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Nintendo addresses the Samus Returns Amiibo controversy (USGamer)
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English is not my first language, but to me it doesn't imply that Fusion Mode is harder than Hard Mode. It mentions that Fusion Mode is a "more challenging difficulty" before bringing Hard Mode up, which leads me to believe it is harder than normal and that's it.
The statement is still not clear enough tho. For all we know, Fusion Mode could be harder, it could be the same, it could be harder than Normal but easier than Hard Mode and even could be hard in a different way compared to Hard Mode (think damage vs enemy amount/placement)
The statement is still not clear enough tho. For all we know, Fusion Mode could be harder, it could be the same, it could be harder than Normal but easier than Hard Mode and even could be hard in a different way compared to Hard Mode (think damage vs enemy amount/placement)
I know this is still a controversial option but its only gonna be an issue if somehow nintendo stops NFC spoofing.
Like yeah obviously i would prefer it wasnt locked at all.
LordRaptor
Member
Its going to be as lame as TPPHDs "super hard mode" was, which is going to be hard mode but taking double damage.
Not collecting optional energy tanks is going to literally be the same effect.
Same as skipping extra hearts in TPP.
People getting super mad about that seem to be the ones with the emotional attachment.
I'm not seeing how you can actually come to either conclusion from that statement. All it states is that there's a Fusion mode and a Hard mode and they're separate. It's not making claims about the difficulty in relation to each other, just that they're both harder difficulties.
As before, we're still waiting for confirmation.
If you use em for yourself they aren't illegal but if you sell em well that's grey area probs.
The information was "Fusion Mode, which is an harder difficulty mode, is locked behind an amiibo".
Almost everybody read that as "Hard Mode is locked behind an amiibo, as Fusion Mode is the only hard mode in the game".
Why will it? It's still a difficulty level locked behind amiibo, and there's no option to purchase it separately.
I don't think the issue was that there was no hard mode, simply that a difficulty level is locked behind a plastic figurine.
Nothing has changed in all of this.
That doesn't change anything. The principle is that there is a difficulty level locked behind a plastic figurine. The fact that there is a "hard" difficulty level doesn't change that.
I don't think people were annoyed simply because they thought there was no hard mode, there could be 5 hard modes, but the fact that an even harder mode is locked behind a plastic figurine will annoy some people.
The annoyance of amiibos isn't exclusive to Metroid. People are not happy that dlc of any kind is locked behind plastic figurines. Initially amiibos were meant to be cosmetic items which I feel some people could tolerate, but I think the fear for many is that the content locked behind amiibos might become even better.
Imagine if they locked the Breath of the Wild DLC (including story expansion) behind an amiibo...
Jonneh3003
Banned
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
This. This changes nothing. There is still content being locked away behind a toy that sold out months before it was even released. It is fucking stupid, that's all there is to it.
Stilton Disco
Member
Just because there's two harder difficulties and only one is locked behind an expensive, hard to fund physical piece of merchandise, doesn't suddenly make things OK. If anything it just passes me off more, because they are clearly aware that this is a selling point and exploiting their weakest willed fans.
Nintendo are seriously beginning to just be taking the piss with Amiibo.
Nintendo are seriously beginning to just be taking the piss with Amiibo.
SHARP KNEES
Seems like you neither taking the free advise nor kow what literally means.
emotionaly attached to what? To not partcipate in nintendo defense force? yes im really attached to that.
Continue with the shitposting tho
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Who pre-ordered? :Jebaited:
I should have written more then 1 sentence bbut what i ment with that is: alot of peeps thought that would have been the only hard mode available now there atleast is a regular hard mode too.
Look i also hate content locked behind scarse available toys and no other way to get the content through eshop etc. But atleast the game has a hard mode itself now.
Don't get me wrong i still find it BS to lock a difficulity behind a toy/fiigurre only but atleast it's not the worst scenario where there is only easy and normal mode available in the main game wich would have been way worse imo.
LordRaptor
Member
max health = 600, take 20 damage per hit == 30 hits until death
max health = 300, take 10 damage per hit == 30 hits until death
Literally the same
Wait the gallery is locked behind an amiibo too?
How much stuff in this game is locked behind Nintendo's plastic tat?
wild wild rice
Member
Well people were begging for a traditional Metroid.
Vital Tundra
Member
So we still don't know if it's the same difficulty as hard? If it's super hard it's still bullshit and that's what it seems like to me? I dot know why Nintendo thinks locking difficulty behind a pay wall is okay. First Zelda now this? Come the fuck on.
At least now we have renders of Fusion Suit Seamus that don't look incredibly dumb and anatomically cartoonish.
