Agreed, aside from graphics, Wii U is miles above anything this little thing could even dream of doing. This Shield thing can stream, but it does not offer a lag free experience or asymmetrical gameplay.
It has one more frame of lag than WiiU. Big whoop. And when you consider most WiiU games only run at 30 fps, they have an identical 32ms (when gaming at 60 on pc).
RIP Nvidia
All hail our AMD overlords
Looks like a custom Coolermaster case. They've made Nvidia cases in the past. Doesn't look like any of the current models but it does slightly resemble the cm 690.Semi-random question, but what computer (or case) is that?
I'm guessing $400, but it seems like it could easily be 500 or 600. According to The Verge, Nvidia were adamant that it wouldn't be a loss leader and the that tech is absolutely amazing.
60fps on PC? More like 8ms.It has one more frame of lag than WiiU. Big whoop. And when you consider most WiiU games only run at 30 fps, they have an identical 32ms (when gaming at 60 on pc).
Because black and green have been NVIDIA's colors since you were still wearing diapers.Did they choose that color scheme to confuse the casual market that it is X-boxish?
Oh...
I didn't realize that you needed a nVidia card in your PC to get the off-TV play to work. I thought it would work on all PCs. That makes this a total failure. It's PS3+PSVita remote play combo but even worse. The total cost for this unit plus a gaming PC with that nVidia tech will be enormous.
This will bomb hard. Sadly.
Understandable. I would've bought it day 1 if I was in the same situation. But I'm not, so. Day never.Probably. I wouldn't even consider it if it weren't for the fact I bought a 600-series a while ago.
Thanks. I'm just happy that my earlier estimations for the lag were more or less confirmed by the Engadget video. Before that, just because it's possible for them to do low-latency streaming didn't necessarily mean anything about what they actually achieved.
It has one more frame of lag than WiiU. Big whoop. And when you consider most WiiU games only run at 30 fps, they have an identical 32ms (when gaming at 60 on pc).
That we know about under perfect conditions and god knows how expensive of a wireless router. The real test will be when people who have all in one cable modem/routers or 50 dollars best buy routers like 90% of people. Also having another person or 2 on the wireless network trying to stream a video and downloading files while tring to use the shield. Those will be the real tests of the tech IMO.
Limiting bandwidth =/= limiting latency.
correct me if I'm wrong, but in this context 'latency' is dependent on the time it would take to transmit a frame of the videogame. And since we're not quite sure how big such a frame is, the time it would take may very well be dependent on the network's bandwidth.
Seems to me like most of the latency is going to come from the encoding and transmitting on the PC side. The latency the wireless network introduces is going to be negligible compared to that.
Not really, if they are using hardware-assisted encoding. Encoding and transmission latency should be roughly equivalent, or the latter could even be slightly higher.Seems to me like most of the latency is going to come from the encoding and transmitting on the PC side. The latency the wireless network introduces is going to be negligible compared to that.
If you mean Android games (PC games are already using the controller anyway), that shouldn't be a big problem. Android has had a proper controller API for a while now, and most high-end games suitable for button control are starting to support it.I really like the design of the Shield. Not really the most beautiful handheld ever, but putting a screen on top of a "real" controller is actually interesting.
If the price is right, it can definitely hurt 3DS and Vita sales. If those handhelds were to die, I'd probably buy the Shield as a remplacement. Only if most games work with the physical buttons, though.
This pic pretty much sums it up.
If you mean Android games (PC games are already using the controller anyway), that shouldn't be a big problem. Android has had a proper controller API for a while now, and most high-end games suitable for button control are starting to support it.
This morning I loled (mostly because it looks like a razer product) but now after watching the hands on videos and giving it some thought I will definitely consider getting this. About time the steam library breaks free from the desktop. Beefy pc machine, steam box for the living room and this for everything in between = my kind of next-gen.
I was surprised to see the Conduit listed under the tegrazone games in one of the videos demoing the Shield. Wasn't High Voltage saying they had an announcement coming up?
If you mean Android games (PC games are already using the controller anyway), that shouldn't be a big problem. Android has had a proper controller API for a while now, and most high-end games suitable for button control are starting to support it.
Oh god, companies, what are you doing, stahpWell Razer has indeed a similar concept but with some important differences. They want to use Windows 8 as the OS, it's more of a tablet PC with a controller attached, the specs are an i7 Intel cpu, and bigger screen, and there's no streaming feature as the Shield has.
http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona
This thing and this tablet are the SUVs of the portable electronics world. What an amusing trend.
cool video!
Just started watching and already it looks like the Shield will be delivering more than I had expected from it.
I was contemplating whether or not we'd see support from developers in the form of actual PC games that also have an Android version so you could switch between the two seamlessly, using the same account/save data. I figured this wouldn't make enough business sense to be a wide phenomenon, but lo and behold, they're showing off a Tegra4 version of Hawken!
This means I can play Hawken on my PC, my TV, in bed streamed to the Shield when at home, and continue playing a comparable experience (from the looks of it) on the go!
Hopefully more games will follow suit. Looks like the near future of PC gaming is going to be about supporting all kinds of peripherals like this and the Occulus Rift. Exciting stuff.
edit: in the video they are claiming the bit rate for the stream is no more than 10Mbps, which from a quick google search is comparable to a regular HD video stream. I find this quite surprising! Either they are doing some fantastic optimization at the rendering/encoding level, or H.264 is far more versatile than I thought at handling less predictable streams.
To be more precise, this means that each frame of video is effectively less than half the size I had previously estimated! (~40kB vs. ~100kB), which means the loss in compressing a real time render vs. compressing a pre-recorded feed is only about a factor of 2-3 (based on Wikipedia's 1.5 Mbps for H.264 for SD TV which should mean about 16kB per frame of pre-recorded 720p video).
Other interesting tidbits are that apparently both Kepler and Tegra4 share similar encoding/decoding hardware, as well as a custom Broadcom chip in the Shield facilitating communications. For reference, Wii U's streaming tech is also based on custom Broadcom technology so this is encouraging.
edit2: just reached the disappointing part of the video. Latency according to Nvidia is reported to be 'about 100ms'. Not entirely sure why that is, though. It doesn't sound like the compression, streaming or decompression take up a significant portion of that number. Plus, the way they explain it ("100ms from button press to muzzle flash") sounds like this includes any latency created by the game engine as well as the rendering, which isn't considered part of the delay from playing on Shield vs. on PC.
Took the words out of my mouth.Anyway, if my home network is insufficient to provide performance equivalent to their demo, I'll upgrade my home network, not blame the device. Such is the way of the PC gamer. I'm already convinced by the fact that such performance is possible.
$400 is way too expensive
They should sell it for $300
I was surprised to see the Conduit listed under the tegrazone games in one of the videos demoing the Shield. Wasn't High Voltage saying they had an announcement coming up?
Well Razer has indeed a similar concept but with some important differences. They want to use Windows 8 as the OS, it's more of a tablet PC with a controller attached, the specs are an i7 Intel cpu, and bigger screen, and there's no streaming feature as the Shield has.
http://www.razerzone.com/projectfiona