Scientificreason
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I was talking financially, please no need to be obtuse.
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Microsoft to have new exclusive IP at E3, focus more on first party titles
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Welfare
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What metric are you using for Neverwinter? If there is something about how well it's doing, I'd like to see it.
100% this. It's like this with every MS thread. The latest Halo thread is full of the same shit.
Ricky Ricardo
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It's hilarious reading you say this and then looking at how you post on N4G. Assuming you go by the same moniker over there ...
Just the metric of how many people I see playing it and spending money (based off items they have). I know it's all anecdotal, but having played MMO's for as long as I have it's easy to gauge if a game is doing ok or not. Maybe it's not meeting expectations, who knows, but from what I can tell it seems to be doing good.
Scientificreason
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Have info on neverwinter? The game still has to be good which warframe is, is legends? Gave some serious doubts.
Dee Dah Dave
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It will bomb if nobody spends any money on playing it, and I am still yet to see any interest for the game.
It just seems odd to me that one of Microsoft's biggest studios is putting out this seemingly basic F2P game that nobody cares about. I thought they would be doing something much more impressive than this.
PanicFreak
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So a healthy software ecosystem doesn't lead to financial success? The relative health of the Windows ecosystem will encourage the next PC gamer to buy a Windows license. And we're back at my original statement.
NoMoChokeSJ
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Little different. Sony's cross play is still limited to their platform and ecosystem, forcing a hardware buy in. For MS to make every game Win10, it would pretty much eliminate the need for an XB1 for a good amount of the gaming population.
I love my XB1 but if they did this it would be gone because I also have a good gaming PC and a PS4.
If their goal was to become a software only company it would make better sense to go the way of Sega. Sad thing is MS makes some stupid ass choices undercutting their other hardware divisions, so I could see them doing this, lol.
As posted above, I'm just going off what I see. No idea how good/bad Legends is till it's out. There just isn't a lot of F2P games on consoles yet which will help it either way.
I agree with you, I have no excitement for Fable Legends, but the basis it's a F2P game on console, which there isn't much competition yet will more than likely lead to it being somewhat successful. I could be way wrong and it may bomb hard and make no money, but I just don't see that happening.
Actually beyond those two games, I think SMITE will be huge on Xbox 1.
Scientificreason
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You are grossly over thinking things , I was simply talking about revenue from releasing a game on windows....you can keep up your crusade elsewhere. Its not like,said pc woyld not have windows regardless.
You have no way to prove or qualify anything else. Windows is already a monopoly, a game releasing on it wont change anything.
justsomeguy
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My name's not on that list for a good reason.
I deliver
Eww. Ain't nobody but Mrs Justsomeguy needs to see that.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Alx
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Eh, after trying Smite my only hope was that Fable Legends would be much better, because I didn't really enjoy what I played.
I'm quite confident that Lionhead can produce something that looks and plays better actually, what still doesn't convince me is the asymmetrical gameplay. It doesn't seem it worked well for Evolve (or did it ?), it would be an additional hurdle to pass.
You spend way too much time focused on a Sony vs MS mindset.
MatrixMan.EXE
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It's a shame that, should Scalebound be as incredible as I expect it to be, being a Kamiya game, it's sales won't match up with that poll. A damn shame
Either way, I must at all costs see gameplay at E3.Steverulez
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It's a shame that, should Scalebound be as incredible as I expect it to be, being a Kamiya game, it's sales won't match up with that poll. A damn shame
Platinum guy mentioned he was in Seattle this week so I think its looking good for E3 prep
BleedOrange
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Like it or not Steam has dug the PC gaming ecosystem out from under Microsoft's feet. Compare Windows to any other modern OS: iOS gives Apple ~30% of all software transactions, so does Android with Google (on Google Play Services devices) and Windows gives... Valve 30%....
You can bet Microsoft is seething over this. Yes the presence of Steam and Windows being the de facto PC gaming OS does increase market share from users that would normally use a different general purpose OS, but what does that make them? One Windows license, which is worth less and less as people get their Operating Systems for cheap or free. And to make it worse (for MS), Valve is actively trying to switch the de facto PC gaming platform to a custom version of Linux so that they can own the whole stack. Microsoft HAS to see this happening, and if they don't act decisively they could see one of the last bastions of 'core' Windows users defect to an OS that better serves their needs. Maybe not soon, given the inherent advantage they get from Linux not running most AAA games, but at some point in the future Valve is gonna lay their cards down and if MS doesn't have an answer they'll be in for a harsh reality check.
