jamesinclair
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Actually, no.
In this country, we believe in a judicial system, where a jury of peers decides the sentence.
This isn't Somalia or our lynching squad days.
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Minnesota man who killed teens in break-in charged with murder
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Actually, no.
In this country, we believe in a judicial system, where a jury of peers decides the sentence.
This isn't Somalia or our lynching squad days.
Oh what would Gaf do without one of you guys. Read the article, it is pretty insane and they were just kids, lets be real here.
You're right. He should have tied them up, raped them a little, and then put them in cages on his front lawn as warnings to other would-be intruders.
shadyspace
Banned
Nobody asked what you did in Canada. Of course you should be used to that by now.
electroshockwave
Member
This just in: no murders anywhere but the US.
QuiteWhittle
Member
Jesus, what a sociopath.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
Eh I am for castle law, and use of deadly force. But nah in this case it went into murder territory.
Finn of Ooo
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Lol seriously, this guy has no sense of discretion
Ghost_Protocol
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Deified Data
Banned
Nah, if someone's in your house and you don't know what kind of threat they may pose, shooting them in self-defense is a valid way of resolving the situation when you may not have the time to call 911, or give the burglars the benefit of the doubt. This guy isn't being charged with shooting intruders - he's being charged with intentionally murdering them when they no longer posed a threat.
No, it really isn't.
I have mixed feelings about the castle law, but pretty much this.
The man's actions as described in news reports are so far beyond what could be considered self-defense that I'm surprised anyone has tried to defend it, even on the Internet.
Are you kidding bro? There's defending yourself and executing someone and this more closely resembles the latter.
Karak
Member
Agreed. I would for sure shoot to kill horribly if someone came into my fucking house like that.
HOWEVER, if they didn't die I wouldn't execute them. But I might poke them with butter knives a couple minutes while the police were on the way
water_wendi
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Robobandit
Member
Yeah.. this was too far.
He deserves the murder charge, no question.
He deserves the murder charge, no question.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
There are always exceptions and not everything is ok. Just no.
MarshallVaako
Member
I like guns and I believe in defending yourself and your property. But there is a line there just like with everything else, and this guy crossed it. If I was on the jury, I'd already have my guilty vote ready.
SpectreFire
Member
Well, to be fair, the guy did defend himself and his property pretty well. He just fucked up by going right into committing straight up double homicide a few minutes later.
Pachterballs
Banned
oh god. that's a horrible read.
yikes.
yikes.
Amakusa
Member
Being able to do ANYTHING to someone who broke into your home, would strike some fear into them.
I read about this earlier today and wondered if it would end up on Gaf.
I generally agree with the right to defend yourself in your own home, but do believe that he went well above that here. The article I read earlier though quoted his brother as saying that the man had been burglarized 8 times in the past and had lost quite a lot of stuff. I think he was just fed up and took it all out on these two kids.
From msnbc.com:
Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that the incident was the eighth burglary at Byron Smith's home in recent years.
The only report the Morrison County sheriff's office has for a break-in at the home was for one on Oct. 27. It shows Byron Smith reported losing cash and gold coins worth $9,200, plus two guns worth $200 each, photo equipment worth more than $3,000 and a ring worth $300.
I generally agree with the right to defend yourself in your own home, but do believe that he went well above that here. The article I read earlier though quoted his brother as saying that the man had been burglarized 8 times in the past and had lost quite a lot of stuff. I think he was just fed up and took it all out on these two kids.
From msnbc.com:
Smith's brother, Bruce Smith, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that the incident was the eighth burglary at Byron Smith's home in recent years.
The only report the Morrison County sheriff's office has for a break-in at the home was for one on Oct. 27. It shows Byron Smith reported losing cash and gold coins worth $9,200, plus two guns worth $200 each, photo equipment worth more than $3,000 and a ring worth $300.
Haha, what the hell.
FloppyDelux
Member
sounds like something out of a horror movie.
Also last time i checked you can defend your property but not kill anyone.
Also last time i checked you can defend your property but not kill anyone.
The Faceless Master
Member
sounds like the first shot on each was self defense... then he murdered them. yeah, throw the book at him.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Who? I can't believe anyone would have sympathy for what he did. He crossed the line.
SpectreFire
Member
I read about the previous "break-ins" and it made me think if those kid were even breaking in like he said. Clearly he's mentally unstable, maybe he imagined most of the break-ins out of paranoia and just went too far this time?
FUBAR McDangles
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I'm from Minnesota
Between my father, grandfather, and myself, we own one AR15, three synthetic AK47 style assault rifles, and ~20 firearms including rifles, shotguns and handguns.
I obviously 100% believe in the right to own firearms
I 100% believe that one should be able to shoot intruders if they break into a home
This guy crossed a line when he went ahead and executed these people. If one was wounded, he should not have "finished them off" but instead have called the police.
I just drove through Little Falls yesterday. Pretty small town, but they're hovering around 8000 and are about 45 minutes away from St. Cloud, which is a pretty sizeable city. It's not like there were not any police around anywhere.
This guy messed up.
Between my father, grandfather, and myself, we own one AR15, three synthetic AK47 style assault rifles, and ~20 firearms including rifles, shotguns and handguns.
I obviously 100% believe in the right to own firearms
I 100% believe that one should be able to shoot intruders if they break into a home
This guy crossed a line when he went ahead and executed these people. If one was wounded, he should not have "finished them off" but instead have called the police.
I just drove through Little Falls yesterday. Pretty small town, but they're hovering around 8000 and are about 45 minutes away from St. Cloud, which is a pretty sizeable city. It's not like there were not any police around anywhere.
This guy messed up.
Tesseract
Banned
the gentlemen shooter.
I saw that too but the AP is reporting that police only had a record of a single prior burglary at the house.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8898346
SpectreFire
Member
Eh. I wouldn't give you a passing grade on that troll.
AtomskEater
Member
I assume forensics would have been able to piece together the events, but stuff like the girl laughing is a pretty weird detail to have.
Lazy Man's Wallpaper
Member
Preeeeeeeeeeeetty sure this is a joke post.
Thats pretty bad ass in a way , if someone was trying to kill me I wouldn't want to give them the satisfaction of being in fear for my life either.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
... I can't believe anyone would condone his actions.
Deified Data
Banned
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Could also be that those other break-ins were real and pushed the old man over the edge.
SpectreFire
Member
Guys.
Come on, it's 2012. You still fall for that?
SpectreFire
Member
Maybe, but why would the police only have a record of one of those break-ins?
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