Yea, that's a confusing quote. It could either mean that they're making Donkey Kong because they're a quality studio, or that they plan on making more graphically intensive games in the future. Either way, it's pretty embarrassing as a fan that they've got to explain themselves for making a Donkey Kong game.
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Miyamoto Says Nintendo Looking To Increase Internal Staff To Create More Projects
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Yea, that's a confusing quote. It could either mean that they're making Donkey Kong because they're a quality studio, or that they plan on making more graphically intensive games in the future. Either way, it's pretty embarrassing as a fan that they've got to explain themselves for making a Donkey Kong game.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
You mean that game Nintendo never talked about and randomly put a trailer in a press kit after E3 with no mention of it?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Let´s not make your biased subjective opinion as a fact, shall we?
I think it's pretty fair to say Resistance and Killzone are very mediocre games. Especially Resistance.
What do big western 3rd party publishers and them acquiring western studios have to do with one another?
Duxxy3
Member
No.
Yes.
They don't quite own the entire company, but close enough
http://www.monolithsoft.co.jp/company/profile.html
Nintendo owns 2320 of the 2400 shares of Monolith Soft (96.67%)... Hirohide Sugiura and Tetsuya Takahashi own 30 shares each and Yasuyuki Honne has 20 shares.
I didn't think they would spend the money to do this which is why I kept harping on the idea they should continue moneyhatting 3rd parties for titles like Bayonetta and Sonic or create an ambassador program to make tablet features for 3rd parites while they do everything else for their ports.
Not only is this a better move because they have greater creative control of the development teams they absorb; but it's also the biggest indicator that Nintendo understands they can't rely on 3rd parties to deliver content like they used to during the Wii era, and they are too far gone to even dream about SNES era support.
This is a very big step for Nintendo but the problem with hiring teams now is that we won't see any content from them for at least 3 years.
If current Nintendo teams are so far behind on development they will have a steady stream of games in 2014-2016 then this isn't a problem. If the current teams will be finished by 2014 - 1st third of 2015 then Nintendo is going to have another 2 rough years of very little content.
Not only is this a better move because they have greater creative control of the development teams they absorb; but it's also the biggest indicator that Nintendo understands they can't rely on 3rd parties to deliver content like they used to during the Wii era, and they are too far gone to even dream about SNES era support.
This is a very big step for Nintendo but the problem with hiring teams now is that we won't see any content from them for at least 3 years.
If current Nintendo teams are so far behind on development they will have a steady stream of games in 2014-2016 then this isn't a problem. If the current teams will be finished by 2014 - 1st third of 2015 then Nintendo is going to have another 2 rough years of very little content.
It's not that they suddenly noticed this. Nintendo is a fairly conservative company, and it has served them well in some respects. In others it can be a hindrance. They do not rush willy nilly into staff expansion. On one hand this is good, you are less likely to be overstaffed. On the other, you are more likely to be caught off guard when the workload spikes as it has in the last couple of years. That, coupled with the fact that I'm sure they are pretty selective tends to drag the process out.
Monolith is now Nintendo first party IIRC.
KingJ2002
Member
this is good news... there are many franchises under nintendo's belt that need to come back to the forefront.
Star Fox, Wave Race, 1080 Snowboarding, F-Zero, Excitebike are easy gimmie's
i would even bring back Silicon Knights to make sure the eternal darkness followup stays Wii U exclusive
What's clear though is that Nintendo needs the Wii Sports franchise. Nintendo Land was a dud as far as mindshare so they need that franchise to come back and really drive sales.
Star Fox, Wave Race, 1080 Snowboarding, F-Zero, Excitebike are easy gimmie's
i would even bring back Silicon Knights to make sure the eternal darkness followup stays Wii U exclusive
What's clear though is that Nintendo needs the Wii Sports franchise. Nintendo Land was a dud as far as mindshare so they need that franchise to come back and really drive sales.
SolarPowered
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I'm just expecting more Mario, Zelda, Wii ____ U and Donkey Kong.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
It's not a Silicon Knights owned franchise, and the new game is a followup in spirit only. Nintendo own the IP.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
This is bologna. Nintendo has the means to make the titles they DO release much better with features like online co op and better online multiplayer options, but they just don't.
They just don't care about the landscape as much as we do, bottom line.
They just don't care about the landscape as much as we do, bottom line.
KingJ2002
Member
More reason to make it exclusive. Nintendo needs games like that to widen their portfolio.
FreedomFighter
Member
That's the problem of trying to make big new ips all the time, if you compare Ratchet and Clank to Resistance, well Insomniac should have stuck with R and C.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Big dumb elephant slowly plodding along /Bosman
This shit should have been done and dusted 2 years ago. Its like watching someone hit by a noro-noro/slow-mo beam.
This shit should have been done and dusted 2 years ago. Its like watching someone hit by a noro-noro/slow-mo beam.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I wonder when we'll see the effects of this. If work has been going on for a while and we get a glimpse of the increased output next year, that would be great. Long droughts is always the worst thing about Nintendo consoles, and getting rid of them would be fantastic.
Are you really saying the (traversal heavy) sandbox sub-genre was over saturated when Crackdown and inFamous came out? You have to be really out of touch with gaming to believe crap like that.
I think describing Killzone as mediocre is giving it too much credit.
Duxxy3
Member
Whatever, I enjoyed Killzone 2 and 3 greatly.
Glass Rebel
Member
Good news. If 3rd parties aren't willing to support your platforms, do it yourself. I just hope that this leads to a wider variety of genres and franchises on both Wii U and 3DS. Also more stuff that isn't explicitly Nintendo-like, stuff like Xenoblade, Sin & Punishment etc.
