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MGSV is one of the best games ever made...
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PLASTICA-MAN
Member
If only this game was finished.
GameAddict411
Member
The contents of the OP was surprisingly different from what I expected lol. It seems that you are implying that mods saved the game on PC. But the game remains to be a very flawed game, and dare I say a clone of what is considered to be a good open world game without all the things that made the original games so great. Kojima abandoned his legacy to chase after what other big game developers did He didn't focus on what he really wanted to do. I really hope his next project take a different approach and it seems that he learned from his experience with this game.
Yeah that was needless in parts, there probably should have been more flexibility in where you can land the helicopter.
Is there a mod that can fix the incredibly repetitive level design? Because good mechanics can do so much with the same fucking base/village variant for 50+ hours.
The game has such an incredible variety and tighness to its core gameplay, but everything around it is so bad.
You know, if I ignored the awful story (which I cant because the series for me is all about a memorable narrative, but whatever), the first 10 hours of MGS5 would be some of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. But then you realize you are doing the same thing over and over again and there is zero incentive for you to keep going, because well... the world is boring as fuck and the story is shit, so? There was this moment when I was playing it, grinding side ops to fucking open a new story mission, that something hit me: "Why the hell am I still playing this game?"
The game has such an incredible variety and tighness to its core gameplay, but everything around it is so bad.
You know, if I ignored the awful story (which I cant because the series for me is all about a memorable narrative, but whatever), the first 10 hours of MGS5 would be some of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. But then you realize you are doing the same thing over and over again and there is zero incentive for you to keep going, because well... the world is boring as fuck and the story is shit, so? There was this moment when I was playing it, grinding side ops to fucking open a new story mission, that something hit me: "Why the hell am I still playing this game?"
manzoman96
Member
This game could've benefited from story patches like FFXV is supposedly getting. Still had a great experience with the game but the story alone puts it at the bottom of the MGS cannon for me.
i won't argue that it's bland, but considering they're mostly drawing from actual locations in actual conflict zones, i don't know how much more visually interesting they could have made it on a surface level. the game's focus is purely on infiltration, and the world is built to facilitate that by giving you different approach options and allowing for a more large-scale outpost alert/reinforcement system.
exploration is meant to be done during missions where there are actually plenty of things to find and do, but its definitely something the game struggles to communicate.
this game assumes a certain degree of intuition in the player, which is always a bit risky.
Lord of Castamere
Member
D-walker is the most fun I've had this gen. Nothing compares to skating around Africa tazing fools in a mini mech.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Not at all, I'm saying the mods turn a superb game and make it masterful. I think the vanilla experience of MGSV is amazing and one of the best games this generation. The tweaks and changes by mods only make the experience better and far easier to get into.
Slapping heavily armored soldiers off their feet never gets old. And then there's the flamethrower...
Are there any mods that improve/build on the Mother Base defense for single player? I LOVED making my base and getting the security up but I never attacked bases so I have no idea how well my base would hold up.
Just an AI force attacking while I watched in real time would be awesome.
Just an AI force attacking while I watched in real time would be awesome.
Indeed.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
yeah exactly.... exactly what I mean. I disliked how with SIDE OPS, their appearance on the minimap basically turned what are just world-flavouring random spawns.
and turned them into 'dings' -- checkmark boxes to check off (combined with timers AKA Dragon Age Inquisition-itis)
maybe some of them could have remained on the Minimap (e.g. they appear after 2-3 days based on your Intel Unit) just so people do have a few optional goals
but in general I wish they were not listed on the minimap, and otherwise were just 'random event spawns' that you randomly come across.
it's a problem of the broad design of the game IMO. SIDE OPs. Mother Base. Upgrade timers.
All of these things in CONCEPT could be amazing for adding flavour to the world... cool little things that happen 'in the background' to make the world appear more alive.
but because of presentation and balance (not fundamental design), they're emphasized so much that they're made 'core' goals
all of those things would have better suited world design IMO by being deemphasized as just world/theme building flavour, not core content progression.
WilsonX100
Member
i really loved this game. it was so fucking fun and i enjoyed all the little details. i need to play through it again, with these mods. i wish the story was a bit better but damn did i enjoy it anyway.
