Baleoce
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yup, and hopefully they're able to come up with a means of revitalising it in order to make it sell well.
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Kimishima: Young Generation of Nintendo Developers to Lead Forefront of NX and Mobile
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yup, and hopefully they're able to come up with a means of revitalising it in order to make it sell well.
Fear the old blood, Verendus!
That's what I was thinking. We knew that Iwata put a shit-ton of new stuff in place for the future before he died. This is likely one of those things.
slavesnyder
Member
Why does Nintendo suddenly make sense?
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
DrROBschiz
Member
Im sure all the "old guard" at Nintendo have been cultivating talent for YEARs already
Its just nice to see that they are finally putting this talent in charge
Its very exciting for all involved! I imagine Miyamoto himself is ecstatic to see what the young uns come up with
Its just nice to see that they are finally putting this talent in charge
Its very exciting for all involved! I imagine Miyamoto himself is ecstatic to see what the young uns come up with
TheMoon
Member
Bit of a random note but about the young developers stepping to the forefront now, I just got reminded of this when I beat my remaining unfinished Twilight Princess Wii save on Sunday and watched the credits. Tsubasa Sakaguchi did character design in that game. Last year he was one of the faces of Splatoon as co-director. Aya Kyogoku was one of two writers for Twilight Princess, these days she's running the Animal Crossing series. That's why I love checking these credits so much, it's fun following these people and seeing them take on new roles.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Correction on this, EAD Tokyo was pressured to make Super Mario Galaxy easier after criticism that Super Mario Sunshine failed to meet sales expectation because it was too complex and difficult. At some point in development Miyamoto basically said okay you guys can make it a little more difficult by doing this. If anything, management was attempting to correct a guideline given to the development team. Whether you idolize or demonize Miyamoto for his overlord position of software development that past 20 years or so, its evident to at least recognize a fundamental disconnect between a 60+ year old man and contemporary game design. But I dont think it was ever a good idea to have all or even the majority of software development to adhere to Miyamotos ethos or guidelines. A variety of ideas would only benefit the company.
GregLombardi
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I agree with this fundamentally, though I will say that critically, Nintendo games crafted with the hand of Miyamoto are almost always strictly better. Good game design has been forgotten in favor of profit in all aspects of this industry.
That's why I don't really think it's really all that beneficial to start naming the SPD studios individually, since staff moves around so often between projects. It's a very different situation from the likes of their external studios like Monolith Soft and Retro.
People have tried to do the same thing with Japan Studio for Sony, only to find out that it works the same. There's really no Team Ico or Team Siren in a strict sense.
This I never heard. What's the story here? Miyamoto made a game LESS for babies? Dumbing down games for the idiot masses seems to be his gimmick over the last 10 years. He did it with Twilight Princess.
Maintenance
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F-Zero, Metroid? Bwahaha, please. Don't be delusional, they are basically dead. You'll get Federation Force and clones like Fast Racing Neo at best.
Glass Rebel
Member
And Kimishima is keeping that course so he's cool in my book.
Jesus, it's not like I'm taking away from Iwata's accomplishments.
All this talk of maps, and yes Nintendo has been disappointing in this regard lately. That said, they've been getting better. SM3DW is better than SM3DL and SMG2 in this regard. I would love if they did a 2D style map of the quality of SMW again, though. The modern world maps are highly functional with little artistic cohesion. Nintendo has definitely been trending that way, pleasant art but limited vision with good fundamentals. I want good fundamentals and strong centralized vision again.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
F-Zero might be but Metroid is not dead.
There'll be future mainline games of that series.
TheMoon
Member
You really should play NSMBU. They did the exact thing you want there already.
You seem to misread this as "Kimishima's Nintendo" when this is still "Iwata's Nintendo as performend by Kimishima." Iwata already "got it" and the results of that is what you're seeing now.
To be fair, most of these changes were likely put into motion by Iwata before he died. Kimishima is probably just carrying out Iwata's wishes (& maybe doing a few things of his own along the way).
fabricated backlash
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best NX news so far. Honestly, after Splatoon it is more than clear that the "new" guys are more than ready to introduce us to a whole new, yet familiar Nintendo library.
