Respectfully, if you and your girlfriend had a child, the idea of wearing a headset would be much less appealing. The appeal of VR is real and obvious, but the isolation factor of HMD is significant enough that it cannot be hand-waved away. It's not so simple as to say that everyone else can just join you in VR. The immersion of HMD VR can only be responsibly enjoyed if everything else in your life is compatible.
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NX will launch in March 2017 globally, won't be at E3 (focusing on Zelda instead)
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Respectfully, if you and your girlfriend had a child, the idea of wearing a headset would be much less appealing. The appeal of VR is real and obvious, but the isolation factor of HMD is significant enough that it cannot be hand-waved away. It's not so simple as to say that everyone else can just join you in VR. The immersion of HMD VR can only be responsibly enjoyed if everything else in your life is compatible.
lol
The funny thing is, that this doesn't show the "original" invention. Please... make one where people can laugh at the Mattel D-pad, at the Dreamcast "off-tv play"... please. Make my day.
brainchild
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Yeah, no one has been able to come up with a good rebuttal for the isolation factor. Playing online or having more HMDs in the room are not real solutions.
I'm of the opinion that Nintendo will not be on board with VR so long as VR is tethered to HMDs. It's antithetical to their penchant for local multiplayer and is a move going backwards according to their philosophy.
Their version of VR will have some kind of environmental light projection, there's no doubt about it.
Yes, that's an image I'd like to see.
It might be under powered, but the real question will be how under powered. If it is in the same ball park as PS4, that would be progress considering the Wii U and Wii were both a complete generation behind.
This would be hilarious. AMD fucks up big time and cuts Nintendo the deal of the century.
Nintendo NX = More powerful than PS4K and available for $249.99. XD, lol
Please stop
royox
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Exactly! Inventing is one thing and great, sure. But, think of the Wright brothers "inventing" planes but now we have passenger jets. Or if a caveman jumped off a cliff holding a leaf, "inventing" the parachute. They worked well enough, but they had to "get somewhere" too.
Besides, Nintendo made it all accessible, proved its worth, and made it fun. And some of them (touch screen? kart style racing game?) are just ridiculous and trying to stretch it. No one claimed they invented those things. Plus, geez, why not count the original save feature: writing down your scores on a piece of paper. (And I loved the Zork games!) How far back do we want to go?
Regardless, I think that with VR and all...Nintendo seems to have some patents and interests in AR. I think that even with a pair of Google Glass type of things (or some magical mix of mirrors/projectors/eye tracking, etc.) they could make it really fun and interesting. Though...I almost wonder if it would still be a "side" thing and not the main push of their entire library from there on out. It's kind of hard, but the mix needs found between these "altered state" sorts of games (away from just viewing a screen) and traditional games. If all the eggs are in one basket, it's hard to really intertwine the two perfectly all the time. I mean, what can a 2D Mario game offer in VR with a headset on other than shoving your eyes closer to a screen? It's all going to be really interesting in the coming years!
Can you imagine?! It would be chaos and we'd all be winners!
"Sorry...here's 14nm for half off."
brainchild
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Nah, I'd say you just missed the goal.
Try demoing a HMD in a room full of people mirrored on a big screen. That's your rebuttal. That's where you understand how well the asynchronous local MP would work with these.
LegendofLex
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The original comment was about gimmicks, no?
How is Nintendo arriving at a specific implementation of something they hadn't implemented before and using it as a selling feature for their consoles/games anything but a gimmick?
Technically you're right because the posters said "first" but...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64
you're arguing against this ^, it's a loosing battle I'm afraid.
I mean, if this turns out true, there will be heads rolling.
brainchild
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Uh, no. A big screen != A VR experience. In fact, there is a chasm separating the two. HMDs literally and physically cut you off from the real world. Unless the virtual world becomes more inclusive, it will always feel more isolating. Mirroring to a television set doesn't solve anything.
I'm not arguing that they aren't gimmicks, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Not that crazy, but maybe 50% faster than PS4 for $350 or less, or on-par with PS4 for $250
Do you even know what asynchronous MP is or you just ignored that part in my post?
I'm all for a cheaper console with better hardware due to industry screw ups!
I can see the AMD guy in 20 years:
"And that, kids, is how me nailing 20 tequila slammers on a Sunday night and turning up to work half-cut saved Nintendo"
Dead_Pixel
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Please understand the meaning of 'real-time day/night cycles'. OOT did not have a real-time day/night cycle.
LegendofLex
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I don't know why you'd argue that goalpost shifting is happening if you agree that they're gimmicks.
Dark Cloud
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Lmao
Gamer @ Heart
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It's not that clean of a material price to speed ratio.
Again, the biggest effect on price will be if they do fancy shit with the controller again.
Plus, there's plently of interesting mistakes...
For example, IIRC, Magnavox light rifle is... designed and produced by Nintendo ^_^
Uemura was in the 60s a sharp engineer trying to sell new solar cells. Seeing the potential, Nintendo bought the cells AND hired Uemura to produce lightgun toys in the end of the 60s. Yamauchi launched a couple lightgun clay arcade rooms in former bowling rooms in Japan in 1973, but I'm pretty sure the Magnavox Lightgun was one of their first involvement in video game industry.
Also, for people wondering, this it the Intellivision "D-pad" (and shoulder buttons):
(it's actually 16-ways)
brainchild
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Yes, I do. What I don't understand is how you think that asynchronous multiplayer solves the problem of people trying to socialize with your in your house while you're hooked up to a VR rig.