Crazy Diamond
Member
Graphics Horse
Member
I think the mechanics are better but there's a lot the FC games do that mgsv should, like actual opposing factions, and roads feeling dangerous with armed patrols not just two guys running a supply truck.
Future PhaZe
Member
Is there a video showing great gameplay going on?
Everytime I play MGSV it's just me doing the cheesiest shit ever. Not because I actively looked to "break" the game but just because it was always the most obvious and easiest route to take.
I didn't go through the game playing it like a shooter, but most missions were basically me going prone through the grass, killing people with a silenced weapon if they were in the path I needed to be, and that's about it.
Example of a mission I did last night:
Child soldier commander needs to be captured along with some dude. Can't hurt the child soldiers. K. Crawled through grass, got close to child commander, used my click hand to get his attention, shot him with silenced tranq gun, picked him up and ran away and evac. Basically rinse and repeat with minor change for the other guy. Entire game has been similar to this.
Everytime I play MGSV it's just me doing the cheesiest shit ever. Not because I actively looked to "break" the game but just because it was always the most obvious and easiest route to take.
I didn't go through the game playing it like a shooter, but most missions were basically me going prone through the grass, killing people with a silenced weapon if they were in the path I needed to be, and that's about it.
Example of a mission I did last night:
Child soldier commander needs to be captured along with some dude. Can't hurt the child soldiers. K. Crawled through grass, got close to child commander, used my click hand to get his attention, shot him with silenced tranq gun, picked him up and ran away and evac. Basically rinse and repeat with minor change for the other guy. Entire game has been similar to this.
Crazy Diamond
Member
Bionic arm reskin mod, in progress, looks really spot on. The focus of the concept art included in the image above never made its way into the final game.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
that's cool
i wish it automatically happened when there was a sandstorm hahaneed one with a Versalife or Tai Yong Medical logo heheh
Jangowuzhere
Banned
I think you can get the scarf working with Infinite Heaven, but the goggles are a bit more complicated.
Kevin Shields
Member
Hell yes it is. I hate it because I keep wanting to return to it even after I've played it more than any other game ever... And I have a big ol backlog
KyanMehwulfe
Member
And then jumping off it in the middle of a base with the AI attack head, and watching it go to town haha
IM UNDER ATTACK
I usually use it more than Quiet just because she's rather OP, whereas attack dwalker at least feels like it has some weaknesses. not just boom headshot boom headshot
Ame
Member
4. New Game Plus Mod
Self explanatory, another feature that should have been in the main game. Sure, you can replay all the missions after you beat the game, but the actual feeling of progressing through a story is basically gone.
I really, really wanted new game plus to be in this game. With gameplay this good and so many toys to play with, it's a no-brainer.
It really is in the conversation for the best gameplay ever in a video game.
RustyNails
Member
One thing Kojima gets that none of his peers do is complete hollywood badassery. The scenes with choppers especially in MGSV. It was like Top Gun with Choppers.
I want to win the lottery and give all my money to Kojima so he can make a game like Metal Gear Solid again.
I want to win the lottery and give all my money to Kojima so he can make a game like Metal Gear Solid again.
Graphics Horse
Member
Cheesy game breaking stuff can be fun but best to experiment instead of doing the same thing each time
https://youtu.be/XXBFSnbhVsE
Future PhaZe
Member
TBH I think the first act really holds up as a nearly perfect game. You could quit there and the story is perfectly setup for the original Metal Gear (
). However, IIRC this would leave some of the parasite stuff and a few other things unresolved.
I still love the shit out if this game, and the Midge Ure cover of 'The Man who Sold the World' is such a perfect fit for a theme song. Collecting the other 80s hits on cassette was also fun. Dammit I want to replay this game now... I'm sad that it won't see a sequel.
#FucKonami
while leaving the "Big Boss body double" "plot twist" from Metal Gear 2 intact, event though its kinda painfully obvious that Venom is a fake throughout MGSV
I still love the shit out if this game, and the Midge Ure cover of 'The Man who Sold the World' is such a perfect fit for a theme song. Collecting the other 80s hits on cassette was also fun. Dammit I want to replay this game now... I'm sad that it won't see a sequel.
#FucKonami
MeisterLeder
Banned
It really wasnt. Couldnt even finish it thats how bad it was to me.
