Like they did Fire emblem and the last BD huh?
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More Changes to Bravely Second in the West
- Thread starter Kintaro
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Like they did Fire emblem and the last BD huh?
How's that straw-man working out for you?
Nintendo continues with the non-sense. No one is surprised.
They're the publisher in the west. They take the blame.
They're the publisher in the west. They take the blame.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Nintendo?
Changed? More like fixed. Jesus Christ those costumes. I don't really side with the "sexy chibi = sexy children" angle, but it certainly has shades of "1000 year dragon" shenanigans behind some of that shit
Oh most certainly yes
Like Dragon Quest Builders and Setsuna, amirite.
Is this satire?
A Link to the Past
Banned
Those costumes are concept art from the original game, presumably for the.
I understand that, but that it ever got any serious consideration to have like only the very bottom of her butt covered by barely anything is a problem
They look like sketches for the Bravo Bikini... wow at some of them tho.
Especially thqt one with the tan lines, yikes.
I mean, you've played the game, right?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Editing costumes is one thing, but flat out removing choice-based cutscenes? What exactly is the justification for that?
I don't like the costumes, but since it's just the art book I think for historical purposes it's at least important so we can catalog what design decisions Square Enix considered. If anything I think that if you want to argue against overt/unnecessary sexualization of underaged characters in the industry then having official documentation that this ever occurred is important. But then again we already have it documented in the original Japanese art book so it's not really a big deal (I don't care much about art book changes in general).
Paracelsus
Member
To not expose children to the tragedy of death.
They already did with the Wii U.
There's plenty of death and violence in the main story.
I don't even understand that. You clearly kill virtually every asterisk user in the first game.
uh, no.
The audience doesn't like moral ambiguity and consequences. They like to feel like they made the right choice in a situation.
Dude is it legal to be this savage
FunkyDealer
Banned
I would like to hear the reasoning behind limiting the quest outcomes.
Not like this... Not like this.
timetokill
Banned
Changing dialogue for localization or costumes if they're ridiculous doesn't bother me that much (though some of the costume changes really are needless).
Changing quest outcomes is pretty awful, though.
Changing quest outcomes is pretty awful, though.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Of course we had a post blaming dem dirty feminists. Why did I ever expect any better
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
what the hell
Even if I agreed with you that the costumes make me uncomfortable (which they don't), I still can't justify changing content from foreign releases unless it actually breaks laws or puts the game into dangerous rating territory.
Now I assume Square thought "the western market will see this as a game for kids due to the cartoony character designs" and made changes accordingly, and while that's extremely patronizing, they're within their rights to do so. The problem is that's a kick in the balls for the adult fans who like the Bravely series because it reminds them of the Classic JRPGs they played growing up. My view is that fans should get the original, warts and all, because sometimes it's the rawness that's responsible for the appeal.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
The ESRB labels are the trigger warning.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
This is probably why SE did it. It's a conspiracy!
They knew they could make changes and get away squeaky clean because Nintendo would be the one that got all the blame. And it would get people talking about the game - and any attention is good attention, after all.
So obvious! Why didn't I think of this earlier!
Pellegri Testament
Member
lol expecting people to look at those though. There's far too many uninformed parents who will go out and buy a game for their kid, yet not understand the first thing about that label or even care to read anything on the box.
Movalpolos
Banned
So why do they make the games like this in the first place if they are going to end up censoring it?
Does it somehow absolve the creators of their supposed morally questionable decisions since it gets "toned down" for the West?
Serious question here. I don't understand why this is deemed to get a pass when the source material is, and always will be the intended way to play the game in the eyes of the designers.
Does it somehow absolve the creators of their supposed morally questionable decisions since it gets "toned down" for the West?
Serious question here. I don't understand why this is deemed to get a pass when the source material is, and always will be the intended way to play the game in the eyes of the designers.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Didn't think about alternate versions, so that's an interesting example. Although the difference there is that the "alternate version" isn't replacing a more plain, faithful translation of the original work. It's a supplemental, different take on a work, sometimes looking to present some kind of insight about the changed setting. Macbeth as plain Scottish Macbeth still exists even with the South African version. PWAA in English, set in plain Japan does not exist though.