The good thing (for them) is that they have an opportunity to own the stack, and do some really cool things with it. They already have a userbase with Win10 boxes under the TV (XB1) whereas Valve is struggling to even enter the large screen market. Microsoft needs to lean, hard, into their advantages, and shore up their deficiencies.
Cross buy/play/save, streaming (both ways, from TV box to PC, AND from beefy PC to TV), WAN streaming, API support for mods and user created content, API support for standardized PC gaming settings, API support for fine grained storage details, API support for standardized input systems on all Win10 platforms (Mouse+KB, Game Pad, Fight Sticks, Touch, Voice, HOTAS', etc), party systems between devices, marketplace for digital licenses, cross-device gaming identity and achievement platform, cross-device leaderboards. All these things should come to Win10, and sooner rather than later.
Miles Quaritch
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RedSparrows
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I'm interested in FL, want to try it. I have absolutely no objection to F2P done right (see: MOBAs).
Chobel
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Probably should read its OP
Beside the mentions of Marketing deals in the OP, the last sentence I bolded makes it clear that the thread is about sales.
EDIT: Sorry for going off-topic.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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BleedOrange
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I can almost guarantee the decision to make the monetization model F2P is because of the non-response. And I agree, F2P or not, game will bomb. Its hardly the only F2P game out there.
Poop!
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Same could be said about any companie's ecosystem. Like games that appear on PS3/PSP/PS4/Vita, or WiiU/Wii/DS/3DS. Saying "exclusive, exclusive" is getting rid of 95% of games out there for all systems.
First it was exclusive, then it was first party exclusive, second party exclusive, third party exclusive, timed exclusive, then console exclusive, now we get exclusive exclusive. Seriously? Where does it end? The days of true 100% exclusives to only one single system are the extreme exception to the norm.
Thanks. That's actually more than I thought. Killer Instinct is going to PC though, I think?
Sony has the PS3 and PS Vita to consider as well and they're doing a great job. Granted, they have the advantage of having no stake in the PC gaming market so consumers have to buy into their ecosystem to play their games. Microsoft shouldn't ignore the other platforms, but they're not showing enough in the way of thirst for making XB1 the gaming platform to be on this gen in the console space.
To start, I don't appreciate being called a troll. I'm a Halo fanboy and own every Xbox generation to date.
I asked for a list not to start a list war, but because I was curious.
We should care about the specific hardware because every non-genuine exclusive is just one less incentive for people to buy into the Xbox platform. I honestly don't know what Microsoft are thinking when they they are already getting stomped in the console space that they think it wise to fund IP that will not remain exclusively to the platform they need it for the most. Crossgen is one thing, but anyone with a gaming PC is going to laugh at the prospect of buying an XB1 when they can just play the game on their primary gaming platform of choice, especially when it'll be cheaper and in superior quality to boot.
Fable 3 sold close to 5m copies last I checked. I believe the Kinect game sold well too. It's not surprising they funded another.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I am ready. So ready.
Alx
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Maybe (probably) I played it wrong, since I'm not very familiar with the genre, but my first games were the same cycle of throwing awkward attack animations at foes, getting killed by the opponent main character, respawning, repeat. And the game lasted for too long, near the end I wasn't even fighting back and the game wouldn't end.
I don't think it will be easy for the game to capture a new audience, while I could easily get into Warframe. But then, maybe the existing audience for that genre is big enough already.
As a matter of fact I never really was excited by Legends (even less than regular Fable games, which I only play casually when they're cheap). But since it's F2P I'll certainly give it a try.
gaming_noob
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2 months away so it's probably a pretty big reveal (footage at conference + gameplay on floor?). Getting excited.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Steverulez
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Given its incredibly unlikely to release until next year I think Gamescom is more likely for gameplay on the floor although obviously I have no idea of their plans I would hope for a big reveal though
I didnt know that
But yeah you should try it out^^
But for me as a big Fable fan, this thing is a big disappointment... And i dont know why this got greenlit...
This is what Lionhead want to make so thats what they get to do
TharpDaddy
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Scalebound will do well I think. It's going to have some of the most marketing behind it that any Platinum game has had since MS seems to be framing it as one of their big exclusives.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Cool and all but i wouldnt be shocked if there are going to some layoffs after this...
Steverulez
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Well layoffs aren't always due to project success (or lack of), its a natural part of development when a project ends but they are seemingly moving straight into a new IP so I think they might just get on with that without reducing head counts too much.
