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Nintendo NX rumored to use Nvidia's Pascal GPU architecture
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The fun part is that SMD and player essence said that Nintendo has to be one of those SOC wins. Then AMD announced that Scorpio is one of the wins (Neo has to be the second x86, even SMD says that) so only the ARM one "beyond gaming" last.
When confronted to that they say : AMD has a lot of other SOC wins, they want to quit that accounting game. Except that is jumping to conclusions because I listened the conference call where Lisa Su say they have more wins, the answer and response are clearly not towards gaming.
Fairly sure they're doing it for the attention to grow their own social media presence (youtube and whatnot). It's easy to just keep repeating non-sense day after day. People posting about them here over and over is only something that helps them. After all is said and done they can just go "Oh, whoops! Guess I was wrong hehe." and then move on to the next thing that gives them attention.
Here:
Another gain by Nvidia in the case of a Tegra-based NX is that almost surely developers will tackle seriously gaming software development for their mobile solution which is something that until now eluded them with the Shield devices (in fact the games that pushed Tegra X1 were all ports of existing games funded by Nvidia itself).
Like you said Nvidia need to win a contract that put Tegra on the map or else this line won't have a future (at least not in the consumer devices).
Mihael Mello Keehl
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So RMC asked a question and they start talking about cars??? Lmao
More importantly he said, "about energy efficiency, can you talk about something other than automotive for new opportunities with Tegra" along those lines.
Suddenly he talks about automotive, and then directs the conversation to Jetson so then he doesn't have to talk about what they are doing with Tegra.
They are emphasizing the value of Tegra for the automotive initiative in the first part. The second part gives an outlook on further initiatives. That consoles are not mentioned does say nothing. It could be that there are none or he just does not want or cannot talk about it. I can't see confirmation for either or...
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Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I don't know why somebody expected a different answer from Jen-Hsun. Perhaps something along the lines of:
'Well, aside from this one mobile console win we can't even mention, it's been all automotive and that ultra successful Jetson devkit that got us into two chromebooks'.
'Well, aside from this one mobile console win we can't even mention, it's been all automotive and that ultra successful Jetson devkit that got us into two chromebooks'.
I was too slow again, I was going to mention that we knew this was the most likely circumstance that was going to happen.
Nothing was going to be confirmed and there is no conclusive evidence.
So next, we wait for Hot Chips! or, Nintendo announcing NX reveal or, a new leak to appear.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Whats hot chips? Flamin Hots?
Theonik
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The question was specifically asking about other than infotainment in automotive so that's why he talked about other points in the automotive industry. And yeah he's not going to out a product that's unannounced especially with Nintendo being quite secretive about such things. It could basically ruin the whole partnership.
Oh yeah, I remember the last time a partnership was ruined publicly.
Sony rep: *Talks to press* Yes, we have partnered with Nintendo to bring forward a CD Add-on for the Super Nintendo.
*The following day*
Newspaper headline reads:
"Nintendo have partnered with Phillips to create a CD Add-on for Nintendo."
Sony Rep: ... *Sends messages written in Morse Code via fax*
I remember Sega suing 3dfx for carelessly revealing their contract for the Dreamcast (then Black Belt) during the IPO and switching to 3dfx's competitors, VideoLogic and NEC.
Dead_Pixel
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With the recent news that Nvidia will not be releasing an updated Shield tablet, I have to wonder if this was due to a potential Nintendo-Nvidia partnership.
If Eurogamer is correct, the NX is a handheld that can output to a TV. The old Shield tablet had a 'Console mode' that allowed it to connect to a TV and play games there with a controller.
A new Shield tablet might have been stepping on the NX's toes here, and thus Nintendo may have stipulated that it shouldn't be brought to market to compete with NX.
All speculation of course!
If Eurogamer is correct, the NX is a handheld that can output to a TV. The old Shield tablet had a 'Console mode' that allowed it to connect to a TV and play games there with a controller.
A new Shield tablet might have been stepping on the NX's toes here, and thus Nintendo may have stipulated that it shouldn't be brought to market to compete with NX.
All speculation of course!
fwiw i think this thing will be an nvidia shield, basically.
Dead_Pixel
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Indeed. But with the attachable controllers mentioned in the Eurogamer article and the recent Nintendo patent.
I'm still optimistic there will be an upgrade system of some kind based on NNID (even if not free). FWIW, I think another poster mentioned some of the Wii U VC being set up with ARM (or something to this effect, I can find the post) most likely, in order to be moved so seamlessly to N3DS VC with the example of the SNES VC. I think there was also a comment made by Nintendo previously about current Wii U VC architecture being made to be able to be folded into future hardware but I can't locate the quote (or perhaps I'm misremembering).
But if Nvidia is really involved somehow in the Nintendo NX will they annouce this at the Nvidia Tegra Presentation? And if they doesen't announce something, are the Eurogamer roumors false?
Leona Lewis
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How would anyone know?
