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Kristi Leskinen " No gamer in the world deserves an X-games Gold Medal"
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IceBringer
Banned
Video Games aren't a sport. And they're definitely not extreme.
Brutalitops
Banned
Fuck esports
A lot of definitions of "sport" (which I subscribe to) make the athleticism/dexterity criteria an "or" instead of an "and". I see no reason to exclude pure dexterity competitions like golf, darts and billards.
I guess it depends on your definition of sports. I think E-sports can be just as valid as regular sports, and in that vein they deserve to be awarded medals. But as far as if Halo 5 qualifies as an extreme sport, I'd probably say not really. So, maybe they don't deserve an X-Games medal but they'd be eligible for a medal somewhere.
Also, why Halo 5? Does it have a huge competitive scene?
Also, why Halo 5? Does it have a huge competitive scene?
Tesseract
Banned
standing upright and twiddling yer body
The Real Napsta
Member
The link only had her name and the tweet, I asked out of pure curiosity as previously stated. Stop attempting to put words in my mouth.
Zomba13
Member
A big eSports push by Microsoft to get people interested in the game.
stan423321
Member
By this definition, if we made a Chernobyl Smash Bros. Melee tourney with joypads modified to solidly zap the player instead of shaking, that would make it extreme. Agree? Disagree?
Pop
Member
Sure
Will you, her and everyone else who "cares" so much against this be around when LoL, CS or whatever joins the Olympics?
because that's what people want from Halo
EvilKatarn
Member
thats all esports are? hell my niece can do that, they should give her a gold medal
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
It'll boil down to how long people are actually pros. Look at professional athletes. There's rarely any data on them after sports because they usually go on to different lifestyles. A lot of the greats stay around and comment about the sport or they get endorsements. Video game professionals are still sorta working in and around the industry, but who knows who has quit period? There is a chance you'll do well and a chance you'll never get good.
In video games you have mostly a handful of people who are religiously good about staying in the scene. You're just a regular consumer if you aren't. It's kinda tricky if you ask me. Video Game tournaments around here have gone from being more popular to being nonexistent unless you know someone or you do it yourself. I know about a guy up here who hosted a huge Guilty Gear tournament at our college and they had tournaments up at the Family Fun Center, but I never really went to them besides two and the place was torn down.
Nebraska Halo shut down and the people who play are friends with each other, so there's nothing really huge for people besides the Internet or maybe a LAN center in town. There's probably been multiple tournaments held here that I just don't simply care about. I am just a gamer and most importantly I'm a customer.
Not everyone is gonna win. I enjoy winning by playing the arcade mode or something. It isn't a big deal if I hit the multiplayer option.
In gaming, it's like the higher social class enjoys it more. It's more catered to that person and even now I don't see how it's appealing besides the normal Twitch channel I preview for fighting game tournaments. The clique is there or its some guy in a Razor or something jersey streaming throughout the week.
The worst part about it is that it takes time away from playing games. I'm not really big into multiplayer unless of course I'm feeling like it. The only medal I want is not feeling like crap because I'm not a professional gamer. I finish a game and move on.
I've been depressed after losing a tournament. It wasn't fun. I've been to Halo tournaments and it sucks after your turn ends. I just want to leave the place and go home, relax, and then play a game. The only people that enjoy it are really into it or they're the ones winning. I only really understand the enjoyment of the game. Not the worship of people that are doing well, then you'll never care to hear their name ever again.
It's like if someone who was well known in the industry went to a convention. Chances are they'll have a better time than the guy who has a better feeling at home playing the game and enjoying his stuff without the status. There's no real status besides an observer. It's hard hard enough making people enjoy the real game past that certain demographic.
I enjoy trial and error. The concept of winning sucks because it teaches people to only care about winning. To me, that's a slow burnout.
IceBringer
Banned
Pop
Member
So the difference is Xtreme in the title...
I can only imagine the people upset over gamers winning medals at the Olympics, if they act this way over something like the X-Games.
Zomba13
Member
Why should games join the olympics? Why can't games have their own event that features games and gamers of all types competing? Why do games have to be "taken seriously" and put up there with sports?
I just think it's really stupid to want something like one game at a big sporting event. Ooooh at the 2028 olympics we'll have Halo 9. What a glorious achievement for eAthletes! Why not have a proper gaming event, like what the X-Games are to "extreme" sports. The e-Games or something. Why do games need to be along side shit like running a 100m really gast or jumping over a bar the best?
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Wasn't the whole concept of the X-Games born out of sports that were/are considered non traditional that were rejected by mainline institutions?
Because theres an X button for eXtreme!
Because theres an X button for eXtreme!
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Hilarious, this sounds just like: "Snowboarders don't deserve Olympic gold medals!"
Full circle.
Full circle.
Psychoward
Banned
She's right and those medals are ugly.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't think so. Winter X-Games have had things like Skiiing and Snowbording, which I'm pretty sure have been in the Olympics for a very long time.
Maybe for some of the summer events like biking and skateboarding that was a factor.
blue_phazon
Member
Guys it's called the x-games. Not the x-sports
Via Purifico
Banned
It has no place being there but she's attacking the wrong group, blame the ones who organized it.
I remember there was a E Sport show that used to be hosted by Direct TV but that died out.
Not sure if it was too ambitious or not enough viewers then again this was years ago when the concept was still very fresh.