NathanDiego
Member
For me it is easy the best gameplay of any open world ever made and is not even close,if not the best gameplay experience I ever have,was my 2015 GOTY and still my GOTY,but at same time it had so much more potential,could be my all time game.
MGSV is a good set of controls ruined by a terrible barely-existent story, a boring open world, needless base management, an insulting ending, and the most vile example of Kojima's blatant misogyny and penchant for eye-candy yet. "Be ashamed of your words and deeds," come the fuck on. "She breathes through her tits" is not some huge dramatic reveal.
Fultons take all the tension out of the stealth, the few bits of story worth hearing are hidden away in tapes, and the final twist answers a question no one gives a shit about while actively ignoring the opportunity for what could have been cool, genuinely fan-service moments. How cool would it have been to see as young Solid Snake going through the end of Operation Intrude N313? What about seeing what became of Chico at the end of Ground Zeroes?
Not to mention all the bullshit lies in the trailers. Returning to Camp Omega? Nope. The African village destroyed? Nope. Snake, covered in blood, screaming to the heavens? Nope. The shot of two Eli's in the helicopter while mentioning "Les Enfants Terribles" in the VO? Misdirection and a red herring.
It's the most disappointed I've ever been in a video game. And I blame Kojima just as much as Konami.
Fultons take all the tension out of the stealth, the few bits of story worth hearing are hidden away in tapes, and the final twist answers a question no one gives a shit about while actively ignoring the opportunity for what could have been cool, genuinely fan-service moments. How cool would it have been to see as young Solid Snake going through the end of Operation Intrude N313? What about seeing what became of Chico at the end of Ground Zeroes?
Not to mention all the bullshit lies in the trailers. Returning to Camp Omega? Nope. The African village destroyed? Nope. Snake, covered in blood, screaming to the heavens? Nope. The shot of two Eli's in the helicopter while mentioning "Les Enfants Terribles" in the VO? Misdirection and a red herring.
It's the most disappointed I've ever been in a video game. And I blame Kojima just as much as Konami.
WaterAstro
Member
I think it's the worst Metal Gear game.
The "open ended" stealth is so boring.
The "open ended" stealth is so boring.
completely agree with this and like i said in my first post in the thread, playing through a fresh save and almost completely ignoring these 3 aspects of the game made it vastly more enjoyable for me.
i strongly feel like the game's mission design and overal balancing was done without taking these elements into account and that they were mostly added due to corporate meddling and encourage a style of play that is entirely detrimental to the experience.
NathanDiego
Member
Man,I can't wait to see Death Stranding,I hope it has a stellar gameplay and a great history,could be a GOAT material.
Poimandres
Member
It seems like it's a line in the sand game. People either spitting venom at it or banging on about it being the best ever blah blah.
Personally, I thought it was pretty good with some big flaws that drag it down. You have your Mother Base quirks etc which grate after a while, but the more serious (and harder to fix) issue is with the level design. The maps are a bit boring, and there really should have been more well developed bases etc to infiltrate. Considering that, I think the high metacritic score and staunch defense that some show is a bit over board (and would likely be more moderate if it wasn't an MGS game). On the other hand, the level of vitriol some show wouldn't be as high if it wasn't an MGS game as well...
RustyNails
Member
This shit is exactly what I'm talking about.
Yea idk what even comes close, every animation was top notch and they gave you so much control over snake. They had the perfect balance of amazing animations without feeling janky or that control of your character or camera is taken away for the sake of flashiness. During my first play through I loved just running to my next mission while slightly spinning my camera around Snake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emyh94Zw5Z8
This is obviously planned gameplay but it did make me think of a new way to use boxes and bombs.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Yep. I actually wasn't active on Gaf during my playthrough. Came back, with a really positive reaction on the game, and found a wave of venom pouring on it. It's not perfect, but it's still top 3 in 2015, personally. So many fantastic moments, and ideas, with the best overall gameplay of the generation. It's just sad that the game wasn't fully realized.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Ooo, yes please! Unlike the bulk of complaints towards the game, I actually loved replaying missions with those modifiers and was bummed that it wasn't a universal option. This is awesome. Time to reinstall some MGSV.