PotionBleue
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Let's also not forget Japan had a shit offer yet Mario Kart 8 still sold very well there. So, I'm not sure about all this.
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Nintendo FY14 Q1: 0.82M 3DS, 0.51M Wii U, MK8 2.82M shipped, 10 billion yen loss
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Let's also not forget Japan had a shit offer yet Mario Kart 8 still sold very well there. So, I'm not sure about all this.
Bruno MB
Member
Nintendo 2DS hasn't even reached 2.5 million units shipped worldwide. When it was announced I thought that that was what Nintendo's portable needed to reach a broader audience. One could argue that maybe it looks too cheap for today's standards, kids are already used to sophisticated smartphones or tablets, or that maybe it should have been priced at $99. But I don't know, when something fails so miserably means that there is simply not a market for a device like this.
Nintendo 2DS shipments:
April - June 2014
Americas - 80,000 (1,220,000 LTD)
Other - 130,000 (1,190,000 LTD)
Total - 210,000 (2,420,000 LTD)
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Oh, really?.. I disagree
Perhaps this particular thing isn't the most influential, BUT it's a mistake in the news. AND the fact it's a DLC is in itself news of the change in the way Nintendo does business and marketing. Which will have huge impact in the sales in the long run.
Delusional.
Robottiimu2000
Member
Who said it will be positive?
And to think this kind of "product placement" DLC is irrelevant is just... o.0
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
If an account system was clearly the answer then the Vita would be flying off shelves right? I do think that a variable price scheme, etc. would help the 3DS make its value proposition better, but it's not going to suddenly change the tide for the console. Nintendo has started experimenting with the price scheme in the US and I see even retail 3DS games have dropped to about $30-35 on launch. Mobile developers are also starting to struggle and their ridiculously low price scheme is killing them as well.
Mysterious
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Who said it will be positive?
And to think this kind of "product placement" DLC is irrelevant is just... o.0
You think stock will tank because they released a small free "cool thing" DLC? Something that won't bring too much attention to it (ex. Tomodatchi controversy)?
Did Bloomberg ever reported that thing? That's kinda hilarious that they know those things.
IIRC Iwata-san's projection was somewhat better.
1st Course
Member
I think the Amiibos part is very interesting. Amiibos are probably the main reason why Nintendo shares surged high in the past two months. I imagine Iwata/Investors are placing a lot of faith in them to drive the company's financials this FY.
Japan used to be Nintendo's biggest market, but now the situation there is this.
What Mario Kart needs to do is to sell consoles. It is selling incredibly well to the existing customer base, but it is not growing their business. 80% of the copies were sold to existing WiiU owners.
But to me the biggest concern is the deterioration of their handheld business, which is their bread and butter.
Quality of Life and the Amiibos cannot come too soon to help the ailing console business for Nintendo.
This continuous loss quarter after quarter has to be stopped. it is very hard to their claims for future profits and shipments seriously in the light of these kind of results.
What Mario Kart needs to do is to sell consoles. It is selling incredibly well to the existing customer base, but it is not growing their business. 80% of the copies were sold to existing WiiU owners.
But to me the biggest concern is the deterioration of their handheld business, which is their bread and butter.
Quality of Life and the Amiibos cannot come too soon to help the ailing console business for Nintendo.
This continuous loss quarter after quarter has to be stopped. it is very hard to their claims for future profits and shipments seriously in the light of these kind of results.
nintendo publishes around 20-24 games in a given year across the 2-4 systems they'll support at any given moment (OH 2012 WHAT A WONDROUS TIME). when there are fewer platforms, or platforms they're focusing on less, those tend to suffer as far as releases go. see the gba from 2001-2007, the gc from 2005-2006, the ds from 2008-2012, the 3ds's 2014, and so on and so forth. it takes so much time and money to train everyone on two new pieces of hardware every 4 years or so and they have to keep hiring more people and take more time to do it whenever it happens.
quality is subjective. i'd argue it's been pretty consistently good since 2004, the output on the ds notwithstanding. quantity is fairly easily measured, and as you point out the lack of third-party releases makes these platforms look particularly barren in terms of lineup.
ideally a multi-device approach using the same library would ease the learning curve (so there's only one platform to get to know), reduce gaps in release dates, and allow nintendo to come up with unique and profitable hardware that they see fit. for instance, imagine if the wii u this year had its current releases plus what the 3ds had. it would look like this:
february:
bravely default
dkctf
march:
yoshi's new island
april:
disney magical world
may:
mario kart 8
mario golf: world tour
kirby triple deluxe
june:
tomodachi life
...instead of this:
february:
dkc tf
may:
mario kart 8
it would also prevent similar games from coming out somewhat close to one another, like nsmb2 and nsmbu, two very similar smash bros. games (which seems increasingly like a bad idea), or even super mario 3d land and super mario 3d world. there would be a little more breathing room and time for experimentation.
ideally, of course.