Louis Cyphre
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Microsoft have put themselves into an uncomfortable position. They no longer have the 3rd party advantage with an easier to work with hardware, nor do they possess the more powerful system. Meaning after all these years of trying to leverage 3rd party titles to make the platform the lead development they are struggling to keep up. Sony has also taken away the U.S market from them to consider exclusive deals unless Microsoft wants to continue spending money on IP's they won't own. They did just that for two generations and now they have very few worthwhile IP's that will help sell systems.
I just don't see Microsoft giving too many green lights to new projects if they continue to fall behind I in a market that doesn't seem to be growing. I think it's great Sony has put them in this situation and this E3 will reflect that but they should have been going in this direction years ago. I expect another price drop to 299 and if the system cannot gain traction throughout the year, not just the last two months, those who write the cheques will stop spending money on any new IP's.
I just don't see Microsoft giving too many green lights to new projects if they continue to fall behind I in a market that doesn't seem to be growing. I think it's great Sony has put them in this situation and this E3 will reflect that but they should have been going in this direction years ago. I expect another price drop to 299 and if the system cannot gain traction throughout the year, not just the last two months, those who write the cheques will stop spending money on any new IP's.
Chobel
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You sound concerned, which is something really weird coming from you.
Louis Cyphre
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I'm concerned in general, not just Microsoft's position. I see Nintendo as the only ones who keep creating content around its hardware yet fail miserably in sales. That isn't good and neither has this generation of more powerful consoles. I see very few risks all around and no real reason to move onto new hardware outside of a few titles.
Dee Dah Dave
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Right, but this isn't Fable 4. It's some odd spin off battle mode type game that nobody asked for or seems interested in.
I could totally understand them making a full fat Fable 4. This I don't understand.
This is pretty funny if true. Do that investigatin' bruh!
Steverulez
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I don't think the Kinect game did that well although they have never stated them, so obviously we don't know for sure.
I agree, I don't get why they even decided to this direction with Fable. They should have done something new instead. Legends sounds like it will bomb, hence they opted for free to play model. Don't get me wrong, I loved Fable, the first one especially, but this multiplayer thing isn't where I wanted the franchise to go, I wanted them to focus on RPG and storyline.
You could easily find that list in other threads (as well as this one since it turned into console wars), it doesn't need to be made again.
Microsoft are thinking that their future is mobile-first, cloud-first meaning, as Spencer recently said, "you should be able to play your games where you want." Why should they care where their games and services are being used? Why limit software sales and services to a single piece of (flailing) hardware when the Windows 10 platform including PC will likely reach a larger global audience than Xbox One could never attain, and likely larger than the PS4 install base will ever get?
justsomeguy
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Look, it was a cold day ok???
Ontopic... Cannot wait for Scalebound ... Need me that so much
justsomeguy
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Speculation on my part... But they will launch fl alongside win10, it will be one of a number of flagship apps and games available day 1 in the store as part of the windows 10 store launch...
Banjo-Kazooie
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It's also a showcase for cross-plat/buy strategies, DX12, as well as the Unreal 4 Engine, as Lionhead helped with some lighting technology for the engine.
IncognitoPanda
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I agree, but would like to add something:
343i was founded for the sole purpose of creating Halo content, which is the biggest exclusive IP on Xbox by far, as far as I know. The name 343 even comes from Halo, so wanting 343 to do anything other than Halo is strange.
Turn 10 makes racing games, period. Racing is what they know, and Forza is Microsoft's flagship racing title. You wouldn't want Polyphony Digital to make anything else than Gran Turismo, would you? And MS/Turn 10 actually branched out, by letting Playground Games make Forza Horizon: a different take on the racing genre.
Black Tusk, Lionhead and Rare I can agree with. We're getting something "new" from Rare(might be old IP, but it'll feel new), Lionhead is working on a new IP I've heard, in addition to Fable:Legends. Black Tusk is the only one I really agree with, seeing as it was kind of a shame they put them to make Gears of War. It's still not certain if they're only going to be the "Gears of War guys", but I fear that is true.
Assuming it is, 343i, Turn 10 and Black Tusk are set to continue making Xbox's biggest IP's, and I think it is fair and well that they have own dedicated studios for their flagship titles. It's just as long as we get variation elsewhere.
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ChosenPredator
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the game is stack like a mofo, not sure if you have a xbox one but you should check it out.
I don't necessarily disagree, but my first thought after reading your question about PD was...hell yes, I would love to see a sequel to Omega Boost!