Nah my fault, I misread. I believe the reason for that is likely because Ryse was already a partly developed product back before the XBO launch, it was in development for 7 years prior to that. Microsoft wanted a high-quality XBO game quickly for launch, so Crytek with an already developed product had more leverage to retain the IP at that point. Microsoft just needed a quick game, arguing over IP might not have been feasible then.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Kotaku: Crytek Not Paying Staff On Time, Ryse Sequel Dropped
- Thread starter Nibel
- Start date
Nah my fault, I misread. I believe the reason for that is likely because Ryse was already a partly developed product back before the XBO launch, it was in development for 7 years prior to that. Microsoft wanted a high-quality XBO game quickly for launch, so Crytek with an already developed product had more leverage to retain the IP at that point. Microsoft just needed a quick game, arguing over IP might not have been feasible then.
Is there another series that offers semi-realistic combat scenarios and set in ancient Rome? I'd love to see more of this type of game as long as they worked on variety of enemies, ability to wield different weapons, and more open environment for exploration.
Done heard it all now, brehs.
Opinions and all that, I get it, but some of the Ryse love around here is insane to me. The Heavenly Sword comparison is spot on.
Kratos has overstayed his welcome for me. The series hasn't innovated on anything since the original, it just gets shinier. This coming from a big fan of the first, second, and Chains of Olympus (RAD did such a great job, it's why I still have hope for The Order). GoW3 looked spectacular, as did Ascension, but good lord was I bored.
EDIT: I'd take a new Heavenly Sword over a new GoW as well. Give it to SSM so they could work on that universe for a change.
Oh, my mistake then. I thought Nordic was rebranded into Crytek USA?
Most of the employees were just hard working developers with no creative decision making. They also spent a lot of crunch time to finish the game. The game did look bad, but that doesn't mean the entire team should suffer.
Stone Ocean
Member
But there's nothing really remarkable about it. It's just a generic hack n slash system with execution fluff.
The game was panned by the media and didn't sell remarkably well. A decent-ish combat system is not potential.
But you want the type of game, not the IP per se. MS can just do another hack n slash set in Rome and have no need for the IP.
Chobel
Member
SolidSnakex
Member
Conjecture based on a particular fondness for a title in no way infers potential. If they want a Xbox game set in Rome that actually had potential they should make Gladius 2, not Ryse 2(If we are going on potential), since both critics and users on the whole found the game to be of good quality. Just because I liked Chronicles of Riddik doesn't mean the movie has potential(unfortunately my point was proven with the last one) for a good sequel.
But there is nothing stopping MS or any other company from making a game like this without the Ryse IP, and arguably would do better then having the IP attached to its name if it was of good quality.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
More surprised about how many people are upset about the Ryse sequel getting axed. If anything this explains why, to me at least, it felt like such a rushed (bad) experience.
Triggerhappytel
Member
They will exist in some form, but their divisions will probably be separated and sold off to other companies and publishers. I'd like Crytek USA (formerly Vigil Games) to go to Sony, as I think Darksiders II had a lot of good ideas which would work well in a God of War instalment.
Isn't that what unions are for? On the other hand, is there anything legal recourse can do if the company has literally no money with which to pay the staff?
Would there be a place for him at SSM any more? Development on the next GoW must be going ahead which means they have a director, so would Papy be prepared to move back to California and go back into a lesser role?
Do you mean stubbornly? Besides, that was probably a condition of EA being the publisher; it's not Crytek's fault.
Far Cry is nothing to do with them any more. The sold the whole brand to Ubi about seven years ago, along with I believe the option to develop their own engine based off of CryEngine (which became Dunia).
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Just bought Ryse yesterday for like 20$. And hollyshit man, this game is so underrated. I am almost close to finish. Its short but amazing. This would be shame if we get no sequel to the game. Though I am not sure how it ends, but still I am loving what I am seeing so far.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I can't handle this praise for Ryse's pedestrian, boring, kiddie-pool shallow gameplay anymore. Crazy to me! But, opinions are opinions of course.
Hopefully Scalebound will show people what an action game is *actually* supposed to play like!
Oh I completely agree with you on Ryse's gameplay, I'm just an absolute sucker for the time period and it being so damn pretty didn't hurt. I was really hoping we'd get a sequel with massive improvements on the gameplay front, but perhaps Crytek wouldn't be the best option for that. I'd love to see MS buy it and give it to Platinum Games because I know it would be top notch gameplay wise, but I don't know if they could make it looks as pretty as Crytek did or even tell a story that would interest me. I'm so torn. D:
These are the guys who made light of the amount of crunch time their workers had to endure just before Ryse was out, right? free dinners and all that? It's always bad when jobs are lost but, well, at least they were shitty jobs. That and they haven't put out anything of worth since the original Crysis.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Stone Ocean
Member
I feel extra bad for Vigil. First THQ and now this.
These guys are talented and deserve to be treated as such, not like this.
Chobel
Member
MS don't need Ryse IP to do this stuff, they can just create a new IP.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I think they tried making something gamers enjoyed, but gamers already had the genre down. All they did was add great graphics. You can make a game how modern as you like, but if gamers have played something similar, then I don't think it will do very well unless it does it totally different.
