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New disappointment discovered : No Man's Sky (CrowbCat)
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King Tubby
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I kind of already knew what to expect from the game before release and I like it for what it is, although it does need to get the shit patched out of it especially on PC.
There's definitely plenty of blame for Hello Games though, they both overpromised and were deliberately vague, which left a huge amount of room for speculation and hype that could never be matched.
There's definitely plenty of blame for Hello Games though, they both overpromised and were deliberately vague, which left a huge amount of room for speculation and hype that could never be matched.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
A shit show brought on by their own deception.
GravityInsanity
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mrqs
Member
That sucks in so many ways. I feel really bad for Sean Murray and the Hello Games team. Obviously they tried as hard as they could to make the best game possible, just didn't worked out.
If the team was transparent about it's problems and said clearly "there's no way to find another person" even on the day the game released, would be better.
I just can't trust them, and i did. My faith on indie developers is vanishing, now i don't trust anyone.
If the team was transparent about it's problems and said clearly "there's no way to find another person" even on the day the game released, would be better.
I just can't trust them, and i did. My faith on indie developers is vanishing, now i don't trust anyone.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Has there ever been a NEED to buy a game day one?
It's always a risk you take if you aren't able to keep your expectations in check. Granted Hello Games clearly made that difficult for some people.
shiftplusone
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No Man's Sky seems to be "yet another indie survival game but with space stuff this time"
It's hitting most of the same points as elite dangerous but with more resource gathering, less space trucking and worse combat, at the same price point as E
World's widest puddle.
I like NMS and I never felt deceived by the marketing before it but I also didn't build up expectations for it outside of what they showed
people put pineapple on their pizza
this does not taint all pizza and make it all garbage, only the pineapple pizza is tainted (and garbage)
smaller/"indie" games are able to experiment more because of a variety of reasons. They don't make an assassins creed style game and experiment within that, they make something like VVVVVVVVV and do a couple of interesting things really well.
It's hitting most of the same points as elite dangerous but with more resource gathering, less space trucking and worse combat, at the same price point as E
World's widest puddle.
I like NMS and I never felt deceived by the marketing before it but I also didn't build up expectations for it outside of what they showed
people put pineapple on their pizza
this does not taint all pizza and make it all garbage, only the pineapple pizza is tainted (and garbage)
smaller/"indie" games are able to experiment more because of a variety of reasons. They don't make an assassins creed style game and experiment within that, they make something like VVVVVVVVV and do a couple of interesting things really well.
So, basically:
- HG/Sean Murray was trotted out to the press a lot, answered questions when they probably shouldn't have since they were still working on the game. (Seeing other players, for example.)
- Footage of reactions to the game being shown too much at press events like E3.
- Controversy relating to the sticker on the CE box and MP.
- Performance and crashing.
It's kind of a sad attempt to kick a developer who probably was forced into the limelight by a publisher who helped them up on their shoulders thinking this was going to be the next Minecraft. They're still working on fixing issues. I think everyone suffered overexposure (it was shown too many times) to NMS before it was released, allowing expectations to run wild. To say you're displeased with something is fine, but I'm starting to grow so tired of crowbcat's uneven shtick "critique" (if you can even call it that) especially when focused on such a small development team that tried to make something so large.
My honest guess on this is that because the game was shown so often and Murray was questioned on things that at the time probably were true, the game was still being worked on and things like seeing other players didn't make the final cut of the game.
Players being able to see each other in any game is a huge task with respect to networking replication and even game design rules:
- What happens when I land my ship on top of yours?
- Do I see you switching your weapon?
- If I'm standing on a rock and you harvest it/change the shape, do I fall?
- If we both harvest a resource at the same time, what happens?
- What happens when I log out if you're looking at me?
- Do we need to have resource trading between two players? Does this create issues of balance/exploiting?
- Do we need to create player character models and animate them from the client/host perspective?
- Etc. etc.
Perhaps Murray answered this without really knowing if it was going to ship with the final game. Perhaps it's still coming to the game!
We don't really know what happened, but my guess is that he spoke on things when he probably shouldn't have, similar to the Molyneux days of old.
- HG/Sean Murray was trotted out to the press a lot, answered questions when they probably shouldn't have since they were still working on the game. (Seeing other players, for example.)
- Footage of reactions to the game being shown too much at press events like E3.
- Controversy relating to the sticker on the CE box and MP.
- Performance and crashing.
It's kind of a sad attempt to kick a developer who probably was forced into the limelight by a publisher who helped them up on their shoulders thinking this was going to be the next Minecraft. They're still working on fixing issues. I think everyone suffered overexposure (it was shown too many times) to NMS before it was released, allowing expectations to run wild. To say you're displeased with something is fine, but I'm starting to grow so tired of crowbcat's uneven shtick "critique" (if you can even call it that) especially when focused on such a small development team that tried to make something so large.
My honest guess on this is that because the game was shown so often and Murray was questioned on things that at the time probably were true, the game was still being worked on and things like seeing other players didn't make the final cut of the game.