Duchess O'Death
Member
Not that I'm personally interested in playing on Fusion mode myself but that's just shitty move from Nintendo!
Weltall Zero
Member
My interpretation is that Fusion mode is harder than the normal difficulty, not than hard mode. The wording can be read both ways, which is hilarious in a clarification about a previous clarification.
We need to wait for the clarification on this clarification (which presumably will also leave some other matter ambiguous).HaakonHaakonsen
Neo Member
Did people flip out when the Fusion suit was locked behind having a GBA with a link cable and Metroid Fusion? There was no other way to unlock that in the original Prime.
Did people flip out when Super Mario Advance 4 locked Mario 3 levels behind eReader cards?
They've been doing unlockables like this forever. The controversy was locking the difficulty behind what's basically a paywall. Now that has been clarified so I don't see what the big deal is. Sure it would be nice to be able to unlock in game, but that's not something to be expected in any game these days, and certainly not from Nintendo.
Did people flip out when Super Mario Advance 4 locked Mario 3 levels behind eReader cards?
They've been doing unlockables like this forever. The controversy was locking the difficulty behind what's basically a paywall. Now that has been clarified so I don't see what the big deal is. Sure it would be nice to be able to unlock in game, but that's not something to be expected in any game these days, and certainly not from Nintendo.
sixteen-bit
Member
This is still some bullshit, lol
Honestly, I think it's as simple as Fusion Mode is as hard as Hard Mode, but they make it a mode to make it clear you can only use the bonus Fusion Suit with the hard difficulty and it's not available at all for Easy and Normal.
But complete game modes are a bit much.
However, this looks to be, in my view, to just be a bonus costume.
People are OK with cosmetic bonuses, especially ones that obviously would have never made it in without Amiibo like the Sonic suit in Mario Kart 8.
But complete game modes are a bit much.
However, this looks to be, in my view, to just be a bonus costume.
Nitpicker_Red
Member
That depends on how strongly the content is related to the toy.
For example if the content uses the NFC chip, then it wouldn't have existed without the toy.
Same for costumes if the game isn't known for having them in the base game, and if they are based on the toy.
(Did the amiibo help the creation of the content, or was the content cut to be put behind the amiibo.)
So you can either say that [A] Fusion mode is Samus with a Metroid-amiibo skin,
or say that they put the Fusion mode behind an amiibo.
Seeing how the Fusion mode existed in previous 3D Metroid games (even though it wasn't present in the original MII:RS), and that Zero Suit samus doesn't unlock a Zero Suit mode, we'd tend to come to the latter conclusion.
Oh yeah I'm sure there will be people that are content that there is a hard mode afterall. As there were people who were genuinely concerned that there was no option of more challenging difficulty level without amiibo.
But my take on the last thread was the consensus was mainly people's annoyance with any dlc locked behind plastic figurines.
I don't like it at all. I personally wish we were given the option of buying any dlc separately. Surely Nintendo would make more money that way?
I know some people say that amiibos that offer no content in games devalues them, but honestly I think that they would still sell just as well. As many don't even open the amiibos up and are purchased as collectors items.
I'm actually interested in the amiibo themselves as figures, but outside of functionality, just finding the pair is going to be near impossible. It always is with NoA. I think the lack of availability is the core of the problem - DLC and whatnot can be purchased anytime, anywhere - with amiibo being physical, this same rule should apply, but in stores, to a realistic degree.
-shadow-
Member
Yup, I'm spoofing that amiibo. I'm not buying a 16 figure just for this.
Mostly because I won't be able to find it ever.
giancarlo123x
Banned
No it doesn't, same shit locking gameplay behind a toy that will be a pain in the ass to find.
Living the Dream
Member
How is this a fix? It's straight up bullshit
Both Samus (Smash series and Metroid series) amiibo unlock different things, the Metroid amiibo unlocks Fusion mode, and the Zero Suit Samus Smash amiibo unlocks something that the others don't.
I've kinda lost track, but having all these different series featuring the same characters but unlocking different things is just adding to the confusion and annoyance.
We're quickly reaching a point where having already on-disc/on-catridge stuff which has always been in the base game for 30 years (and/or new stuff) locked behind a $-15 physical toy is becoming an industry standard, and people complaining about it are accused of being unreasonable or entitled.
Let that sink in. Once upon a time (like more or less 10 years ago) DLC didn't even exist.
Let that sink in. Once upon a time (like more or less 10 years ago) DLC didn't even exist.
Yeah, I'm with the general consensus that it's not a nice feature to begin with, but I at least own the damn things so it'd be cool to be less confused about how they work.
Isn't that Mario white wedding suit locked behind the wedding Mario Amiibo (Mario Odyssey)?