It's a shame Crytek is going through their potential bankruptcy, but how could they even recover? They have most of their eggs in 1 or 2 baskets, while pouring creme filling over the top, waiting for someone to take a bite. If anything, Ryse should of been handled better. If they were really bleeding for money, they should of been forewarned of the consequences that MS faced prior to the XB1 release. It reminds me of the guy who buys the 18 karat dining room table for the million dollar mansion he can't afford. He spends all his money on the table only to have no house to place it in.
If Crytek files for bankruptcy I'd be shocked. They've made some very impressive games. However; I thought the publicity surrounding Crysis was better before Crysis 2.
It's a shame Crytek is going through their potential bankruptcy, but how could they even recover? They have most of their eggs in 1 or 2 baskets, while pouring creme filling over the top, waiting for someone to take a bite. If anything, Ryse should of been handled better. If they were really bleeding for money, they should of been forewarned of the consequences that MS faced prior to the XB1 release. It reminds me of the guy who buys the 18 karat dining room table for the million dollar mansion he can't afford. He spends all his money on the table only to have no house to place it in.
If Crytek files for bankruptcy I'd be shocked. They've made some very impressive games. However; I thought the publicity surrounding Crysis was better before Crysis 2.
The dream lives!
They showed Gamespot a demo running on the PC using a controller. Which is funny because the game didn't even look good.. at all imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGsAP37F1G0
Yeah, I don't see anyone else making it and I'm optimistic MS/Crytek heard the criticisms. I would like to see what they came up with for a sequel. If it was the same then I'd lose interest.
GoW 3 is maybe? GoW: A no?
See my post above.
Right, but Crytek was already headed down this path and I believe they could have improved upon it (there was a lot of room for it) since it wouldn't start as a Kinect title and it probably would have far more dev time. There's no telling if we'll get anything else like it from anyone else.
Lalalandia
Member
No Crytek owns the Ryse IP
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Earlier reports suggest that Crytek owns the IP because Microsoft refused to fund the sequel unless Crytek gives them the IP rights which Crytek doesn't want to do so the sequel is cancelled thanks to the lack of funds.
funkystudent
Member
I am waiting to see the Time Splitters kickstarter to know for sure they are truly desperate.
They also said they heard the E3 criticisms regarding the QTEs and suggested that the gameplay in the final game would be much more fleshed out.
Their solution?
Switch button prompts to colors.
You'll excuse me if I don't have any faith.
crazygambit
Member
I agree. I think it's source code for the highly capable indie devs and lack of documentation for the hobbyists. So they're stuck in a difficult place.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
That's a bit of stretch isn't it.
I thought the general consensus was that the game was fundamentally flawed. 60 on Metacritic is just godawful.
I think you kinda proved my point why I dont think MS will(or should) pay money for this unless they get it for near free, with this statement.
cripterion
Member
Fixed it for you
Sure, you're excused.
I would think it much more difficult to start from scratch than build on existing assets and technology. It seems Ryse 2 was already a go, probably because MS thought it would be a good use of Crytek to try again given what all they had in place. To use another team for it, or build a team for it seems unlikely.
MS buys Crytek.
Puts Free Radical/Crytek UK into Rare.
Makes Timespiltters HD Collection, Ryse 2, Perfect Dark, Jetforce Gemini with CryEngine.
Put Crisis on hiatus and bring back Brute Force.
Have Vigil Games do Azurik remake.
legacyzero
Banned
Didnt they JUST announce a new Homefront as well?
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Both versions of that post hold true, so I'm not sure what your point is.
EL CUCO
Member
What does that have to do with the value of the IP or setting the IP was in? MS should not have to spend much money on such an IP and I dont think there is any reference point to go to, to infer that they should or that it would be a good idea.
dantevsninjas
Member
This is the company that bought Vigil, but instead of buying their IP put them on a f2p shooter, and then opted to buy the Homefront license, to make a sequel literally no one asked for. They've put out all of two good games, one OK game, and a bunch of mediocre junk. I feel bad for the people who aren't getting paid, and may end up loosing their jobs, especially the Vigil people who just went through this not too long ago, but the writing was on the wall.
Dictator93
Member
Jason, this was a well written and hard hitting article looking and prying at an actual issue of social justice (being paid correctly, feeling valued at the work place, etc...).
Good stuff man.
Good stuff man.
Epic is basically backed by Tencent at this point. They will be totally fine.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Except Killzone has probably the most enjoyable multiplayer of any next gen shooter. Give credit where it is due.
not_so_special
Banned
for me is one of the worst games of the launch period.but looks nice..i can give you that
NA I think it sold enough and garnered enough attention to warrant a true sequel.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Steam enjoying 70% market share in the digital download space. It's foolish to ignore steam by now.
Sounds like management is dealing with their failures by sticking their fingers in their ears. Flying first class between studios regularly and tooling around in sports cars while staff receives reduced, delayed, or no paychecks for their work is a huge slap in the face. Surprised Crytek isn't in an all out revolt if that's the current culture, though plenty appear to have had enough by talking to the press/leaving/looking to leave. Good on them.