orthodoxy1095
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Fire Emblem Echoes has a date (May 19) and Fire Emblem Warriors has a window (fall). Don't think the rest have a dates, and the SMT game isn't even a fully announced title as far as I know.
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It's 2017 and 3DS still has its foot on the competition's neck
- Thread starter Sammy Samusu
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I loved my 3ds .. it got stolen not that long ago.. I found one for cheap it's an xl so I'm getting that in the next couple of weeks.. but all this vita doom.. someone just made a thread about it... some of you people are harsh. Just mindless.. I don't get the hate. Now here argue with this don't quote me ..
Upcoming Vita Games (~200+ Upcoming games in ENGLISH) || 2017 Edition ||
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1329852
Upcoming Vita Games (~200+ Upcoming games in ENGLISH) || 2017 Edition ||
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1329852
rochellepaws
Member
Nintendo have consistently maintained the Switch is a home console and not in the same space as the 3DS and their game announcements seem to reflect that. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 3DS got a successor in a couple of years and the notion of the Switch being a hybrid and combining resources is completely bogus. 3DS were actually up last year so I don't think it's even in the winding down stage yet.
Magicpaint
Member
I'm always happy to get new games for platforms I already own. Switch is all potential -- the more software it has the more likely I'll buy one in the near future.
Both 3DS and Vita have surprisingly good stuff coming this year. I'm pleased considering the state of the dedicated handheld market an its future.
Both 3DS and Vita have surprisingly good stuff coming this year. I'm pleased considering the state of the dedicated handheld market an its future.
shouamabane
Member
3DS is an all time great.
It's a handheld, handheld's are the most viable (traditional) gaming devices in Japan currently, 3DS is a successful handheld that still sells well -> continued support. I mean, most of these aren't games you develop for PS4 or Wii U (let alone Xbone, lol), Switch hasn't even launched yet and 3DS is clearly the better option out of 3DS & Vita, so publishers can still push out a few last games for 3DS before they start seriously transitioning to Switch or other platforms past 2017.
And apart from Dragon Quest XI, Monster Hunter & maybe Pikmin, those are hardly the level of games that give a huge edge for 3DS over other platforms. Not to even mention we are never getting games like Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 outside Japan. Great for people who can speak the language, absolutely worthless to mention in 3DS offerings on a largely English forum where a majority of people have zero ability to understand the language (past maybe meme-y/extra common words like kawaiiiiiii~ and hai, hai, hai, hai, hai)
Soundslike
Neo Member
I dont have a 3ds and will get the switch, so for me every new 3ds release is irritating. But i totally understand the business side of why.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
Swan Song
Having spent most of my adult gaming hours on a 3DS,I couldn't agree more. I would have been OK if the switch had 3DS backwards compatibility and they rested 3DS for good.
Such an amazing library deserves better than 240p.
That's just marketing crap. Nintendo says the same about every new platform. "3DS is the third pillar", "DS doesn't replace GBA, it's a whole new kind of gaming device! Friendship is magic!" Just because there are still a few releases from Nintendo for 3DS (most of them which seem to be ports & remakes, spin-offs and shitty sports games, not a completely new major Zelda, Mario, Xenoblade or anything on the level of those), it doesn't mean that 3DS still has 5 more years or that it's definite proof that 3DS Advanced is a thing in 2-3 years while Switch will get shafted and not get handheld-y games.
This is just pretty usual for the most successful platforms. They still get quite a few heavy hitters the year their successor arrives + plenty of support from small publishers who have quick turn-around with their projects, it's often the year after that when things start to seriously wind down, especially as far as the heavy hitters go. Some publishers continue that support well into the life of the successor because there's more risk releasing niche games for platforms that might've not sold more than 1-3 million units vs. releasing it on a platform that is winding down but still has plenty of actively purchasing users a couple of years into the new generation and who are still on the look out for new games before they are ready to jump ship to the next generation.
Magicpaint
Member
I could tolerate 240p because the 3D visuals made it look cool, but yeah, BC that cleanly upscaled the 3DS games would have been nice on Switch. I will seriously miss stereoscopic 3D.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I'm not particularly surprised. The 3DS effectively has had the dedicated gaming handheld niche entirely to itself since day one (the Vita was never even briefly serious competition) so there's no reason for it not to have a lengthy lifespan, and Nintendo's still not publically willing to commit to the Switch as its 3DS successor in case it bombs. Plus, they still have a large and active player base that got reinvigorated by Sun and Moon, so it makes sense to continue serving that base rather than cutting them off immediately.
