What? It's the dev choice of course, but they aren't going to ignore a system with 30M sales. What's wrong with you people?
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MS: Devs Could Make Scorpio Only Titles | (Update: Misspoke, no Scorpio exclusives)
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What? It's the dev choice of course, but they aren't going to ignore a system with 30M sales. What's wrong with you people?
Son Of Sparda
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Yeah, nobody left behind my ass.
They just made a completely new gen console. At the very least they should have had the guts to announce it like one, smh.
They just made a completely new gen console. At the very least they should have had the guts to announce it like one, smh.
Winters_Solace
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Hopefully someone can leave a link. But im pretty sure he said something along the lines of "The technology isn't there for what we're aiming for" regarding consoles of course. I could be reading in to this wrong.
My age has nothing to do with anything. From the standpoint of gamers in general this deal sucks. Forking out another 400-600 bucks every 3-4 years instead of the 400-600 every 8 years, a lot of people can't do that. Segregating the fanbase with +.5 models is asinine.
Doctoglethorpe
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Good. If a dev has a vision that is only possible on the stronger console they should have all the freedom to see it through.
It doesnt take a diploma to know very few devs are going to even do that, so there should be no panic.
It doesnt take a diploma to know very few devs are going to even do that, so there should be no panic.
Heh.
The key difference between Sony and ms.
Sony will lock neo to ps4, that way the current ,massive ps4 user base remains relevant.
Neo is the S mid term update
Ps5 is the clean slate clean start we are used to, with games designed to push that new mark in the sand to the limit.
I prefer Sony's approach to this ,its WHY console's are better than PCs
Sony will lock neo to ps4, that way the current ,massive ps4 user base remains relevant.
Neo is the S mid term update
Ps5 is the clean slate clean start we are used to, with games designed to push that new mark in the sand to the limit.
I prefer Sony's approach to this ,its WHY console's are better than PCs
Guts? oh my. They're a business, they'll do what makes sense to be as successful as they can. Instead of outright going for a new gen, they're softening the blow by making it as accessible to current Xbox One owners as possible.
I mean they could go full next gen, fully exclusive Scorpio titles from the get go if you prefer? How on earth that makes them less worse I don't know.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
This was bound to happen. The question is, when will a first party MS title do it? Spencer is acting like Microsoft doesn't have some influence on the dev community for the console.
Sony will have to make this decision at one point too.
Sony will have to make this decision at one point too.
Maybe it is, but we won't know until it's out on the market.
Azure Dream
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I thought they said the opposite during the press conference. Unfortunate, but it was going to get there anyway. Just surprised it's so soon.
It's obvious.
It's a new gen for them, if they were still serious about the Xbox One they wouldn't have announced the Scorpio today with the Slim model to sell and promote this upcoming holiday season.
Internally they have already moved on from the Xbox One, hence why this year there were no big news on the software front at their conference.
They expect third parties to make cross gen titles but they need to create exclusive games to justify the existence of an other 500$ box otherwise this will be like a Steam Box (aka dead on arrival).
Sony on the contrary wants to extend the PS4 gen keeping sales high.
With Neo they are preparing to play again the PS2-Xbox game while trying to keep the hardware gap at a comfortable level.
It's a new gen for them, if they were still serious about the Xbox One they wouldn't have announced the Scorpio today with the Slim model to sell and promote this upcoming holiday season.
Internally they have already moved on from the Xbox One, hence why this year there were no big news on the software front at their conference.
They expect third parties to make cross gen titles but they need to create exclusive games to justify the existence of an other 500$ box otherwise this will be like a Steam Box (aka dead on arrival).
Sony on the contrary wants to extend the PS4 gen keeping sales high.
With Neo they are preparing to play again the PS2-Xbox game while trying to keep the hardware gap at a comfortable level.
Assuming iterative consoles are the future, and the theory that exclusive games wouldn't come out until 2018-2019 (Kinda doubting that, considering development cycles mean they'd have be targeting the scorpio exclusively in 2017 before the install base is there, but that's a different matter)
We'd theoretically have exclusive games by 2019.. and then a new console by 2020 going by the current iterations. That console will start getting exclusive games roughly 2-3 years in its lifespan, and then another new console will come out after those 3 years.
It's an interesting prospect, because it would easily help phase out the older consoles (simply by not targeting them anymore) but I'm not sure if the consumer base will support it.
We'd theoretically have exclusive games by 2019.. and then a new console by 2020 going by the current iterations. That console will start getting exclusive games roughly 2-3 years in its lifespan, and then another new console will come out after those 3 years.
It's an interesting prospect, because it would easily help phase out the older consoles (simply by not targeting them anymore) but I'm not sure if the consumer base will support it.
Backfoggen
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At some point you're going to properly want to use that power. It will be 2 years or so of complete compatibility and then they will slowly drop XB1 support.
Sony will defiantly do the same. Let's see everyone's reaction then.
arhra
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Apple don't have policies dictating that games/apps have to run on multiple generations of iPhone, but you still don't see much that's purely targetting the newest models (except in cases where there's a new feature that's only available on the new one).
Once you have an ongoing ecosystem of backward/forward compatible software, the market takes care of obsoleting old models all on it's own as the userbase gradually moves on to new hardware.
It'll be a slightly longer/slower cycle in the console business, simply because of the longer development cycles (both for hardware, and console games), but the same thing will happen.