Mysterious
Banned
What do amiibos have to do with the Benz DLC in MK8?
They didn't. But that's akin to you claiming that a one-time free Benz DLC will affect NTDOY stock in any way. It won't even impact MK8 software sales.
1st Course
Member
I thought we're talking about the Bloomberg article?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Also I don't seem to understand the "omg the 3DS has no software this year". I agree that the big hitters weren't there like last year, but as you can see those big hitters didn't increase hardware sales that much either. I guess they kept the hardware sales somewhat steady though.
2014 (US):
Bravely Default
Yoshi's New Island
Disney Magical World
Mario Golf: World Tour
Kirby's Triple Deluxe
Tomodachi Life
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upcoming
Persona Q
Theathrhythm Curtain Call
Layton v. Ace Attorney
Smash 3DS
Fantasy Life
Pokemon ORAS
Sure, western third parties have never supported the 3DS, but Nintendo has managed to scrounge together a decent enough lineup w/ itself and Japanese 3rd parties that still make a title or two for the system.
I do honestly think there's a market for a truly portable 3DS. Both the XL and 2DS are both not very portable, and the regular 3DS has basically stopped selling. Nintendo could still use a revision in Japan as that's where I'd think it'd have the most impact. As such, if they were investing in a revision in Japan that was different than the 2DS, I could see that at least selling the existing customer base kind of like the XL did. It also might sell to folks who found the 3DS as it was very not portable.
2014 (US):
Bravely Default
Yoshi's New Island
Disney Magical World
Mario Golf: World Tour
Kirby's Triple Deluxe
Tomodachi Life
---
upcoming
Persona Q
Theathrhythm Curtain Call
Layton v. Ace Attorney
Smash 3DS
Fantasy Life
Pokemon ORAS
Sure, western third parties have never supported the 3DS, but Nintendo has managed to scrounge together a decent enough lineup w/ itself and Japanese 3rd parties that still make a title or two for the system.
I do honestly think there's a market for a truly portable 3DS. Both the XL and 2DS are both not very portable, and the regular 3DS has basically stopped selling. Nintendo could still use a revision in Japan as that's where I'd think it'd have the most impact. As such, if they were investing in a revision in Japan that was different than the 2DS, I could see that at least selling the existing customer base kind of like the XL did. It also might sell to folks who found the 3DS as it was very not portable.
Even though Nintendo intends to have a unified artchitecture/OS, I really wouldn't expect them to suddenly be releasing titles across both formats. That won't happen, I can almost promise it.
Robottiimu2000
Member
No. Why on earth would I think that?
But I do think Nintendo is testing out different style of DLC and in-game purchases which they haven't do so much in the past.
And as part of that, one of them is clear advertisement and product placement of other companies such as Mercedes Benz.
Does this have any effect in the stock.. Who the hell knows? I don't.
But it's an important fact to anyone who is interested in the way ninty does business.
Mysterious
Banned
We were specifically talking about how the Benz DLC will (read: won't) affect NTDOY share price. A user said that "misreporting that you can play in a Benz vehicle" when such content is not yet released will impact the share price:
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You said "Who said it will be positive?
" implying a negative effect on stock, as that was what you were replying to. Also, they didn't really misreport. The DLC is a thing, and it is coming. Them saying "you can drive in a Benz" when the DLC is a few weeks away won't change anything (even the "effects" you claim will act upon the NTDOY share price).Who said it will be positive?
And to think this kind of "product placement" DLC is irrelevant is just... o.0
It's pretty much irrelevant to the sales of this game as well as to the share price of Nintendo. I'll stand by that. Do you seriously think that Mercedes car is going to sell people on the game?
Robottiimu2000
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Robottiimu2000
Member
Oops.. Derailing thread..
Sorry
Sorry
I don't really see the benefit of Nintendo doing multiplatform releases (handheld & home console), I mean, I know it'd benefit the WiiU but it would also kill their handheld business, just like Sony killed the Vita when all they did was release console ports. I'm not sure about what the ideal plan going forward is, but I don't think that's the one.
Mysterious
Banned
I'm just specifically replying to this:
Though I may interpret it differently. Just saying that Bloomberg affects NTDOY in the business side the way IGN affects the gaming buyers. Not really into the specifics of what they said on the said article.
It needs replacing, not overhauling. It's too late for any kind of meaningful revision.
