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Killzone Shadow Fall Multiplayer Impressions - PAX Prime
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No it's just a fallacy
You don't know that. The build being shown probably isn't the final or most recent build. They likely have another one in testing and current development.
megaspiderweb
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLk8-EleJ6M
More offscreen footage, looks very colourful
More offscreen footage, looks very colourful
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Oh shit! Operations like cutscenes after the match!
Portugeezer
Member
Looks like an animation when you get close to walls, probably to stop that weird tiny gun effect in FPS's when you get close to walls.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Right, and that always puzzled me because in KZ1 they had two side arms, the ISA semi auto pistol and the Helghast machine pistol, in KZ2 they axed the semi auto pistol and changed the machine pistol (3 round burst) into a semi auto. I just think they should have just left them alone and kept both in the first place. Like Lugers SMG showing up in KZ3 as a machine pistol.
Reminds me of the airport level in COD turned up to 20. One of my fave maps in that game, bodes well for KZ too.
Facism
Member
yuck, player trying to ADS for EVERYTHING. Man standing on your toes? ADS.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Game looks beautiful. I can't wait to play this.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Lol at the ending cinematic. WTF was that haha.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
nah this game is looking like what KZ3 should have been, the only reason your drawing cod comparisons is probably becasue everyone playing it are playing it like they would COD, wait until the actual true fans of the franchise get a hold of it, it'll be just like old times (I hope) any word of clan matches and valor system returning
megaspiderweb
Banned
Yeah i also thought that was comical
velociraptor
Junior Member
This looks exactly like COD.
C'mon GG, give us the KZ2 style gameplay.
C'mon GG, give us the KZ2 style gameplay.
megaspiderweb
Banned
Exactly my impression, most people seem to just want to rake in their kill counts instead of reviving their team mates and using their abilities and they seem to reload every minute just like you would see in a COD game. I hope GG brings Killzone 2 clan system so we can really have those Clan Wars/Tournaments that went on forever, they should also introduce a leader board for clans which would make everyone want to join a clan and be at the top
Facism
Member
I feel the same way.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I won't comment on the TC's fps comments but I think it's rather pre-mature to be using your eyes to put a number on things. For an unfinished game, it already looks stellar an this is just the multiplayer.
I'm glad they're not spoiling the story even though people will want to see some SP to wet their appetite.
I'm glad they're not spoiling the story even though people will want to see some SP to wet their appetite.
Acquiescence
Member
Since when the hell did Shadow Fall start looking like Mirror's Edge lol. No wonder I'm interested in this game.
Kenshin001
Member
Looked kind of fun I guess. Wasn't hugely impressed. Didn't see one revive, one spawn drop, one turret build and it seemed a lot faster. Pretty much nothing that distinguished it from CoD really. Even the map looked like something from CoD or BF.
The cutscene at the end was pretty funny.
The cutscene at the end was pretty funny.
TimeEffect
Member
At the end of the game, the top player on the winning team can perform a move on the top player on the losing team.
That top player didn't press the button, or must have missed it, so the other player retaliated the humiliation lol.
Kenshin001 said:
This infuriates me too. Most of the abilities, especially for assault, are selfish. They don't go primarily towards teamwork. Stuff like wallhacks are just such an offputting addition. With no more ammo boxes, there is no need for Engineers to control the map. With seemingly regenerative health, there is no need for medpacks. Look how quickly from when the person dies they can spawn again. Who cares about death? Or reviving? You die, you can seemingly spawn back real quick. Run, gun, ADS, run, gun, ADS.
ADS is really pissing me the f off. I don't want Killzone to be a run and gun like that.
Lots of recoil, timed shots, crouching to make your aim better... doesn't seem any of that is there.
Yeah yeah "they'll add recoil", but I doubt it's going to be satisfactory.
Always-honest
Banned
I have the same red-ish wooden floor
Doesn't anybody else think the "see everybody behind walls" mode is immersion breaking?
At the very least, they should look like blobs should be very much blurred based on distance and (maybe the amount of walls between, power of the GPUGPU). If they really have to add it at least. Maybe dim out if the subject is not moving anymore etc, and it should only be on for a very, very brief amount of time. Objects further away / that are moving slowly would be presented with vague signals, while things closer and moving fast would be represented with clearer signals. You keep the tension high, and it would be more realistic, because of science!
edit: This is also what I thought The Last Of Us should have employed. I think a "blobby" overlay could have been very easily done with teh powah of the cell and for Killzone SF, the PS4. It would look much more plausible, much less invasive, and would keep the tension higher (not sure what exactly is behind the wall, or the EXACT spot of it based of the distance)
At the very least, they should look like blobs should be very much blurred based on distance and (maybe the amount of walls between, power of the GPUGPU). If they really have to add it at least. Maybe dim out if the subject is not moving anymore etc, and it should only be on for a very, very brief amount of time. Objects further away / that are moving slowly would be presented with vague signals, while things closer and moving fast would be represented with clearer signals. You keep the tension high, and it would be more realistic, because of science!
edit: This is also what I thought The Last Of Us should have employed. I think a "blobby" overlay could have been very easily done with teh powah of the cell and for Killzone SF, the PS4. It would look much more plausible, much less invasive, and would keep the tension higher (not sure what exactly is behind the wall, or the EXACT spot of it based of the distance)
ReplacementPelican
Member
This video looks like a step back from the MP press footage off of the Sony website. First of all the dithering/aliasing problems that we've heard about with the foliage and then secondly the fact there isn't any recoil.
Question being, why would this be an older build than what we've seen released?
Question being, why would this be an older build than what we've seen released?