If a developer wants to forego the larger audience in favour of creating something that's technically not possible on the weaker hardware, I say they're probably kinda crazy, but fuck it, let 'em. Remember a few years back when you were all bitching about how cross-gen games were holding the industry back?
Once you have an ongoing ecosystem of backward/forward compatible software, the market takes care of obsoleting old models all on it's own as the userbase gradually moves on to new hardware.
It'll be a slightly longer/slower cycle in the console business, simply because of the longer development cycles (both for hardware, and console games), but the same thing will happen.
If a developer wants to forego the larger audience in favour of creating something that's technically not possible on the weaker hardware, I say they're probably kinda crazy, but fuck it, let 'em. Remember a few years back when you were all bitching about how cross-gen games were holding the industry back?
jimmypython
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So companies are just straight-up lying these days??
#notsurprised
#notsurprised
CrispyBoar
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If this is all true, then I could see things end badly for Microsoft than for Sony.
Both PS4 & Xbox One have only been out for 2 & a half years now, & most people aren't going to immediately hop onto a platform that doesn't play the games that they already bought for the previous console. No one's ready for a next gen platform yet.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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People already overreacting... maybe we should just wait and see now at this point?
Tallshortman
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There's not point to jump on the smartphone cycle if you're gong to leave people behind with the software with the next iteration. That's a great way to kill off your console business.
If you're not going to do generational jumps then you still need at least 6-7 years before you force people to buy a new console. I mean maybe the next iteration you can do exclusive games, do it for this one and you're going to get a lot of pissed off consumers.
If you're not going to do generational jumps then you still need at least 6-7 years before you force people to buy a new console. I mean maybe the next iteration you can do exclusive games, do it for this one and you're going to get a lot of pissed off consumers.
Delusibeta
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This has a very high chance of backfiring horribly in Microsoft's face.
but gaf said it would be fine
Complicated
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Considering all the first party 360 cross gen games we got I doubt it's any time soon.
It wouldn't be a new generation without "Sony too"
GHG
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Or maybe you know... They could just get their story straight.
To me that OP sounds like Microsoft hasn't yet made the decision of whether it would allow developers to leave behind the original Xbox One when Scorpio launches late next year.
Anyway, even if it did allow this, I still don't think most big developers would do it. I think the developers who are already most likely to make cross-gen games upon new console launches would make their games scale. It would effectively be the same as a cross-gen game except you're buying both versions as one SKU. And fall 2017 puts the same amount of time between Xbox One and Scorpio as there was between the original Xbox and 360.
Anyway, even if it did allow this, I still don't think most big developers would do it. I think the developers who are already most likely to make cross-gen games upon new console launches would make their games scale. It would effectively be the same as a cross-gen game except you're buying both versions as one SKU. And fall 2017 puts the same amount of time between Xbox One and Scorpio as there was between the original Xbox and 360.
Dash_Riprock
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The same way Sony followed MS with their DRM bullshit?
And people still defend them.
Bobnob
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why?
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Its also worth considering that if you target for Scorpio, you're already aiming for a tech standard that's cutting out a significant portion of the PC market.
It'll be 4 years when Scorpio releases, it's very doubtful you'll see Scorpio exclusives in the first two years (looking at how long it took cross gen to die this gen, and that's on 8/9/10 year old platforms ...) and then it might be VR stuff.
You're gonna have 6+ years of solid Xbox One support, not 2.5 .......
Abinash117
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Not every developer has the same priorities. By the time the Scorpio is out there might be about 30-40 million units for the Xbox One and 60+ million PS4s . Not every developer or publisher is going to skip the Xbone. Games like COD is going to get the maximum amount of units sold. Although some developers will skip the Xbox for the Scorpio. Some games will be crappy on the One, not even on it, lack a few features, or run fine and look as decent on the Scorpio in some cases. It is like cross-gen in the twilight zone.
It is a little different from cross-gen, since many people and developers are expected to jump ship and develop games for the next-generation and focus on that, but here the Xbox one is still current-gen and will continue to sell alongside the Scorpio.
It is a little different from cross-gen, since many people and developers are expected to jump ship and develop games for the next-generation and focus on that, but here the Xbox one is still current-gen and will continue to sell alongside the Scorpio.
TheZink
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Aaron Greenberg just tweeted this
Great thing is with Project Scorpio as part of #XboxOne family all your games will work, no Scorpio exclusives, so no one gets left behind
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/742514933322027008
Great thing is with Project Scorpio as part of #XboxOne family all your games will work, no Scorpio exclusives, so no one gets left behind
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/742514933322027008
How is this a surprise to anyone? There will be exclusive VR games. The whole reason for the scorpio is so it can support those VR games.
xb one can't display them properly.. thus at the very least the VR games will be exclusive to scorpio.
MS hasn't sold nowhere close to 80 million Xbox Ones. I think in January it was revealed they had sold only 19 million since launch and Sony sold twice as much.
Shpeshal Nick
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Next year Xbox One is 4 years old. In 2018 it will be 5. That's a "traditional cycle". If Scorpio exclusives start in 2018, that's fine.
By then most games will have dynamic scaling so they can still run (like ass) on Xbox One.
By then most games will have dynamic scaling so they can still run (like ass) on Xbox One.
Karak
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sunshine and gasoline
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This certainly has the possibility of occuring.
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