Players being able to see each other in any game is a huge task with respect to networking replication and even game design rules:
- What happens when I land my ship on top of yours?
- Do I see you switching your weapon?
- If I'm standing on a rock and you harvest it/change the shape, do I fall?
- If we both harvest a resource at the same time, what happens?
- What happens when I log out if you're looking at me?
- Do we need to have resource trading between two players? Does this create issues of balance/exploiting?
- Do we need to create player character models and animate them from the client/host perspective?
- Etc. etc.
Perhaps Murray answered this without really knowing if it was going to ship with the final game. Perhaps it's still coming to the game!
We don't really know what happened, but my guess is that he spoke on things when he probably shouldn't have, similar to the Molyneux days of old.
That GT guy was really annoying back then and he still is.
I will probably buy this once it gets a bit cheaper. What the game does tech wise is still one of the most impressive things ever attempted in video-games even if the gameplay isn't exactly up there with it. Hopefully patches will help.
I will probably buy this once it gets a bit cheaper. What the game does tech wise is still one of the most impressive things ever attempted in video-games even if the gameplay isn't exactly up there with it. Hopefully patches will help.
Felix Lighter
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The way the game trailers dude was getting beat up. I can only imagine him watching that with a huge grin on his face. The crashing on PS4 section, good grief. I was so close to grabbing it on PC even after the PS4 launch but I'll wait it out. Even with lowered expectations I expect to have fun with the game but not while it's a technical mess.
The Albatross
Member
I glad I never bought the hype on this. I feel like a quieter version of the guy in that panel asking "But what do you do? There's not infinite things... there's... 8 or 9 things you can do. You can go to a planet, get off your ship, collect stuff, and then keep doing that..."
While watching the videos for this I never felt like there was a moment where I got a sense of what the point of the game was, outside of a cool looking tech demo about the universe. Which could definitely appeal to people, but I'm glad I didn't get hyped up thinking there was more because I'm not disappointed.
I feel like the game shoudl have been released in an early access release program like Day-Z or Ark, where there wasn't a lot to do in either of those games, but they weren't hyped to hell by publishers, they just released them and let people make their own stories, and the hype didn't cause a lot of backlash.
I also feel bad for Sean Murray watching these interviews... I kind of wonder what drove him to be misleading with so many of the questions and answers. I think it's the same thing that drove Molyneux to be misleading about Fable... he had a vision in his mind of what he wanted the game to be, and then said "this is what we're going to build," and then when it seemed like that wasn't possible, instead of changing the vision in his mind with what was realistically possible, he just doubled-down on the vision and restated it. I think when you're in the weeds of development it might be difficult to see the forest from the trees, but that doesn't excuse being misleading about a product that you're ultimately selling for money.
While watching the videos for this I never felt like there was a moment where I got a sense of what the point of the game was, outside of a cool looking tech demo about the universe. Which could definitely appeal to people, but I'm glad I didn't get hyped up thinking there was more because I'm not disappointed.
I feel like the game shoudl have been released in an early access release program like Day-Z or Ark, where there wasn't a lot to do in either of those games, but they weren't hyped to hell by publishers, they just released them and let people make their own stories, and the hype didn't cause a lot of backlash.
I also feel bad for Sean Murray watching these interviews... I kind of wonder what drove him to be misleading with so many of the questions and answers. I think it's the same thing that drove Molyneux to be misleading about Fable... he had a vision in his mind of what he wanted the game to be, and then said "this is what we're going to build," and then when it seemed like that wasn't possible, instead of changing the vision in his mind with what was realistically possible, he just doubled-down on the vision and restated it. I think when you're in the weeds of development it might be difficult to see the forest from the trees, but that doesn't excuse being misleading about a product that you're ultimately selling for money.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Just got to the part where it starts talking about the centre of the galaxy and paused it. Can someone who has watched the rest of the video tell me if it spoils what is at the centre?
Lmao
Time to print the T-shirts
Ninja Scooter
Member
Thst had nothing to do with "what you do" in the game though. It was pretty clear early on that this was going to be a resource gathering game. Go from planet to planet, upgrading your equipment so that you can travel further and further, rinse/repeat. That's pretty much the game we got. Again, that's not to say the game can't be disappointed, there's aspects of it that have greatly disappointed me (the sluggish controls and convoluted menu/inventory systems for one) but it like others have said it definitelyfeels like people on both sides have let themselves get way too invested and attached to the game, the ones that bought into the hype and let their imaginations run wild and thought this would be the only game they'd ever need, and the ones that wanted so badly to see this whole thing blown up so they could be there to tell everyone "I told you so"! Somewhere in the middle there is some reasonable and interesting discussions to be had about NMS but the damage is already done and the game is so incredibly polarizing (and admittedly a lot of that is on Sony/Hello) that you'll probably never get any sane discourse.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
fucking rekt
LOLOL
LOLOL
Brandon Jones' new outfit, Easy Allies, just released a review of No Man's Sky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agNAa1TYzgI
They gave it a 3/5.