It's been obvious for quite some time that Miyamoto and Co have been grooming their successors and from the looks of it, this is the best time to pass the torch.
And since Nintendo designs their hardware in conjunction with their game design, this means we're going to be seeing a new direction for hardware as well.
It's been obvious for quite some time that Miyamoto and Co have been grooming their successors and from the looks of it, this is the best time to pass the torch.
And since Nintendo designs their hardware in conjunction with their game design, this means we're going to be seeing a new direction for hardware as well.
This :]
You really should play NSMBU. They did the exact thing you want there already.
The SMW map is more dynamic in how the map changes.
The NSMB map is very static in that regard.
Annoying Old Party Man
Member
It's weird that "younger" developers have taken over, actually means that some mid-forties to fifty years old guys are now running the company, because that's what's happening: Koizumi, Eguchi and the rest are not what you would call young, at all.
These guys will also have to start looking for successors in 5-10 years, and I'm wondering what the new guard at Nintendo actually is. It seems like Splatoon came to be from a generation of developers under these guys, but again, not sure what their actual age is - new blood comes from the 20something people, not from 40 year olds.
These guys will also have to start looking for successors in 5-10 years, and I'm wondering what the new guard at Nintendo actually is. It seems like Splatoon came to be from a generation of developers under these guys, but again, not sure what their actual age is - new blood comes from the 20something people, not from 40 year olds.
I did play NSMBU. I enjoyed that game a lot; it is part of what I meant when I was saying Nintendo was moving back towards a world map I want.You really should play NSMBU. They did the exact thing you want there already.
That said, SMW's map felt organic and like it was a cohesive world despite having forest world, cave world, cookie world, etc. That feeling is still missing from SM3DW and NSMBU.
I want things like the bridge and waterfall levels again, which were both clever levels and made sense on the world map. U and 3D world presented the artifice of their world in a detailed and connected way that failed to obscure the artifice to me.
Strange gripe perhaps, but I've always had a "thing" for beautiful maps in games and real life as well as the various imaginary worlds I drew as a child
.I'm not impatient. I just prefer clicking on a map and starting a level right away instead of running up a set of stairs, jumping into a pipe, to get inside a room to jump into a painting before I get to start a level.
One way is faster than another. What I like about Mario games are the controls and the platforming and those parts shine in the main levels. Put me there right away, please.
yep. miyamoto and kondo saved the game from being even more of a baby game for babies.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/super_mario_galaxy/0/0
he took the criticism of nsmbds being a baby game for babies to heart
http://www.mtvu.com/on-campus/video...s-you-to-know-about-new-super-mario-bros-wii/
and then by the time he had his hands all over super mario galaxy 2
http://www.1up.com/news/super-mario-galaxy-2-challenging
Pretty much this.
foxuzamaki
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Classic agism at its finest
Wandering Robot
Member
I'm optimistic at all this, but I guess the question is what happens besides Iwata's last directions. Kimishima seems cool, but only time will tell where else Nintendo heads...
Fourth Storm
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I did play NSMBU. I enjoyed that game a lot; it is part of what I meant when I was saying Nintendo was moving back towards a world map I want.
That said, SMW's map felt organic and like it was a cohesive world despite having forest world, cave world, cookie world, etc. That feeling is still missing from SM3DW and NSMBU.
I want things like the bridge and waterfall levels again, which were both clever levels and made sense on the world map. U and 3D world presented the artifice of their world in a detailed and connected way that failed to obscure the artifice to me.
Strange gripe perhaps, but I've always had a "thing" for beautiful maps in games and real life as well as the various imaginary worlds I drew as a child
Not strange at all. I feel the same way. Super Mario World's map has yet to be topped. It's so much more than just a bunch of different zones stitched together.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Pretty much this.
SinCityAssassin
Member
The regard is not the direct staff that help create the games, which is what the young proteges heading Splatoon were, but that now relatively newer heads who once worked under Miyamoto are now calling the shots with their own viewpoints on what can be games under Nintendo's repertoire.
Miyamoto is more a manager of managers, or he was before he stepped aside as GM. He wasn't tinkering with games and making them shitty. Once in awhile he stepped in with advice and that's it.