Mysterious
Banned
I don't disagree that Bloomberg affects NTDOY. I disagree that this "misreporting" of the Benz DLC as making it seem as though its available right now will affect stock, which is what the other user was claiming.
I remember a time, in 1996, when people said that about the GameBoy...
Mysterious
Banned
Then they need to get their ass on a disruptive product like Pokémon ASAP.
Also markets have change. There weren't other portable devices being refreshed every year back then. iPhone 4 (when 3DS launched) to iPhone 6s (when next handheld will presumably launch) is a huge jump in just about every category.
I'd agree if Mercedes was going to do a big cross-promotion for it. That will not happen in Western territories as it would deteriorate the brand image of Mercedes cars - they are presented as upper class cars over here. Something like Renault did with the Rabbids appears rather unthinkable.
Zeyphersan
Banned
If they can release a 3DS revision that's as big a change from GB to GBC I'd be all over it
i can almost assure you nothing would suddenly rocket the 3ds's sales to unforeseen heights. at least pokemon was an unknown in 1996. there's no unknown that could have such an effect on the 3ds, because the only unknown right now is codename steam. i mean maybe yokai watch, but that's basically also pokemon and level-5 seems to have no intention on releasing it outside japan.
It's actually around 42% and nowhere near 50%.
Yeah, my bad. I agree that miniscule factual errors that are unrelated to business won't much affect investors. They just look at the numbers and the forecasts and stuff like that.
Though as a professional news site, at least they need to be more accurate.
Zeyphersan
Banned
It's easy to say that, but Mario Kart 8 didn't move any units. It sold a lot, but to the existing audience, not a new one
Smash and Zelda run a real risk of doing the same thing
Youkai Watch: the final hope that will save 3DS in the west.
Mysterious
Banned
Yeah, my bad. I agree that miniscule factual errors that are unrelated to business won't much affect investors. They just look at the numbers and the forecasts and stuff like that.
Though as a professional news site, at least they need to be more accurate.
They are accurate: you can drive in a Benz car.
This is like IGN reporting, "You can make Mario levels in Mario Maker." Sure the software isn't available to the general public yet, but you can still do it.
GasProblem
Member
I bought a Wii U yesterday so I did my job.
Loving it so far. <3 Gamepad.
Loving it so far. <3 Gamepad.
Duxxy3
Member
3 years and it's almost done. Unbelievable really.
Not sure if it's better to innovate in this scenario, or to go back to something that worked better.
Time to start revising down dat 3DS forecast...again.
Tough position for Nintendo going forward. 3DS is fading fast, Wii U is dead, who knows how viable new platforms will be to replace them. Very little third-party support, weak software lineups into the future, growing development costs.
Need a hook, but attempting to catch lightning in a bottle isn't an easy (or sound) strategy.
Do you really?
Tough position for Nintendo going forward. 3DS is fading fast, Wii U is dead, who knows how viable new platforms will be to replace them. Very little third-party support, weak software lineups into the future, growing development costs.
Need a hook, but attempting to catch lightning in a bottle isn't an easy (or sound) strategy.
Do you really?
airmangataosenai
Member
The benefit is that Nintendo can ostensibly continue supporting the Wii U on paper while actually abandoning development for the new system. Upressed handheld games aren't going to do much on consoles and they know it. It's too late for the Wii U but they still have an obligation to release something on it until 2016 roles around.
Duxxy3
Member
Options are to move forward, and hope that they can get another Wii/DS, or go backwards and maybe lose profits, but gain stability.
Birgitte2004
Member
It's actually somewhat south of 42%, because there are lots of copies of Mario Kart 8 sitting on shelves waiting to be purchased.
I'd guess 35% is closer to the number than 42%. (35% could be 2.1 million MK8 sold and 6 million WiiUs)
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Sure, the big hitters didn't suddenly turn over hardware like lightning, but this year's lineup sure isn't helping whatever momentum the system built last year. I mean, I've enjoyed it, but the handheld market used to be more casual, and those games don't seem to have made an effect on the casual market (for whatever varied and debatable reasons).
Yep. I was paying attention to stuff like this when I was 10. The GameBoy was dying back then, and people insisting Nintendo release a successor.
Kinect has shown us that something like that is still very possible today.
I don't unterstand the constant demanding of another revision for the 3DS. So you get to buy your 4th 3DS system and build up your worthless 3DS collection? Nintendo wouldn't get anything out of this. The 3DS isn't a lifestyle product the DS was, so the revision wouldn't get millions of new people to suddenly go out and buy the product. 90% of the buyers would be upgraders. What's the point in increasing the hardware number by a couple of millions just to make it look better?