Unless I'm mistaken... aren't 4K and UHD the same thing?
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HDR 4k TV sets with lowest input lag?
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Unless I'm mistaken... aren't 4K and UHD the same thing?
dr_rus
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OS support isn't there yet, not much HDR content to view on these monitors plus much higher general quality requirements for a screen sitting some 50cm from your eyes compared to a TV somewhere on the other side of the room. They'll get there.
Here's one of the first options: BenQ announces 32" 4K high dynamic range monitor. Will cost a fortune probably.
In the same way as 720p and HD is the same thing, yeah.
Rbk_3
Member
I bought a Samsung 6300 50 inch last week.
It says "HDR Premium" on the box.
What kind of HDR is this? Reliable information seems pretty hard to come by.
It will accept an HDR signal but will not display true HDR.
It only has a peak brightness of 430 nits and doesn't have a wide color gamut.
HDR requires 1000 nits minimum and a wide color gamut.
Okay thanks. Not really good for HDR then.
Art Vandilay
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Keep in mind that standard doesn't apply to OLEDs.
Because some people need to buy things now, not one or two years down the road with no guarantees anything will change or some new techology won't come that completely changes their purchasing decision again.
Some HDR and 4K is better than no HDR and 4k. Sure a lot of the cheaper sets aren't HDR 10/UHD Premium or Dolby Vision, but they are still going to be able to give you better image quality with their lowered version of HDR than nothing at all.
nikos
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My Sony 47W802A decided to die right before my PSVR arrives, so I'm scrambling to find a new TV. This TV has 17ms of latency in Game Mode, so it's going to be hard to beat. I play a lot of Street Fighter, so that's important to me. I think my top pick right now is the Samsung KS800. I've spent way too much money already this fall, so my budget is limited. If I can't swing the KS800, I may go with the KU6300 or, it scares me to say this, the Vizio P series. Still doing research, but it looks like Sony's current lineup's input latency is too high.
Fun fact, my older Samsung died right when the PS4 was released. That TV lasted about seven years. This Sony lasted about three. As much as I love Sony, I don't think I can go back. I called customer support tonight and was referred to their website. Guy wouldn't even tell me what the error code meant (I had to google it) and was extremely unprofessional. I felt like I placed a call to somebody's cell phone, who was on-call after-hours.
Fun fact, my older Samsung died right when the PS4 was released. That TV lasted about seven years. This Sony lasted about three. As much as I love Sony, I don't think I can go back. I called customer support tonight and was referred to their website. Guy wouldn't even tell me what the error code meant (I had to google it) and was extremely unprofessional. I felt like I placed a call to somebody's cell phone, who was on-call after-hours.
TyMiles2012
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Thought I'd bump this, but here's something I highly recommend checking out, especially for current UHD owners.
I use a VIZIO M55-C2 55" UHD 2015 model. Cost me $750 refurbished on Amazon after tax. I don't know if other TV's are like this, but if you have a UHD TV already, I HIGHLY recommend using all devices on the 4K@60hz port using a splitter. Even if they're 1.4 devices.
My TV has 5 HDMI ports, 1 and 2 are standard with HDCP 2.2, 3 and 4 just standard, port 5 is HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. My TV's manual said to have the lowest input lag, use a game system on that port with Game Mode enabled.
I already had a VERY noticeable difference to the naked eye and feeling of the controller, using a standard port felt like I was sliding on butter, but I decided to plug in my laptop, outputted at 1080p60hz and used a Sega Genesis ROM of 240p Test Suite on Kega Fusion (Genesis emulators always had very good input response)
Laptop plugged into HDMI Port 2 (Standard 1.4 with HDCP 2.2)
46.265ms average
Laptop plugged into HDMI Port 5 (4K60hz HDMI 2.0)
13.728ms average
Best result I've gotten during these tests, obviously on HDMI 2.0 port. The standard port I did 10 tests and got the average, I had to reduce the 2.0 port to 5 tests because it was so frustrating as I kept getting negative frames (Pressing too early)
Personally, the only drawback with this TV is that there's absolutely NO 240p support. Tried RF and composite, PSOne bios is 480i but as soon as a game boots up, black screen, no other 240p console boots unless I use an HDMI upscaler. Though discovering this, using a dedicated upscaler on this HDMI port will very likely yeild lower input lag than just using composite/RF. That's a different topic though.
I use a VIZIO M55-C2 55" UHD 2015 model. Cost me $750 refurbished on Amazon after tax. I don't know if other TV's are like this, but if you have a UHD TV already, I HIGHLY recommend using all devices on the 4K@60hz port using a splitter. Even if they're 1.4 devices.
My TV has 5 HDMI ports, 1 and 2 are standard with HDCP 2.2, 3 and 4 just standard, port 5 is HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. My TV's manual said to have the lowest input lag, use a game system on that port with Game Mode enabled.