And you're right about the different translations not being 1:1 ciphers. I'm currently reading a book from Russia translated into English, and the introduction by the translator had an interesting description of how she struggled to find the right words for things and all the long conversations she had about how to proceed with the author. With that said, I think we can understand the line between being an exact 1:1 translation and outright changing plot beats in the story.
hipsterpants
Member
I'm of the opinion that there's nothing wrong with certain "changes" made when it is in attempt to reach a wider audience. I'm kind of curious if there is a balancing act for comparing lost sales between the people that get angry at the changes versus people that would get angry if it is unchanged (not to mention potential negative publicity).
Bringing up the localization of SMTxFE is interesting though. Do they try to tone down the sexual stuff and alienate people who are probably guaranteed to buy it or do they leave it unchanged and risk losing a potential wider audience that may not even exist?
Bringing up the localization of SMTxFE is interesting though. Do they try to tone down the sexual stuff and alienate people who are probably guaranteed to buy it or do they leave it unchanged and risk losing a potential wider audience that may not even exist?
Could they have just gone with one outcome for the sidequests to save on English dubbing? (sorry haven't read through the whole thread, I just started the game and want to try to avoid people accidentally spoiling things).
To me this means no replays necessary I guess ^^; I'll see if I can pick up on plot inconsistencies due to the changes as I play.
To me this means no replays necessary I guess ^^; I'll see if I can pick up on plot inconsistencies due to the changes as I play.
I was under the impression that the amount of sexy stuff in #FE is actually pretty small, and that the real localization issue is the fact that they have to make a game that's deeply, deeply rooted in Japanese idol culture and their entertainment industry as a whole that makes it really daunting to do a 1:1 localization without something getting lost in translation.
And that should never, ever be the concern of the developer, or the publisher. It should always be on the parent to read that shit, but instead they'll just be shit parents and ignore it then kick up a fuss because their kid saw a slight hint of a boobie
Yeah, this is where I am.
Eh, I think I'll be skipping this one. My impression was already that BS wasn't the sequel the original needed or deserved, but now we also have this. Nintendo's clearly approaching localization with a cudgel instead of a scalpel these days, and I'm suddenly finding myself hesitant to reward them for that.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Tree house isn't European
Did you preorder from Amazon? I've been watching for a restock.
Er, did Nintendo localize this? Shouldn't this be SE's fault? Or is ragging on Nintendo too good of a chance to pass up these days?
Gamestop. It's still up for preorder on their website.
Movies are art but they get altered, censored and changed a lot from region to region. However, I do agree that the levels of change can be a repellent though.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Holy shit, straight for the jugular.
On another note, I don't like them changing anything from the Japanese release, but outfits are still in the realm of being acceptable since the experience remains intact. But neutering scenarios is definitely a deal breaker and entirely unacceptable.
Nintendo are the publishers over here. You can be pretty sure they have a say in localization decisions.
Zambayoshi
Member
Yeah, that's what I meant. Didn't actually know that Agnes was 17. The point stands though:
All of these character designs are for underage characters. The character models haven't noticably (to me) changed since the first one, so really, it's not very different to the US release of the first game just saying "nah, they are 3 years older", without actually representing that fact in their physical growth and making them look less like children.
I mean...come on
Seriously, Come on
SERIOUSLY
These are characters that were specificially built to look like children only to then get sexualized as all hell. That shit isn't just weird to me, I don't just dislike it, I find it indefensible. No amount of "artistic integrity" changes the fact that these outfits are created to give people sexual arousal from characters looking like children.
I don't know about you, but I've never seen any child with hips like that. Those are Kardashian-level curves there. If you are talking about breast size rather than hips, you may have a point, but I don't think that small breasts are going to markedly inflate from the age of 17 to 20, particularly given the hip situation. I totally agree with the sexualizing argument though. The characters are generally presented in a more or less sexualized way. I'm not saying that's bad or good.