I don't know
Maybe normaly companys like Nvidia would announce something like this at those presentations if they are working together with a big company like Nintendo, and if not than this would be a sign that they are probably not involved in the Nintendo NX Leona Lewis
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Doubtful for a simple reason:I don't know
Even if NVIDIA is involved, Nintendo has not historically emphasized the internal tech powering their hardware. Instead they focus on how whatever new tech they're peddling will help create new gameplay experiences.
So whether NVIDIA is making the SoC or not, Nintendo won't let themselves be shown up by another hardware vendor with no context (i.e. games) to justify the hardware. They'll reveal NX on their own terms, and the CPU/GPU will be a footnote on a specs sheet.
So, there's a thread about the 2016 model of the Nvidia Shield being cancelled
It's already being talked about. They are skipping it because of the new Tegra Pascal line and people hope that's what the NX will use, too. Lines up with the rumour of course.
Kimishima himself said specifically that they would release the specs of NX at a later date!
So, there's a thread about the 2016 model of the Nvidia Shield being cancelled
The plot thickens!!!
Yes that.
And I do question Nvidia practically giving away chips for almost nothing like semiaccurate stated. But there's more evidence supporting Nvidia involvement than amd at this point.
Samsung Elec gets order for Nvidia's next-gen GPUs: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-nvidia-idUSKCN10N0L0
Could this be for the NX?
Could this be for the NX?
This might be for volta. Afaik pascal is 16nm?
14nm FinFET isn't much different from 16nm: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-NVID...Pascal-GPUs-even-though-AMD-already-uses-14nm
The article says it's Pascal.
Besides, Volta is already planned for 16nm FinFET at TSMC: http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/41122-nvidia-volta-is-16nm-finfet
CrAzY FiNgErS
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Pardon my ignorance, but does Samsung have a history of producing chips from a second party like Nvidia to be used in third party products like the NX? If so, does the production timing for these chips work out for them to be included in the NX for a 1st quarter release in 2017?
Mixolydian
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Samsung is manufacturing the chip before the years end..
How much lead-in time is needed before they can have those ready for a console being released soon after? Seems awful late to me, but I admittedly don't know how fast manufacturing plants can turn this stuff out.
How much lead-in time is needed before they can have those ready for a console being released soon after? Seems awful late to me, but I admittedly don't know how fast manufacturing plants can turn this stuff out.
Graphics Horse
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They make processors for Apple devices.
They did, now they only make for their phones and only iPhone 6S
TheGuardian
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It wouldn't be done like this. Nvidia would provide the design but Nintendo would handle production (in that they would hand it off to someone else). They wouldn't buy the actual final chips off nvidia.
Say whaaaaat?!
Let's go crazy everyone!!!!
http://japanese.joins.com/article/122/114122.html
(Old quote, I know, but I didn't know that Samsung ever, ever worked or had an interest in working with Nintendo until just now looking into it!)
CrAzY FiNgErS
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You have to wonder who Nintendo will announce as a manufacturer of NX GPU chips then. Hopefully this will be answered in September.
Thanks, good to know
I can tell you who Nintendo will probably announce as the manufacturer: no one
But realistically, it will be either TSMC or maybe Samsung. And it doesn't really matter much.
Not necessarily, could be Volta related for other platforms. But while we're at it, hey Samsung, how about providing a sweet 5.5" 720p Super AMOLED display for a decent price
Surely you have some left from the Note 3 Neo days
THE:MILKMAN
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Is this the exchange you are talking about from AMD's Q2 earnings Q&A?
It's a tough call that could be argued either way, but Lisa Su's first reply seems to be referencing semi-custom console wins and the second reply referencing semi-custom wins outside consoles.
CrAzY FiNgErS
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True, the manufacturer has no bearing on what the design actually is. The more important thing to me anyway is what kind of design is it? Because usually, Nintendo isn't very forthcoming about what kind of GPU tech is in their systems and what it's capable of.I can tell you who Nintendo will probably announce as the manufacturer: no one
But realistically, it will be either TSMC or maybe Samsung. And it doesn't really matter much.
The waiting game is killing me and I hope the NX has a Pascal design win.
No. If it's a custom chip, Nintendo would make the orders and then pay a licensing fee to Nvidia for each chip.
I can tell you who Nintendo will probably announce as the manufacturer: no one
But realistically, it will be either TSMC or maybe Samsung. And it doesn't really matter much.
I don't know. They did announce the node for Wii U's CPU.
To throw more crazy juice around, remember the Geno leak from months ago? Didn't part of that rumor have something to do with Nintendo and Samsung? Was he full of it? I think he also said some stuff about Pokemon and/or Pokemon GO, so I wonder if any of that panned out!
That's a really good question! Talking about such things in other threads, not a lot of people really seemed like there'd need to be a huge lead up in production or anything yet, so maybe it doesn't take as long as we think?
That's a really good question! Talking about such things in other threads, not a lot of people really seemed like there'd need to be a huge lead up in production or anything yet, so maybe it doesn't take as long as we think?
Bring back the classics
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If you look at some of Geno's leak months ago he he/she talked about a hybrid! hate to say it but this could of had more truth than what we gave credit !
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