I heard a rumor that the PS4 doesn't even have a CPU. The 8GB of RAM just handle everything.
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Nvidia: PS4 specs are low end CPU and mid range GPU
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I heard a rumor that the PS4 doesn't even have a CPU. The 8GB of RAM just handle everything.
LabouredSubterfuge
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But how did "low to mid-end hardware" pull this off then?
Because that is what low to mid end 2012 PC hardware is capable of. Sorry if you've been stuck with 2005 tech for 8 years, technology does progress in the intervening years, in case you hadn't worked this out.
Lysander91
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It must suck to be NVidia. No matter who wins next-gen, they lose.
Metalmurphy
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Down from an unfounded 6GB to 4GB or less. It'll be 2 by next week.
Angelus Errare
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"Nvidia is salty!"
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Man get that logic and intelligent shit outta here. Nvidia attacked Glorious Sony! Obviously this is nothing but anger from not getting a contract with very little profit margins for Nvidia! BOO THIS MAN!
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Well he's right, they are using the weaker gpu brand and a very weak CPU.
It seems that gddr is the new fairy dust to the brand fans though. The new cell.
The specs for the consoles are too middling next gen. Makes me likely to just stick back with the PC.
It seems that gddr is the new fairy dust to the brand fans though. The new cell.
The specs for the consoles are too middling next gen. Makes me likely to just stick back with the PC.
game has a static-ass background, a fixed perspective, low res textures on the far away buildings
even if you unlock that framerate it woudlnt reach 60, hence why they chose 30
it's impressive as heck when compared to a PS3 game, it is pretty underwhelming when compared to something like Crysis
I could run that thing at 60fps on my PC right now. Most of us could.
Lysander91
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Are you serious? I have a low-to-mid end PC hardware, and it can't pull anything like that off.
Yeah sure that's what the hardware is capable of, just not in a windows PC...
The 7850 is a solidly midrange GPU and the PS4 has a better GPU than that. 7770 is more like "low- to mid-range."
Dragon1893
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Captain obvious sure is salty today.
RibbedHero
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What the hell lol. A $250 GPU is NOT a low-mid range card. This is a low-mid range card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633
A midrange card is more like the 7850. 7870 is more like upper mid-range. I don't know what kind of weird scale you guys or Nvidia are using for this. Nvidia probably considers the GTX 680 to be "mid range" and the Titan and dual GPU cards to be the only high end cards, which is BS. So no, they're not "stating facts." They're intentionally using misleading terms to make their competition look bad.
Barack Lesnar
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Low end PC gpu could be 5 tflops for all it matters since no dev takes advantage of it. Driving a Ferrari around in a congested city street...
phosphor112
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Not that I think 30fps is acceptable (it isn't), but enthusiasts bragging about 200 fps on a 60hz monitor is just silly.
It's not just money. Their APU has a huge chance of taking off. Also, nVidia doesn't "decline" their offer, it's the other way around. MS and Sony asked nVidia if they can get what AMD is giving them for that price. nVidia says no, MS and Sony laugh their way over to AMD.
Also, AMD is proving CPU and GPU in an SoC... something nVidia can't provide.
You do realize that those games are essentially still developed with years old hardware in mind? Ultra settings do not magically upgrade an engine to latest high-end hardware standards.
If a game was written specifically for an i-7 CPU and a 680GTX GPU, then we would know what current high-end games could actually look like.
Weren't most of those games held back by consoles?
.. how is it apples and oranges?
one is just better than the other, they are not different, uncomparable things. Even less so now than last gen.
I think he knows, he's just saying anything consoles can do, NVIDIA™ gpu's can do better. PC centric companies and gamers are anticipating next gen as well.
"Nvidia is salty!"
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Hasn't AMD been making money from their video cards? I thought the problem was from their CPU side.
There's no doubt NVIDIA has the upper hand on the PC but if your anything like me then you always go price v's performance. I'm not one for building the most powerful desktop as humanly possible and AMD fits into the price/performance niche.
So AMD has got a next gen console under it's belt, makes me wonder if NVIDIA missed out on Microsoft's next platform as well. Would explain the saltiness.
So AMD has got a next gen console under it's belt, makes me wonder if NVIDIA missed out on Microsoft's next platform as well. Would explain the saltiness.
RibbedHero
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Because if it isn't then PS4 just doesn't stack up, which he can't imagine being the reality.
Unfortunately, when the left hand bleeds, the right hand has to hold the rag.
Zumblakladla
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Nvidia jealous much?
This is another problem. Similar to the console "generation" argument. How do you define "mid range".
well...
Of course technology advances every 6 months and so on but sorry to burst your bubble I haven't seen anything like that excluding Crysis 2, Crysis 3 and Planetside 2.
But it still is profit.
And considering all the games designed to run on consoles with their tech you can bet that their PC GPU business will take advantage of the development too.
SapientWolf
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There's no way that's gonna happen, because the low range offerings are generally pretty awful. Barely better than integrated graphics. Because of that, even the mid range GPUs from 3 years ago are still midrange.
1st Course
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360 did actually.
I made that argument myself in this thread. Built for a closed box environment, the "low" and "medium" end components in the PS4 will outlast current high-end PC components.
Haha wow.."Nvidia is salty!"
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velociraptor
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The 7850 isn't exactly a low-end GPU.
It's pretty damn good actually. It can run every game on the market at 1080p60 at max settings.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I'm not sure what to tell you other than running those graphics at 1080p/30fps and with PPAA is not some magical feat on a mid-range 2012 GPU. Welcome to the future boys!
Agree with Phosphor112. The ramifications of the hardware will be seen over the next 5 years.
Really...?
I have always stated that comparing consoles to PC is pretty much akin to apples and oranges.
Oh well, I'll just leave the console and PC fanatics to fight it out.
Really...?
I have always stated that comparing consoles to PC is pretty much akin to apples and oranges.
Oh well, I'll just leave the console and PC fanatics to fight it out.
Can't or willingness are two different things. AMD sold out to the Chinese so they're willing to sell their firstborn at this rate.
Well, I don't see a problem if they keep expectations realistic, but anyone whose followed this for a long time (and just keeps in mind what's reasonable for prices) will understand consoles are always going to be mid range at best relative to contemporary PCs of its time of release. I do find it kind of silly treating them as if they're actually going to match or outclass newly built $1000+ PCs, at best it'll probably be through some esoteric ways, or you simply can't get 60 FPS just yet on PC from them when maxed out at 1080p, nevermind higher.
By not worrying about the hardware from 2005 anymore. Most console games have been running at 60 FPS or at least 30+ on higher resolutions than 720p on midrange hardware since about 2007, can you imagine what something even newer and significantly stronger can do without needing to worry about running well on that old hardware, even when it's low end relative to what else is on the consumer market? Actually, I guess you're seeing it right there.But how did "low to mid-end hardware" pull this off then?
Crysis 3 has static backgrounds what is your point?
Also, congrats on being one of the 5% of gamers with GPUs that are past the PS4s. Too bad you don't matter in the scheme of things.
What if I don't want to upgrade every two years ? I'm buying a console every ten years and I never have to worry about anything else, I just pop in the disc and play. God I'm so glad I'm not a graphics whore, this way I can save a lot of money and stress. No offense to PC players, to each their own.
Angelus Errare
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When you lose more money from your CPUs than you make off your GPUs it's kind of a problem.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Holy shit, how did I miss this? ROFL GOD DAMN.
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