The GBA actually had many significant releases in 2005, some even in 2006, as well as a brand new model.
The GBA actually had many significant releases in 2005, some even in 2006, as well as a brand new model.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Barring an absolute failure on the Switch's part, yes, the Switch is replacing the 3DS. Half the point of the Switch was to consolidate their handheld and home console software and hardware teams. They internally reorganized around this. The idea being to focus only on a single platform, increasing the number of unique games due to no longer having to develop completely separate games for two different pieces of hardware. No more Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 or downports of Donkey Kong Country Returns and Hyrule Warriors to the 3DS, just "Mario Kart 9, playable at home or on the go!", etc.. Nintendo has already said this was a goal that inspired the design of the Switch, and we know for a fact their handheld and console hardware teams merged a few years back. So no, it's not gonna be bogus.
The only reason Nintendo keeps presenting the Switch as a home console and not a 3DS successor is the same reason Nintendo pretended the DS was a third pillar and not a successor to the GBA. It's to save face in the event it back fires and to have an "out". So sure, if the Switch fails miserably we may get a 4DS announced for 2019 or something, but if not the 3DS will go the way of the GBA - quietly phased out as its intended successor takes over entirely. Keep in mind, even for the GBA that took two years.
Which is why I'm glad Citra exists.
There was a thread on that topic on "Third Pillar" for the DS a few days ago. Internally, Nintendo developers weren't sold on the idea of dual screens. A bit of people though the idea was stupid; however, since it was Hiroshi Yamauchi's idea...well huh that name should alone should tell you why DS was launch...
You can't say on one hand that it wasn't really a third-pillar, and on the other hand that they kept the GBA around for ages. It was a third-pillar for a while, then another of the pillars went away.
I'm sure the 3DS will be phased out after the successful release of a pocket-sized Switch, but Nintendo aren't being disingenuous about keeping 3DS around for the time being. Nor are they trying to save face about dropping the WiiU for the Switch, by calling the Switch a home console they are admitting that the WiiU is history.
The only question in my mind is whether or not there will be a final hurrah for the 3DS in the form of a n3DS-Micro, as there was for the GBA. I could see some variation of that happening if the pocket-size Switch was still too far out from being produced at a reasonable price-point.
I'm with Jeff Gerstmann on this that the 3DS in general is more of hindrance to me getting more Nintendo games on my tv where I'd much, much rather play them.
As such, I can't help but feel that the 3DS' success kind of of helped ruin the Wii U's library for me and that I'm already fearing that it might do the same for the Switch's library despite its portable nature. Nintendo can't expect (Vita and) 3DS developers to jump ship if they keep offering them a more attractive (i.e. more well-spread and cheaper) platform to release games on. We have to make theswitch transition sometime unless we want to end up with yet another under-performing home console with a small library that is being overshadowed by a full handheld successor to 3DS at some point.
I get that many like playing on their 3DS but at least allow me to play these games on a tv now that the Switch can offer both options.
Edit: I see that some here bring up the "DS as third pillar lie" as an example but imo this is a different scenario. When the DS got announced, many did not want the GB(A) line to end because of the DS's unproven nature so them saying that the DS would be a third pillar served to reassure GB(A) fans. Now, many of us actually want the 3DS to be put to rest so it won't hold back the Switch and the supposed unified development and two play configurations it's got going for it as one of its biggest draws.
In that sense, lying about continued 3DS support makes less sense since they'd be telling a part of their customer base what they don't want to hear. Unless they actually believe that the larger part of their fanbase keeps playing Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter on 3DS because they want to and not because they don't have an alternative option. The only way to find out if that is actually true is to release said games on Switch as well to give people the option to play on tv (and of course to do effective marketing to avoid Wii U problems of people not wanting to jump ship because it seemed like a failed system from the start).
As such, I can't help but feel that the 3DS' success kind of of helped ruin the Wii U's library for me and that I'm already fearing that it might do the same for the Switch's library despite its portable nature. Nintendo can't expect (Vita and) 3DS developers to jump ship if they keep offering them a more attractive (i.e. more well-spread and cheaper) platform to release games on. We have to make the
I get that many like playing on their 3DS but at least allow me to play these games on a tv now that the Switch can offer both options.
Edit: I see that some here bring up the "DS as third pillar lie" as an example but imo this is a different scenario. When the DS got announced, many did not want the GB(A) line to end because of the DS's unproven nature so them saying that the DS would be a third pillar served to reassure GB(A) fans. Now, many of us actually want the 3DS to be put to rest so it won't hold back the Switch and the supposed unified development and two play configurations it's got going for it as one of its biggest draws.