Another thing Nintendo has to rethink, in my opinion, is being a global corporation with such a huge focus on and concentration in Japan. I'm not saying that they should target CoD-audiences but expanding their American and European development presence would be a great way to bring in different types of games that can't/won't be done by their Japanese teams.
Another thing Nintendo has to rethink, in my opinion, is being a global corporation with such a huge focus on and concentration in Japan. I'm not saying that they should target CoD-audiences but expanding their American and European development presence would be a great way to bring in different types of games that can't/won't be done by their Japanese teams.
Version 3.0
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They should have done so when they were drowning in Wii/DS money at the peak of their popularity - and I (and many others) said so at the time. Maybe they could've spported the Wii properly, and had a smoother transition to the Wii U (and some games ready to go).
But I guess "desperate Nintendo is the best Nintendo". Better late than never. I really thought it'd be never.
But I guess "desperate Nintendo is the best Nintendo". Better late than never. I really thought it'd be never.
Indeed. They also need a presence in Europe. Open a studio here Nintendo!
You'd be amazed how many people think Nintendo needs these types of games to attract a new audience, because obviously Mario and Zelda lost their magic. We've seen those franchises a lot over the past years and people want something new.
I'm joking.
On a serious note, they believe that when Nintendo ventures in those genres they can attract more people because of their name. The market would give them the benefit of the doubt because they're, well, Nintendo. I don't think it works that way and honestly Nintendo doesn't have a lot to gain in those genres/marketspace.
DragonSworne
Banned
We need less teams that have to report to miyamoto.
They should have started with this during the Wii era in preparation for their first HD system. They also shouldn't focus too much on Japan. They should buy Monster Games as well as Next Level games and grow them carefully. Also grow Retro. NST should maybe also go back to make games. Their Wave Race and 1080° games were not THAT good they were good fits for the overall line-up. In my opinion it would also make sense to start/buy a European studio. Having a truly global development organization might help to cover more different types of games which is really necessary when the 3rd party support is not really there.
Whatever they do... it will take years until we really notice in terms of game output. You simply cannot massively increase the number and seize of development teams while maintaining the company culture and level of quality.
Whatever they do... it will take years until we really notice in terms of game output. You simply cannot massively increase the number and seize of development teams while maintaining the company culture and level of quality.
nephilimdj
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bonsai barber 2 wiiu confirmed
edit: wow 2 years later and zoonami still hasn't closed http://ukdata.com/company/04045715/ZOONAMI-LIMITED
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'm guessing because toxic gameplay first philosophy, etc etc?
You are basically saying that Nintendo needs more ''AAA'' western titles on their system, and I just don't think that is in their philosophy or company culture. Those types of games are aimed at an older audience, one that Nintendo doesn't seem all that interested in attracting. Its glaringly obvious that these titles are missing from their systems but I just don't think they really care at the end of the day. As long as they continue to push their main brands and introduce some new 'feature' in each iteration they will be happy.
DragonSworne
Banned
Nintendo will care very soon when they continue to fail to meet sale projections and can't turn a profit.
EmCeeGramr
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In regards to genres: one of Nintendo's defining features when it comes to genres like those is that it rarely tends to just make games in the existing molds. Instead, it usually comes from a new idea, that then ends up being similar in style to an existing genre but its own distinct entity. Mario Kart isn't like other racing games, Metroid Prime isn't like other FPSs, Pikmin isn't like other RTSs, Smash isn't like other fighting games.
If Nintendo made an open world game, or a more traditional FPS, or a more realistic driving game, etc., it would probably be a similar situation.
If Nintendo made an open world game, or a more traditional FPS, or a more realistic driving game, etc., it would probably be a similar situation.
He didn't say anything that wasn't true. Especially Crackdown, what a load of shit pressed on a DVD.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I'd be interested to see a proper open-world title from Nintendo though, considering so many devs use a big world in lieu of actual content. It's open, but there's nothing to do in the open space. It's for the sake of it, rather than using the environment to facilitate gameplay necessity.
Not even. AAA games are aimed at a single demographic: males age 16-25. Nintendo hits demographics above and below that, and appeals to women as well. They're much healthier demographically than most of their competitors. As long as they make games that can sell to any of those demographics, which this move makes possible at a greater rate, they'll be able to do that.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Apparently Sakurai says that's off the cards, as far as he's concerned. But;
1) Nintendo says what goes with the IP
2) He's seemed reluctant to return to SSB before, and has anyway
3) Over 1m worldwide isn't too shabby for a resurrected IP from yesteryear.
Being mediocre in open world action and FPS genres isn't a bad thing necessarily. They are just so highly contested genres you tend to get closer to being mediocre if your game isn't a GOTY contender.
SporeCrawler
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I remember an interview this year regarding monolith where an nintendo exec said he considers the monolith acquisition a success and would do similar stuff in the future. Has anybody read that interview?
YES. YES. YES, YES.
Exactly. This "West is Best" philosophy needs to be taken out back and shot. So long as the development studio makes high quality stuff it doesn't matter. I'd love for NCL to pick up Next Level just as much as I'd love for NCL to pickup Platinum Games or Level 5.
SporeCrawler
Member
How much do you need in japan to do a squeeze out?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Luigi's Mansion 3 for Wii U, or Punchout: On Tour for 3DS! Or... something new, hah.
SporeCrawler
Member
Nintendo is a minority shareholder of bamco and has been for a long time. Synergy of bamco and nintendo being under the same umbrella would be quite huge but i dont think it will happen.
littlebirdtoldme
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so they can speed up production of the next smashbros, mario golf, mario tennis, mario kart..
or actually make something relevant?
or actually make something relevant?
What do you mean NST is hamstrung? Other than that I agree. More western studios for more variety.