Christ! lol
After watching that I got this come up in my recommended feed https://youtu.be/3Mz5YPkThOU
After watching that I got this come up in my recommended feed https://youtu.be/3Mz5YPkThOU
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Even knowing what you would do, it's just bad at what you do. I would have been more than fine with the basic gameplay loop if it weren't so cumbersome and repetitive.
I can't even venture out in a random direction because I get out of range of my ship and die eventually.
Opus Angelorum
Member
The actual ending spoils the ending.
D
Deleted member 10571
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Oh well. This video is harsh but true I guess. Glad I didn't buy it, even if I still kinda want to play it.
Cheat Code
Member
They sold it at retail price. It's a retail game. It could have be made by one bloke and this video would still be warranted with how fucked the launch was.
Gold Jerry i tell ya, GOLD.....
PeakPointMatrix
Member
I've had a crash or two and one animal clipping through the ground, but never that many glitches on that scale, damn O_O
Hey at least you're being honest about it. I wish the tons of other posters flooding every thread with concern/shit posting on the game would own up to never intending to buy it or play it in the first place.
Ah, there it is, the hyperbole of the thread.
Dude, I'm sure publishers WISH they could pay one guy to make a game of this scale. Get real.
Hey at least you're being honest about it. I wish the tons of other posters flooding every thread with concern/shit posting on the game would own up to never intending to buy it or play it in the first place.
Ah, there it is, the hyperbole of the thread.
Dude, I'm sure publishers WISH they could pay one guy to make a game of this scale. Get real.
The trailers, showing animals chasing each other and big monolith sized animals roaming the horizon, weren't meant to advertise the game?
The fact that it was labeled a resource-collecting game was suppose to mean that any advertised features should be ignored.
ebullientprism
Member
That was a pretty funny video.
Normally I would feel bad for the devs cause I dont ever see their reputation recovering from this. But they did bring a lot of it on themselves and all the money they are swimming in will make up for some of the harsh stuff being said.
Normally I would feel bad for the devs cause I dont ever see their reputation recovering from this. But they did bring a lot of it on themselves and all the money they are swimming in will make up for some of the harsh stuff being said.
DrunkShogun
Member
I was never fond of the concept and the procedural gameplay was something I've never liked but I think people are at a mistake of not controlling their expectations. Technical issues aside, the game offered more or less what I expected minus the questionable multiplayer element.
Orniletter
Banned
It was extremely obvious how meh to bad the game would turn out for everyone who has been paying attention. I was skeptical because they never showed any fun gameplay footage.
GAF was pretty emberassing , rediculing the "But what do you do"-crowd, which...admittedly...should have phrased their concerns better. People were so militant about NMS, it reminded me of The Order's fanbase.
Sean Murray has been aping Pete Hines quite a bit though.
Not sure if it's the context of the video, but Sean Murray never looks like he believes in this game when he talks about it, or he looks really worried about the reality of the game vs. the expectations. I do not envy the position he's in, but I do hope that he doesn't despair, and that the team stays on track to keep making improvements to it.
I wasn't much interested at all and thought I had no idea what you'd do in this game, but it turned out I knew pretty much everything.
Little Monser
Banned
Lmao at this mess 😂
Saw this flop from a mile away
Shame tbh
Saw this flop from a mile away
Shame tbh
The problem here is that someone confused infinitely spawnable planet terrains with being able to do infinite things and with having infinite content that 'even we don't know about' ( per the dev). The procedural generation is not deep enough to live up to the suggested possibility of those statements.
Sadly I think hello games knew this. But the hype was so easy to sell. People got so excited by the suggestion. And they just rolled with it. They were encouraged to do so by the wide eyed excitement of their audience, the media and the scent of success. It's hard to pull the handbrake on that snowball once it starts.
I say this as someone who likes the game but who saw this coming a mile off. My only hope is that it doesn't poison the well for other games that use 'procedural generation' later , that could more convincingly deliver on the promise. Tech will get better. I think in this case people were too willing to believe in magic - tech they didn't fully understand - and they weren't discouraged by the devs. It might be arguable the devs were exploitative of tech naïveté. But the baby shouldn't go out with the bath water.
Sadly I think hello games knew this. But the hype was so easy to sell. People got so excited by the suggestion. And they just rolled with it. They were encouraged to do so by the wide eyed excitement of their audience, the media and the scent of success. It's hard to pull the handbrake on that snowball once it starts.
I say this as someone who likes the game but who saw this coming a mile off. My only hope is that it doesn't poison the well for other games that use 'procedural generation' later , that could more convincingly deliver on the promise. Tech will get better. I think in this case people were too willing to believe in magic - tech they didn't fully understand - and they weren't discouraged by the devs. It might be arguable the devs were exploitative of tech naïveté. But the baby shouldn't go out with the bath water.
King Tubby
Member
Animals actually do attack each other. I don't know about giant sand snakes though.
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