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Is traveling to Japan dangerous due to radiation?
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MWS Natural
Member
As someone who works inside of a nuclear power plant this thread is HILARIOUS.
ATXAlchemy
Member
If you're already in Japan, definitely.
I liked it. Center of the Earth (or World, whichever it was) was my favourite.
Go early, and do that fast pass thing. Even if you're not planning to be a busy buddy and 'max out your time/rides', fast pass (and/or a plan) will definitely help reduce waiting time so you can lounge around anywhere you want rather than be stuck at one place.
Preferably, do not go on weekends or holidays.
StarCreator
Member
I have a friend who was in Japan when the quake hit and the Fukushima disaster occurred. She actually felt so strongly for the safety of all the pets that were left behind after the ensuing evacuation that she moved to the region to help care for them, and stayed for years. She never suffered any ill effect from the experience, despite actually living near the disaster zone (which you would have little reason to visit as a tourist). She eventually had to leave (for reasons unrelated to her health) but she continues to be perfectly healthy to this day.
If Japan was truly the nuclear wasteland you seem to be convinced it is, then my friend should have developed superpowers by now. Unfortunately for her, she is still one of us mundanes.
If Japan was truly the nuclear wasteland you seem to be convinced it is, then my friend should have developed superpowers by now. Unfortunately for her, she is still one of us mundanes.
*gasp*
Ken Watanabe visiting the areas affected by the earthquake.
Currently not airing on NHK but maybe keep a look out on it. It was a nice short documentary
Currently not airing on NHK but maybe keep a look out on it. It was a nice short documentary
Yeahm but at least you were THERE and trying to integrate with the culture (however clumsily).
When I was there the first night we ordered a Japanese hotpot and I was eartinng it whilst it was bubbling away on the table, thinking do the Japanese eat cold meat and raw onions?
Errr, yeah, it's meant to be cooked at the table. It was the only meal I've had that tastes BETTER as you eat more of it . . . . but then again everything in Japan is focusssed on this ideal, so I guess I stopped being surprised by it (but not by my stupidity).
Well OP is dead set on not going to Japan anyway, why even bother asking for our opinions? If you really want to go to DisneySea then just risk it and go. The facts say you're most likely not going to die, but don't whine about how you can't go because you're dead set on not going.
ATXAlchemy
Member
One story I heard was that one woman was affected and it wasn't her that showed any symptoms. Symptoms of those mutations started showing on her second daughter (third child).
I think the child's name was Araragi Tsukihi or something. She was on TV some years ago.
DrROBschiz
Member
while im not entirly surprised the ignorance surrounding radiation risk is a damn shame
Yup. K-40, Ra-226 and Th-222 to list the most common ones. Another thing to mention would be Rn-222 and Rn-220, that stuff just diffuses out of the ground straight into your home and your lungs.
Also, asditionally to the materials you built your homes with there's the terrestrial radiation. In certain parts of India and Brazil the radiation dose just from that can amount to 35 mSv per year. In Mombasa (Kenya) up to 105 mSv per year and Ramsar (Iran) 262 mSv per year. At this point reminder that the worst lifetime dose for Fukushima residents is estimated at ~20 mSv lifetime.
Oh ok I was hearing only 2 attractions for a full day's visit. That sounds awesome. It's definitely on my list. Thanks.
GuessMyUserName
Member
How do you read your own posts and not feel immediate disgust in yourself? Straight up pull shit out of your ass and proclaim nothing's going to change your mind?
Sora the Cat
Member
Hey, relax a little, OP might have some kind of OCD anxiety disorder or something, even if something seems rational and safe to you, that might not be the case to him. There's no need to call him stupid.
Edit: Ok yeah, he is being really obnoxious with his answers.
DrROBschiz
Member
Thank you
Not all radiation sources are graded the same. It gets .... complicated which is why ignorance of the subject is so widespread
Its a shame that media has failed to effectively educate the public aware from unnecessary scares.... Well not just the media. It doesnt help that governments still handle nuclear incidents as if the risks were higher than they actually are..
I don't understand why people are taking this so personally. Like they're personally offended that someone would dare question the safety of Japan. Is it just because it's Japan?
Like I doubt if I were asking if it was safe to visit whatever country Chernobyl is in, I'd be getting the same heated responses here.
Btw I just looked it up, and the Japan accident is on par with the Chernobyl incident. They're both the highest nuclear disaster rating possible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucle...s_and_incidents#Nuclear_power_plant_accidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale#Level_7:_Major_accident
HazySaiyan
Banned
Unless you take a bath in some funny looking water around Fukushima you'll be fine. You're exposed to radiation constantly, a long-haul flight exposes you to about as much radiation as chest X-Ray.
DigitalRicket
Member
Went to Japan last year for almost 3 weeks between Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto, and I can confidently say I was not irradiated. I don't glow in the dark. I don't turn green either and bulk up in a fit of rage only to wake up in purple shorts.
Alright you know what, it's probably better for everyone if you just stayed home. You win. Congratulations.
Wafflecakes
Member
No, its because science.
..but I guess the world needs anti science folks as well
no we don't
HazySaiyan
Banned
If you'd have asked if it was safe to visit Kiev because of Chernobyl then yes you would, because it's just as ridiculous.