I remember there was a E Sport show that used to be hosted by Direct TV but that died out.
Not sure if it was too ambitious or not enough viewers then again this was years ago when the concept was still very fresh.
biggersmaller
Banned
Is this how most Olympians feel about "athletes" winning gold medals in the 50m Rifle Prone?
Well, video games aren't exactly an extreme sport either. Extreme sport is a niche of traditional sports and you can often see death defying stunts.
Is this how most Olympians feel about "athletes" winning gold medals in the 50m Rifle Prone?
Yeah, if shooting, archery, & making a horse dance can be passed as Olympic events, I don't see why gaming, at some point in the future, can't be.
Winter X Games weren't even around for the first couple years and were a spinoff to how popular the event was. The summer events are the thing that launched the entire endeavor.
I agree with her. In the context of her tweet (which is a terrible medium for context, but it still had enough) she says "As athletes sometimes we risk it all to win X Games. No gamer in the world deserves an #xgames Gold Medal."
The wikipedia entry for "extreme sports" starts off with "Extreme sports (also called action sports and adventurous sports) is a popular term for certain activities perceived as having a high level of inherent danger."
Her sport involves significant risk of killing yourself just to participate. The risk of carpal tunnel from using a keyboard too long and the risk of blood clots in your legs from sitting too long, don't make videogaming much of a "death defying" sport, IMO.
But, old woman yelling at cloud.
The wikipedia entry for "extreme sports" starts off with "Extreme sports (also called action sports and adventurous sports) is a popular term for certain activities perceived as having a high level of inherent danger."
Her sport involves significant risk of killing yourself just to participate. The risk of carpal tunnel from using a keyboard too long and the risk of blood clots in your legs from sitting too long, don't make videogaming much of a "death defying" sport, IMO.
But, old woman yelling at cloud.
Professor Lich
Member
Just wait until eSports get their hands some Vurtiux Omni controllers along with some VR headsets. Then we'll get the last laugh!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
I guess it was to have an event for sports neglected by other competitions then.
Psychoward
Banned
I will never forget my 2010 Screenshot Champion of the World gold medal.
These days I am not even competitive
The roars of applause as the shot of the Human Revolution toilet was first entered in to the internet still echo throughout the world today.
Portugeezer
Member
What if they played Tony Hawk 5?
Ming blown.
Ming blown.
Dreams-Visions
Member
this. i could see esports in the Olympics because of how diverse The Olympics have become. X-Games? I don't see anything extreme about Halo 5 competitive.
But again, these minor sporting events have to do whatever they have to do to stay funded so they can stay alive. Apparently they needed e-sports money or this wouldn't have happened, right?
This was quite clearly a business decision and to that end perhaps some of these X-Games athletes should be thanking e-sports and their benefactors for helping the X-Games pay for the medals they took home rather than complaining...
dr3upmushroom
Banned
X-Games are based on physical skills though, and the risk in any physical sport is much higher than one playing video games (unless you count diabetes and obesity).
stan423321
Member
(1) Ability to press buttons and sticks quickly is a physical skill.
(2) The sort of games we're discussing here (fighting games, some MP shooters, maybe degenerated RTSes but maybe not) fulfill the definition above.
Since the definition of sport I brought is arguably the most arbitrary of the statements here, I'm going to assume you disagree with it, specifically with the part that says physical skills are enough. Correct?
Preemptively, if you think physical exertion is a necessity, where do we draw a line? I specifically think about curling. What do you think of it? It doesn't seem to involve much of physical exertion, but it seems to be considered a sport.
Portugeezer
Member
I say it fits due to the heavily sponsored dudebro feel of the X-games in general. And I like the X-games btw.
You're right it's not a sport or extreme sport though.
CountAntonius
Member
I am a huge fan of E-Sports but I don't think they should be in the same categories as physical sports. It doesn't need to be and it doesn't make sense for them to be. It just opens them up to ridicule by people who don't care to understand that form of competition. It also doesn't need real sports approval or certification to grow successful under it's own banner. I'd like them to stay separate to avoid more of the nonsense that's already been tossed around between sides.
That being said ESPN and XGame want that E-Sports money and they are the ones who set what should fit where.
It was run terribly and chose horrible games to represent competitive gaming.
That being said ESPN and XGame want that E-Sports money and they are the ones who set what should fit where.
It was run terribly and chose horrible games to represent competitive gaming.
BronsonLee
Member
That's because of that little shit Travis Pastrana pulling rank!
If he started really getting into badminton, that'd get top billing!
Bankastuba
Member
Haven't Xgames been losing popularity over recent years?
Perhaps this was an experiment, maybe they're trying to bring a new crowd into the mix?
It makes business sense.
Perhaps this was an experiment, maybe they're trying to bring a new crowd into the mix?
It makes business sense.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Don't shit on curling. I'd rather watch a curling tournament than eSports.
Arkam
Member
I could tell you "why" but then three dozen overly sensitive/defensive people would come after me with pitch forks.
I love competitive games and competitions based around them, but I hate "exports" and the notion that they are the same thing as real sports.
You cannot be who you are meant to be a if you keep trying to stand in the shadows of others.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
But they're not sports. Pretty much by the definition of sport.
People shouldn't even be thinking of it as standing in the shadow, it's not even standing in the same place. Some people don't seem to understand that.