GG knows what they are doing. KZ3 had spotting through walls like this but it could be countered easily. Just have a marksman with a jammer and done.
H_Prestige
Banned
Looks like a typical FPS. If you told me this was Crysis or COD I wouldn't doubt you.
What are the objectives here? I don't see any sort of teamwork. It also seems like GG is continuing the trend of abilities turning you into super soldiers like in KZ3. In KZ2, aside from the assault boost pill, every ability was meant to help the team in some way (spawn nades, turrets, health packs, revive, etc). Currently uninterested.
What are the objectives here? I don't see any sort of teamwork. It also seems like GG is continuing the trend of abilities turning you into super soldiers like in KZ3. In KZ2, aside from the assault boost pill, every ability was meant to help the team in some way (spawn nades, turrets, health packs, revive, etc). Currently uninterested.
Kenshin001
Member
I hated it the moment I saw it in SP. Not sure what they were thinking with that addition. I guess it's the progression from spot and mark?
The map looks amazing, so much colour ( not just outside, but the blue, green and red walls/ screens indoors)
It doesn't look like it will offer the KZ2 feel YET, but I am sure playing it will be different when playing ( probably be more like KZ3 anyway)
And yes, KZ is the type of game were you DON'T ADS all the time ( well KZ2)
LOL at the end, so perfect.
It doesn't look like it will offer the KZ2 feel YET, but I am sure playing it will be different when playing ( probably be more like KZ3 anyway)
And yes, KZ is the type of game were you DON'T ADS all the time ( well KZ2)
LOL at the end, so perfect.
Because stability. Come on guys this is simple stuff. You have a playable multiplayer demo you are going to want to put out a stable build, not a build that was done yesterday that could cause problems.
My concern isn't exactly about balancing it.. It looks really out of place, to be able to see VERY clear silhouettes of enemies even very far away, behind several walls, without noise. It kind of ruins the immersion for me. It should have been very hard to differentiate moving "flesh" from a moving tree branch for example. Such solutions would always come with extremely high noise. Thinking too much into it, I know, but my proposed "solution" would be much more interesting, both by keeping tension and looking more plausible.
My feelings exactly. I remember the feeling of sadness when I saw the green clear silhouette behind the rocks, half of the enemy in the clear, half of him behind rocks and green, you'd always see the enemy very clearly. It's much more defined compared to spot and mark, to the point that it looks silly to me.
ReplacementPelican
Member
Thank you for the reply and explanation, I was only asking though. I asked because it seemed like what they were playing was stable enough.
Glad to know/assume that most of these issues could already be sorted out though.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
This looks good, but that wall hack needs to go; fix this shit GG.
Wait you do realize the green silhouettes are your team mates right?
The red silhouettes are the enemies and they only show up when someone uses the spot ability and that is now very slow and the radius is not that big at all.
You can't expect teamwork or intelligent play in a showfloor demo. Of course people are going to play everything like straight TDM.
They seem confident in their ability to lock the framerate so I'm not going to worry about that aspect. I just want them to continue to work on balancing the weapons.
They seem confident in their ability to lock the framerate so I'm not going to worry about that aspect. I just want them to continue to work on balancing the weapons.
Sorry for mixing the colours, I'm more opposed to how cleanly the whole thing is presented, in a manner that breaks the immersion.
You can turn off all abilities so no problem, just make a Warzone without the spotting and if people enjoy it they will play like that.
Personally I don't have a problem with all the HUD elements like the silhouettes. Just take a look at all the characters head gear. They all wear some sort of high tech helmet goggle combo. It makes sense you will have access to these futuristic features, it fits within the world.
Im finding those death animations very freaking satisfying in this video, like makes me want to go full on John Mclane and unload a full clip on some fools while playing this lols.
Thanks for the link.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
like the spot and mark from KZ2
More like the S&M from KZ3 since it works through walls. Though this time the detection is super slow and the radius doesn't seem to be as big. Good improvements to the system in my eyes.
Evolution_1ne
Banned
yeah not playing any lobbies with that shit enabled, is their any way to counter it, like in KZ2 spot and mark only worked for people you actually saw
RyanardoDaVinci
Member
I hate wallhacks in every game I've played except for Metal Gear Online, the SOP system made it make sense and it worked very well. There were the skills that lit up the enemy that you shot/shot you for a few seconds, and the Enemy Locators that were very balanced because: they were stationary; the radius was fair; they took the place of your grenades; you only had 2 (3?) per spawn.
The wallhack should only have a radius of about 15ft, it looks to be around 25ft in this.
The wallhack should only have a radius of about 15ft, it looks to be around 25ft in this.
TimeEffect
Member
I think spot and mark also exists, at least I hope. The radial scan is good for CQC and smaller maps. Spot and scan is for proper scanning the battlefield.
These abilities used to be simple but effective and predominantly structured around teamwork. There is less of that now more than ever.
Even if you can edit these out, It's clear from what they are presenting that the main modes will utilize all of these honor badges and ability upgrades. I hope I'm wrong.
I can understand using the radial scan to spot invisible enemies. But I'm not feeling the constant use of it in CQC. I really hope abilities don't 'reset' after you die. That would just make these more annoying. Do it like a MOBA.
These abilities used to be simple but effective and predominantly structured around teamwork. There is less of that now more than ever.
Even if you can edit these out, It's clear from what they are presenting that the main modes will utilize all of these honor badges and ability upgrades. I hope I'm wrong.
I can understand using the radial scan to spot invisible enemies. But I'm not feeling the constant use of it in CQC. I really hope abilities don't 'reset' after you die. That would just make these more annoying. Do it like a MOBA.