DrROBschiz
Member
No dude
when it comes to radiation risk the specifics and the physics matter
What element, what half life it has, what type of radiation it emits. The volume and strength of its decay and radiation release
If you dive into the actual physics you would see a huge difference between the incidents. The first being that Chernobyl exploded from inside the containment while Fukushima's explosion was a gas explosion outside the containment vessel.
Yes Fukushima melted down but the dangerous transuranic material wasnt dispersed from the explosion
And it also matters not just what the dangerous element is but HOW you are exposed to it
Did you ingest it, stand next to it, etc
You are so ignorant that it really hurts.
Go and fucking educate yourself.
Just check of your Wagyu Beef didn't come from a three-eyed cow and you'll be fine.
No, seriously, you'll probably have more radiation from an x-ray then from a week in Japan. Unless you plan on visiting Fukushima offcourse.
It's perfectly save to visit Ukraine (unless for the civil war thingy around Crimea offcourse). You can even visit Chernobyl if you want to. Under guidance and with certain safety measures offcourse, but you can.
No, seriously, you'll probably have more radiation from an x-ray then from a week in Japan. Unless you plan on visiting Fukushima offcourse.
It's perfectly save to visit Ukraine (unless for the civil war thingy around Crimea offcourse). You can even visit Chernobyl if you want to. Under guidance and with certain safety measures offcourse, but you can.
And visiting Chernobyl is safe as well now, people visit it quite often, so what is your point?
Every time you get in a plane your are exposed to more cosmic radiation as there is less atmosphere above you to protect you from it. I wouldn't be surprised if that gave you a larger dose than visiting Japan.
Jezbollah
Member
You aren't going to like this news but in the 1980's some radiation thing happened....
I can say for certain that there were side effects that year in the south of England due to radiation. I used to know a friend who used to breed and race pidgeons. That year he had a very high amount of birth deformities. Never had them before, never since.
I don't know, you should go ask one of the dozens of thousands of people visiting Pripyat every year, nevermind the millions actually living in Ukraine and other contaminated countries in Europe.
I genuinely do get personally offended, and so I can't make a proper reply. Fear mongering of nuclear radiation during 3/11 and after did a lot of harm. I don't even get for what. People so afraid of cancer don't live standard Western lives.
DrROBschiz
Member
The issue is that the field of atomic physics and radiation is a diverse rabbit hole
The knowledge is accessible but the problem is that there is this mental barrier people form with it to the point that they just blindly accept "better assume the worse than investigate"
Many governments still operate on Linear No Threshold which is mind bogglingly dumb
Radiation is everywhere
The knowledge is accessible but the problem is that there is this mental barrier people form with it to the point that they just blindly accept "better assume the worse than investigate"
Many governments still operate on Linear No Threshold which is mind bogglingly dumb
Radiation is everywhere
SomedayTheFire
Member
yes you would lmao. that's just fucking absurd. your posts are all borne in ignorance.
family_guy
Member
You'll know when Godzilla surfaces.
StarCreator
Member
It's not because Japan. It's because you are sticking to a position born out of complete lack of knowledge of the situation, repeatedly citing things that are either proven to be politically motivated or taken out of context by the same sort of ignorant fearmongering you yourself have fallen into espousing. Furthermore, you are willfully ignoring all the people who are trying to point this out to you, while still somehow maintaining an air of superiority because apparently all the scientists in the world who actually study radiation are wrong about this and you are right because you can misuse Google to support your factually incorrect preconceptions.
Even if I didn't have a personal anecdote that flies in the face of all your assumptions about the level of danger in Japan, I'd still be offended by the sheer idiocy of it all.
DrROBschiz
Member
The irony being that cancer can just happen to anyone anytime a cell in your body divides
Cancer is another complicated thing that people should educate themselves on
GuessMyUserName
Member
You expect us to believe you're the slightest bit concerned about radiation when you're this wholly ignorant as a human being.
Don't come here.
TheRedSnifit
Member
It's unsafe to visit Ukraine for a variety of reasons, none of them being the radiation.
Have you checked out that radiation chart I posted on the first page?
Odds on this guy not even knowning what country Chernobyl is in? Of course it's safe (radiation wise) and you'd still be getting ridiculed.
Now you're just reaching for stuff to post-rationalise your decision, unaware that it's only exposing your own ignorance.
The IAEA ratings are incredibly broad and can encompass a wide range of incidents.
In reality, Fukashima released 10,000 terabecquerels. Chernobyl released 5,200,000 terabecquerels. And not even of the same material.
See the difference?
Patrick S.
Banned
I still can't believe this thread.
s_mirage
Member
No, I'd assume it's more because your posts appear really dumb and anti-science. You obviously don't know what you're talking about, but you clearly don't want to listen to anyone who doesn't support your preconceived views. You claim to not be an anti-vaxxer yet your logic is fundamentally the same as theirs.
Ukraine, it's in Ukraine, and I doubt many people here would be telling you to avoid it due to radiation. As has been posted, many people visit Pripyat and the Chernobyl area every year and they're not dropping down dead. That's not to mention the 45 million people living in the country.
SomedayTheFire
Member
what about the radiation the ground around him and the materials used generate?
Patrick S.
Banned
Dude, next thing you'll try and tell me Earth is round or something.
Of course it's because it is japan. See all the anime avatars coming at you? They're blind. Only you know the true risks.
The banned by the Chinese fishes are a true risk, don't believe this thread or your government.
crimzonflame
Member
What an embarrassing thread