In that sense, lying about continued 3DS support makes less sense since they'd be telling a part of their customer base what they don't want to hear. Unless they actually believe that the larger part of their fanbase keeps playing Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter on 3DS because they want to and not because they don't have an alternative option. The only way to find out if that is actually true is to release said games on Switch as well to give people the option to play on tv (and of course to do effective marketing to avoid Wii U problems of people not wanting to jump ship because it seemed like a failed system from the start).
Spiritwalker
Member
Don't forget Ever Oasis, that game looked really fun and charming last E3
Probably my most wanted handheld game atm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fsPHrBtzAw
Simmy racers have been a gaping hole on portables almost as a given. These consoles have been strong enough to make an at least decent portable experience. Hopefully with the Switch we might get something in this regard but I'm not expecting anything.
Also FAST is coming to switch on day 1!
240p wasn't even that good in 2011 when it released.
I love my 3ds too, but claiming there isn't any good arguments against why 240p is too low at this point is just wilfully ignoring them and proceeding to claim they aren't there.
Oh come on, aren't you getting tired of these really out-dated visuals by now?
Donniewahlberg
Banned
For sure dude, it looks so good! The only thing I'd like in addition to what we've seen is some sort of multilayer content? The game seems ripe for it but as is, it does look fantastic.
I totally get people wanting new 3ds things to appear on the switch as well, but I don't really get the calls for the 3ds to die entirely. It's still a great system a lot if us enjoy. The safety of the 3ds is probably what's allowing a lot of the projects on the switch to happen right now.
Why not do switch edition of FE echoes, or the Pikmin game too or have one SMT project only on 3ds? I don't know, I imagine a lot of discussion went into these things and at a certain point the reality is these games were built with 3ds in mind or would come off too poorly visually to straddle as a cross release as well? I don't know. It might seem common sense that all games should now be switch exclusive or both but the reality of that would probably not be as pleasing. Plus if everyone just buys the 3ds version of a game on both every time, that might cause an issue in itself.
Idk. I just know I really like my 3ds and the switch looks great. I view them as different by having different specs, features like strert pass and one vs two screens, and I'm perfectly happy getting bespoke content for both but appreciate who solely see switch as an improvement and not an alternative might see that different. The market will decide whether there is an audience for one or both anyway and devs will have to react accordingly. Imo at widely different price points and feature sets there can be both and games for both, but I'm not very spec bothered in these judgments. Can't say 240p ever bothered me haha
For some of us the answer is genuinely no. The clarity on the switch looks awesome but it just doesn't bother me the other way around, the res on the 3ds.
The 3D effect is 800X240...That wasn't a bad resolution in early 2011 for system that was rumored to be released late 2010. IIRC, phone the first 720p phone were released in 2011. Also, the tech wasn't there to drive anything higher during that time period. Even the Vita doesn't run all of its games at its native resolution at 960x544p...
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You must not have been around for the original Gameboy.
clarknova156
Member
Check back in 2018 and we will see a very different list. Favoring the Switch.
killatopak
Member
Have you heard of the ps2? It was still getting game long after the ps3 was released.
It's perfectly fin since it has a big player base and companies profit from that compared to a hypothetical playerbase the switch has.
It's perfectly fin since it has a big player base and companies profit from that compared to a hypothetical playerbase the switch has.
It's still missing el capitan todd.
Devilgunman
Member
It's worrisome, isn't it? So much for "Nintendo unified Platform" I've been expecting. Everything we've seen on the Switch so far are console focused. There is 0 game that looks like a traditional handheld game.
calc84maniac
Member
Snipperclips is a game. Also Puyo Puyo Tetris. Octopath Traveler is on the same level as Bravely Default, I guess. Is Bomberman console focused?
Spieler Eins
Member
uh, nice map packs to throw out at the end of a gen cheaply and all. But have you actually seen the competition this year?
The_Endgamer
Member
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Yes I can say it, lol. They kept the GBA around a while as an emergency rip-cord, and the marketing speak intentionally allowed for the possibility of a true GBA successor without going back on their claims if the DS failed, but the long term plan was never to have three pillars. Just like how right now they aren't planning in the long term to have a distinct handheld and home console. They'll do it for now for obvious reasons, but barring a huge Switch failure the intent is that it will all be merged going forwards.