Humans use something like 80% nonverbal language to communicate. You lose reception to that significant portion of communication when you're using an HMD.
But I'm not arguing this? I'm so confused, lol
I'm saying that the point that that poster was making was off the mark, and what they perceived as a shift in goal posts was really just their failure to understand the original point of the original poster.
I know, I was just giving somewhat realistic examples. Also, I'd imagine that the controller would be the first place where they'd try to keep costs in check. Even Miyamoto admitted that the GamePad was too expensive. If they're doing a controller gimmick, they've almost certainly gone with a more Wii-like approach than Wii U.
Sorry, I thought we discuss about games here and local multiplayer and how you can play games together in the same room, not about socializing. Socializing it's easy, just don't use an audio headset.
Otherwise, if we talk about games played together, the exact same concept Wii U proposed with the gamepad replaced by a VR HMD works perfectly if not better. All the Nintendo Land games would work nicely with that.
brainchild
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My original post addressed two points, so I can understand how that might have been confusing.
The person I responded to was talking about a situation in which there would be small children in the house. You wouldn't be able to keep an eye on them if you wore an HMD. There is no solution involving an HMD that could solve this problem, besides putting cameras on the exterior of the HMD and then feeding a picture in picture input into the game, which would be ridiculous.
The other problem is mainly a psychological barrier. Social activities are more engaging when participants can see each other's facial reactions. When that aspect is limited, it might have a negative effect on the experience.
These issues may not seem like big issues to you, but they may still be issues that get in the way of mainstream success. If there is too much of a concerted effort to engage in the virtual reality experience, it's not going to fly with casual gamers after the novelty wears off.
It's easy to look at things from within your own bubble and believe that certain ideas will flourish, but we have to be willing to consider other perspectives as well, and I don't think the industry understands that the mass market is not just a bunch of nerds looking for escapism.
Plus, there's plently of interesting mistakes...
For example, IIRC, Magnavox light rifle is... designed and produced by Nintendo ^_^
Uemura was in the 60s a sharp engineer trying to sell new solar cells. Seeing the potential, Nintendo bought the cells AND hired Uemura to produce lightgun toys in the end of the 60s. Yamauchi launched a couple lightgun clay arcade rooms in former bowling rooms in Japan in 1973, but I'm pretty sure the Magnavox Lightgun was one of their first involvement in video game industry.
Also, for people wondering, this it the Intellivision "D-pad" (and shoulder buttons):
(it's actually 16-ways)
I was about to say. What buttons DIDN'T the Intellivision have?! That and the Jaguar controller are insanity. Gotta have them numbers! Hopefully the NX controller has a numerical key pad in it!
This is the most childish thing i've ever seen on the internet. It just feels like a reaction towards all those people who say Nintendo innovated videogames more and more times.
You know, the hardware could end up being barely more powerful than the Wii U and that statement would still have little to do with it.
Why are people so bothered by this, so what if Nintendo did not do any of these things first?
I gotta admit, as someone who used to troll a lot in his younger years, this does make me laugh. So you got that going for ya.
Man the extreme length that people go through to try and dismiss the fact that Nintendo did change the video game market with their products.
It's what a sad fan boy would do.
brainchild
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Because it's not just misleading, it's inaccurate and an easy way to spread misinformation.
The 'first' inventions of those concepts look nothing like Nintendo's implementations, and it's Nintendo's implementations that other companies are copying, not the 'first' inventions.
For all intents and purposes, Nintendo invented those features in the forms that we attribute those features to.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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That picture is something Chad Warden would use in an argument.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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lmaooo, yo that picture
Wait, are you trying to tell met that your DS4 doesn't have a 16-way digital disc on it!? :O
gamerMan
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This is silly. You could do this with anything as none of the products are even similar. Also there is a terrible inaccuracy. The Dual Shock was not the first dual stick joystick. This was:
Also I don't know anyone who would claim GCN had the first dual joystick controller.
AcademicSaucer
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Someone should make a thread on the AMD thing, its too hilarious if true.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I really hope it's true for the laughs
Pretty much. Nintendo actually utilized most of these these things in their own way. Analog stick? someone else made that, but Nintendo was the only company taking the 3D revolution seriously day 1, while the others had to make their new controller with analog later.
Their use of motion controls? They've actually experimented in the past as far back as the NES with the U-Force (uses only your hands and non-wearable like a primitive Kinect) and the Power Glove (wearable). Both came out in 1989. The Wii was their most innovative of these and now everyone copies that and everything under the sun nowhas some form of gyro and accelerometers now.
Despite not making many firsts like the picture, they have modernized and popularized them. No one would really want to play on a controller with an analog stick like the Radofin.
I want this because I dont actually know the full story
Unfortunately, looking over the production plants in Upstate NY, we can't say what type of node the NX is on with the information that we have as the range is from 14-28 standard. But if its the factory producing X1.5 parts, and its apparently easy to fuck up the slides on the same production line, then they probably share the same fab. Just question of what fab would the X1.5 be on...
Problem is its hard to say if its true or not... but if someone feels the need, go ahead. It certainly blows this whole situation up and gives some clarity at the same time.
Might even spur some journalists to dig into it.
Problem is its hard to say if its true or not... but if someone feels the need, go ahead. It certainly blows this whole situation up and gives some clarity at the same time.
Might even spur some journalists to dig into it.
reelbigtink
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Same, but I know it would quickly devolve into people e-shouting at each other
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