If the Paper Mario Sticker Star team made a shitty game, that's on them.
The entire reason he wanted to step aside was so he could go back to actually making his own games.
If the Paper Mario Sticker Star team made a shitty game, that's on them.
The entire reason he wanted to step aside was so he could go back to actually making his own games.
Strange gripe perhaps, but I've always had a "thing" for beautiful maps in games and real life as well as the various imaginary worlds I drew as a child
I did that too! Drew top down maps of imaginary islands. Now I don't feel so weird lol
Anyway, I was reading the OoT 3D Iwata Asks the other day and it was interesting to hear about the way the developers worked and the influence of Miyamoto. It's certain that he's greatly influence all the younger developers' approaches to game making even if they also have their own styles.
I don't really have any expectations but it's inevitable that new people will eventually be promoted into roles previously held by Miyamoto, Takeda, Tezuka etc. All I want are great games!
yanipheonu
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You know, a console that has a strong second screen experience using mobile, and can even be taken around with your phone, sounds super cool to me.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Indeed. Miyamoto was interfering way too much on the whole company's creative freedom and forcing everyone to go according to this beliefs. This was negative because variety was severely backed down with this direction. Miyamoto was advocating against many things there were more and more becoming a standard on the gaming industry like story driven games, T-M rated titles, online play, hardware power and even deep, core based gameplay. Second-parties and publishing partners complained about Miyamoto's interference in the N64 days, like Rare, DMA Design and the original Retro Studios. Also, internal studios, like Brownie Brown, were gutted under his management to become mostly development partners and work on spinoffs and small projects. He also failed to proper expand Nintendo's internal teams, as they weren't able, since the GCN days, to proper support both platforms at once, as he relied too heavily on small teams.
Basically, he wanted to have an autocratic rule over the company, which in fact he did. I hope with this new direction, they let everyone to work more freely and try new stuff. Splatoon was a good start.
Boy Wander
Member
You write all of this as fact, when actually, you've put together what few tenuous anecdotal accounts exist and presented them as gospel truth as to what Miyamoto "wants".
TreasureHunterG
Banned
What are those "tenuous anecdotal accounts"? Care to be more specific?
HD port of galaxy 1, more bloom effects- mario has a new hat; $79.99 thanks
"goty, not stagnant at all!!"
Dog Pile on the Rabbit
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New hat, huh? These young'ins are ballsy as fuck.
Holy Order Sol
Member
People do that all the time with various big names and drop them to make it like they know how shit works behind the scenes and who does what, when they don't.
James Scott
Banned
Would be cool if they managed to get Sakurai to work at EAD (or whatever it's called now).
Just give him lots of money to make a game he wants to make. Don't lose him to the competition
Just give him lots of money to make a game he wants to make. Don't lose him to the competition
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I think Miyamoto should focus on creating any game he wants, and the newer generation focusing on the hardware and bringing Nintendo into a new generation. This is exciting news, and I can't wait for the NX. There's nothing quite like a Nintendo game so I wish them a huge success with the NX.
For Nintendo this is probably a good move financially, but I personally dont really like it at all. Today, Nintendo is the last of its kind, making a certain type of games with very retro-sensibilities, and I dont want them to change from that. With new leadership, they can keep creating those games, but there is also the risk that they go more in the same direction as the rest of the industry, which would make Nintendo less unique, and frankly, less interesting imo.
But at the same time, the young talent might want to bring back dead Nintendo IPs like F-Zero.
Newer Nintendo devs also made Splatoon, which was a huge hit.
Yes because the older Nintendo employees haven't passed on their ways of thinking and game development all this years. You're a product of your environment and when you're working around guys like Miyamoto, Koizumi, Aonuma, etc you know what Nintendo is all about (tight controls, fun, colorful, framerate is king, etc.)
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Their philosophy behind game design is probably the same as the older generation but the newer generation HOPEFULLY understands the need for Nintendo systems to be comparable/competable with the top competition (things like universal account systems, good online infrastructures, etc.). This is the type of thing the older generation has not understood within Nintendo.