way more content than what we use to get nowadays paying the same price. Also they listened to a lot of complaints since Halo 4 to bring Halo 5 as it is today. That's enough for me to say they're not those awful developers some people like to propagate here!
They have not recognized it is broken just because they're gonna look into it.
For Christ sake... For many (and I totally agree) this is one of the best Halo games if not the best, especially gameplay wise! They also are shipping a game with way more content than what we use to get nowadays paying the same price. Also they listened to a lot of complaints since Halo 4 to bring Halo 5 as it is today. That's enough for me to say they're not those awful developers some people like to propagate here!
This is the exact reason why people need to not blame the lack of aim assist on this minor, scapegoat of a bug.
RSB
Banned
Well, it's the lowest aim-assist since Halo CE, that's close enough to me, LOL (yeah, I know the feel of the aiming is not literally identical or anything) I still play Halo CE regularly too BTW (still the best)
lukeskymac
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gaming_noob
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Wow first page is sooo Neogaf.
I just want to know what the pro player argument for this design decision is. From reading reddit, I gather that it's better control at all ranges. I'm not really understanding how changing the aim acceleration and cap on each axis (and when combining the X and Y axes, moving the cursor on diagonals) helps this?
It's also hard to tell (from the example in the OP) that aim assist stickiness might help the issue. I've not played H5 so I don't know if there's aim assist in the MP or not.
Seems like a bit of a wacky decision to me. Would love to hear the actual designers talk about this instead of the pro team guys, honestly.
It's also hard to tell (from the example in the OP) that aim assist stickiness might help the issue. I've not played H5 so I don't know if there's aim assist in the MP or not.
Seems like a bit of a wacky decision to me. Would love to hear the actual designers talk about this instead of the pro team guys, honestly.
Subpar Scrub
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Honestly haven't noticed it, not sure if it's because I play on 8 sensitivity though.
Reckless Onion
Member
guess i just suck then
Pretty much how I feel about it.
Can't wait for them to "fix it" and people will still struggle.
343 acknowledged it? Or did they acknowledge they would look into it? Don't be fucking dense.
I don't owe you the time of day, junior, but i'll bite... the problem with aiming is not the same as the problem with another game (Uncharted 3). It's obvious from the OP. My agenda theory may be invalid, but I need not read 10 posts into this very thread to see a pattern repeat itself over and over again.
And as far as owning the game is concerned: you have not been around for long enough to have seen the Uncharted 3 broken aim thread. There was a very vocal
If the dense people in this very thread had their way UC3's aiming would still be broken, and they would gladly continue to push an agenda to defend their narrative. If its broken its broken, I hope they fix it. But please do not bring up UC3. It shouldn't make you feel better.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Fair enough. Hopefully they fix the problem.
the thread title needs changing. it's designed that way.
Jawmuncher
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Phat Michael
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How did the OP come up with that title from what was said?
The defence force is strong with this thread. I don't understand why people stick up for something which is actually proven to be an issue. A lot of people do have issue with the aiming, some don't, that's just how these things work. By fixing this, they're not suddenly going to destroy the aiming of those who don't have an issue.
Solving this can only be an improvement to the game overall. It's not the aim assist causing it, it's the jarring difference in sensitivity. Some people's minds are able to adapt to that just fine, others can't. For those who it does affect, you can't magically stop it being an issue unless it's solved in the game itself.
I personally know I have felt the issue since the moment I started playing, and it's an incredibly frustrating experience. Imagine feeling like you're battling with the sticks rather than other players. My buddies also all noticed and discussed the issue, but didn't pinpoint what it was. In fact one of my friends just bought a brand new 24 inch monitor because he thought it was the large TV causing him issues. Just because you don't feel the issue, doesn't mean there isn't an issue, and you certainly shouldn't try promote it not being solved for those which do have a problem.
Solving this can only be an improvement to the game overall. It's not the aim assist causing it, it's the jarring difference in sensitivity. Some people's minds are able to adapt to that just fine, others can't. For those who it does affect, you can't magically stop it being an issue unless it's solved in the game itself.
I personally know I have felt the issue since the moment I started playing, and it's an incredibly frustrating experience. Imagine feeling like you're battling with the sticks rather than other players. My buddies also all noticed and discussed the issue, but didn't pinpoint what it was. In fact one of my friends just bought a brand new 24 inch monitor because he thought it was the large TV causing him issues. Just because you don't feel the issue, doesn't mean there isn't an issue, and you certainly shouldn't try promote it not being solved for those which do have a problem.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I didn't think this could be a big deal but after watching it I am surprised it took this long to be noticed.
March of the Crabs
Member
Does change mean broken? Kind of a misleading thread title. Weird they'd change it, but it obviously was intentional. Controls change.
AusRoachman
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What sensitivity does everyone use ?
The Real Napsta
Member
Most people ITT are having trouble aiming because this game has less aim assist than previous entries in the series, not the aiming issue.
I use 4 sensitivity
superNESjoe
Member
It must be nice to just convince yourself that anyone who disagrees with you does so only because they are terrible.
I like H5's multiplayer a lot, but the aiming has felt "off"(?) to me since the first time I played it. Been playing since Halo 1 with the same core group of friends and our win ratio together online is above average. I won't say which one is our favorite because it's irrelevant and will only incite flaming, but I will say it's neither Halo 1 nor Halo 5 so that alone invalidates your point.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Hopefully they can get this sorted out quick. If the problem lingers into the Call of Duty/Battlefield period, the game will bleed more players than it would have.
Question:
Is it the actual Y axis that's slower than the X axis, or is it the diagonal movement?
Cause looking at that video it seems both X and Y axis are plenty fast, while the diagonal movement is too slow.
So is the intent for you to use the slow diagonal movement only when you adjust during long/medium range play to hit the head, while they want you to go say right->up->right to quickly put someone in your scopes?
Is it the actual Y axis that's slower than the X axis, or is it the diagonal movement?
Cause looking at that video it seems both X and Y axis are plenty fast, while the diagonal movement is too slow.
So is the intent for you to use the slow diagonal movement only when you adjust during long/medium range play to hit the head, while they want you to go say right->up->right to quickly put someone in your scopes?
The Real Napsta
Member
Halo 3 is your favorite.
The off topic stuff is getting really tiring from both sides.
I understand what they were going for, but per GavinGT's description of the problem, it seems like there is actually something unintentional going on besides a lack of aim assist. Halo 5 doesn't need to play or aim like other shooters, but in specific situations I don't understand why the sensitivity is changing on the fly.
I understand what they were going for, but per GavinGT's description of the problem, it seems like there is actually something unintentional going on besides a lack of aim assist. Halo 5 doesn't need to play or aim like other shooters, but in specific situations I don't understand why the sensitivity is changing on the fly.
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