I already had a VERY noticeable difference to the naked eye and feeling of the controller, using a standard port felt like I was sliding on butter, but I decided to plug in my laptop, outputted at 1080p60hz and used a Sega Genesis ROM of 240p Test Suite on Kega Fusion (Genesis emulators always had very good input response)
Laptop plugged into HDMI Port 2 (Standard 1.4 with HDCP 2.2)
46.265ms average
Laptop plugged into HDMI Port 5 (4K60hz HDMI 2.0)
13.728ms average
Best result I've gotten during these tests, obviously on HDMI 2.0 port. The standard port I did 10 tests and got the average, I had to reduce the 2.0 port to 5 tests because it was so frustrating as I kept getting negative frames (Pressing too early)
Personally, the only drawback with this TV is that there's absolutely NO 240p support. Tried RF and composite, PSOne bios is 480i but as soon as a game boots up, black screen, no other 240p console boots unless I use an HDMI upscaler. Though discovering this, using a dedicated upscaler on this HDMI port will very likely yeild lower input lag than just using composite/RF. That's a different topic though.
Because GPU vendors and Windows don't support it yet. Apparently Windows 10 support is coming in early 2017 and neither Nvidia or AMD drivers seem to support it yet despite the cards being capable hardwarewise.
Also I'd rather take high refresh rates over HDR any day. 4K @ 144 Hz should be coming to market next year but you'll need this year's GPU to support it over Displayport and probably a next year top end GPU to hit 60 fps at that resolution.
I'm also kinda hoping next year we would get some TVs that would support high refresh rates with possibly Displayport connectors. Probably a pipe dream as gamer-centered TVs seem to be something that just doesn't exist.
dr_rus
Member
Windows 10 support HDR10 since 1607/AU update.
How/Where can I tell what the input lag is for this TV? Can't even find out what year TV it is 😕.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...h-dynamic-range-black/5133600.p?skuId=5133600
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung...h-dynamic-range-black/5133600.p?skuId=5133600
MastAndo
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1080p @ 60Hz: 24.7 ms
1080p With Interpolation: 116.5 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 110.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz: 21.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR: 21.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR: 37.1 ms
from http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000
In summary, it does very well when it comes to input lag.
CollectedDust
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I've shared this in another thread but I think it is relevant here as well:
I got a Sony XBR55X700D today, and i can confirm it works in 4k HDR with both the xbox one S and PS4 Pro after the latest system updates (although you have to use HDMI 2 and 3).
Edit: this tv has 32ms lag with 4k and HDR turned on. So a little behind Samsung, but still an acceptable figure.
Ive tried uncharted 4 on a PS4 Pro and GeoW 4 on an X1s. As others have said, HDR makes a significant difference. I played around with turning it on and off, and all I can say is "wow".
Under the xbox one S advanced settings, the Tv showed up with check marks across the board for 4k 60hz 10-bit etc. I threw in my mad max UHD disk and even my wife was able to immediately see the difference with HDR (we previously viewed it on a 55" non-HDR 4k TV).
As someone that typically games on an 110" projector screen (1080P non-HDR), I'm going to take it game by game on where I play. I still have a standard X1 and PS4 hooked up to the projector. For games that don't have a big difference, I'm going to opt for the bigger screen and 7.2 speaker setup. For games with HDR and good pro support, I'll be using the 55" tv and sound bar combo. Not a bad setup to tie me over until true 4k HDR projectors are available for under 10k.
As a side note, I may have won the panel lottery: no bright spots, blotchyness, or pixel issues to report. After calibrating, I'm quite pleased with the picture. And this comes from an owner of the amazing Sony XBR-55X900A (which still looks better with non-HDR content).
I got a Sony XBR55X700D today, and i can confirm it works in 4k HDR with both the xbox one S and PS4 Pro after the latest system updates (although you have to use HDMI 2 and 3).
Edit: this tv has 32ms lag with 4k and HDR turned on. So a little behind Samsung, but still an acceptable figure.
Ive tried uncharted 4 on a PS4 Pro and GeoW 4 on an X1s. As others have said, HDR makes a significant difference. I played around with turning it on and off, and all I can say is "wow".
Under the xbox one S advanced settings, the Tv showed up with check marks across the board for 4k 60hz 10-bit etc. I threw in my mad max UHD disk and even my wife was able to immediately see the difference with HDR (we previously viewed it on a 55" non-HDR 4k TV).
As someone that typically games on an 110" projector screen (1080P non-HDR), I'm going to take it game by game on where I play. I still have a standard X1 and PS4 hooked up to the projector. For games that don't have a big difference, I'm going to opt for the bigger screen and 7.2 speaker setup. For games with HDR and good pro support, I'll be using the 55" tv and sound bar combo. Not a bad setup to tie me over until true 4k HDR projectors are available for under 10k.
As a side note, I may have won the panel lottery: no bright spots, blotchyness, or pixel issues to report. After calibrating, I'm quite pleased with the picture. And this comes from an owner of the amazing Sony XBR-55X900A (which still looks better with non-HDR content).
Nice. Thanks. I was putting the entire model number on that website and couldn't find shit. My mistake 😩.1080p @ 60Hz: 24.7 ms
1080p With Interpolation: 116.5 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 110.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz: 21.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR: 21.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR: 37.1 ms
from http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000
In summary, it does very well when it comes to input lag.
