NYCmetsfan
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This is my sadness. They're cutting the skipstop z and rush hour express J that skips 3 stops in Brooklyn.
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NYC subway tunnel used by 225,000 people a day will shut down for 18 months in 2019
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perineumlick
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sorry dp
In LA at least, the vast majority of people don't ride the rails.
crooked spin
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I suppose you could grab a $3000 1 BR for $2800 or something. What a deal!
badcrumble
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An express track within Manhattan doesn't make a ton of sense - the L train's eventually going to connect with the 2nd Avenue line at the 1st Avenue stop (that's the supposed plan, anyway), meaning it would only have one 'skippable' stop in Manhattan. An express track in Brooklyn would be a good thing, sure, but that's not the portion of the train that's getting shut down.
I'm so curious to see how this is going to affect Brooklyn real estate. It's going to be a big deal. The hardest hit will probably be to East Village businesses, though.
They'd have announced that if they were doing it, but I agree that it'd be very nice. Extending the 7 down to 14/10 while they were at it would be a pretty good thing too.
victreeb3l
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Catching a Z was like an unicorn sighting. I never believed they were real until I just happened to get on one.
CrocMother
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A lot of bus to JMZ lines I imagine
darkhunger
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Not necessarily longer, depends on where on the L you live. More transfers perhaps.
You can take the G to the EM or ACF, or walk to the JMZ. Or the bus. And this is really if you live in Williamsburg.
Those further in the L can transfer to a bunch of other lines to Manhattan as well.
Saint Gregory
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Man, that sounds even worse than the disaster with the DC Metro. I grew up in Brooklyn along that line and it was pretty crucial to get me to school and back. If you live any farther along the line than Livonia ave. you're kind of fucked too because there's no other train lines that run to that area in Brooklyn.
badcrumble
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Sadly, Mayor de Blasio is way too beholden to the taxi companies to let this happen. Dude is waaaaay too pro-motorist.
I'm surprised they went with the 18 month shut down.
I think this is the right call. Having the L train run on the same track would be a disaster if any track issues popped up (fires, electrical, etc).
From time to time one train would run from Broadway Junction to Rockaway Pkwy. That was annoying.
I think this is the right call. Having the L train run on the same track would be a disaster if any track issues popped up (fires, electrical, etc).
From time to time one train would run from Broadway Junction to Rockaway Pkwy. That was annoying.
Yes, they plan to create a shuttle across the Willamsburg.
badcrumble
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If it's anything like the times the G has shut down, shuttles honestly shouldn't be THAT bad most of the time (insofar as they send one like every 2 minutes) but they won't be able to fully accommodate rush hour traffic.
Basically, if you use the L's easy transfer to nearly every other train line for your commute, nothing else is really going to be a workable substitute. Move to the 7, I guess, or to somewhere directly off of the train you were transferring to.
badcrumble
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Well, I think that situation was more an issue of funding than competence in execution.
Daddy warbucks is footing the bill for this L train business. They already plan on basically gutting and redoing the entire tunnel, and they have experience in repairing sandy damage, so it's unlikely that there will be any big surprises.
Baroquemantic
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Wow, that's a long time needed to fix it. Thankfully, people have a few years to plan ahead. And at least folks won't be taking Ls on the daily for a while.
Bruce Springsteen
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They better triple the cars on the G line
Wind's Howling
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If anything, and I speak from experience here in my country (Holland), those 18 months will become years and years.
They neglect the fact that you have hundreds of years of old construction above your heads.
They neglect the fact that you have hundreds of years of old construction above your heads.
Why would they neglect that and how does it matter here?
Most of the stuff being done is in tunnels under the river. They're basically going to strip them to the walls and redo everything inside. What's above is irrelevant.
The stuff like new entrances and elevators is a minor "'while we're at it" thing
I'm from Germany, where every city above I'd say 100k has a subway or light rail system. But I guess it's way harder to make it viable with the urban sprawl in American cities.
That's what I figured. No wonder there's so much traffic.
badcrumble
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What are the odds that this'll actually result in short-term investors panicking and property actually becoming affordable in Brooklyn again?
Realtors are already shying away from showing rentals off the L train. So very likely.
0%.
The G was a shitshow and rent went up in Greenpoint and LIC at the time. Not as critical as the L train, but still. Just take the L to the G and then transfer to downtown brooklyn or LIC to get into Manhattan. It'll be a pain in the ass for sure, but if you live far enough out in BK it's already a pain in the ass to get to Manhattan.
Bruce Springsteen
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you can dream
It won't get "affordable" but prices will absolutely go down. It's still years out and I have friends in realty that are choosing not to show stuff off the L train nearly as much.
Anything off the JMZ train is just going to get higher which sucks for me.
Wind's Howling
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For the white areas or is the only direct line and the reason those areas gentrified in the first place, direct access to the village.
Brown people still have transfers to the A M J Z trains at Broadway junction.
Also as a reference the R tunnel shutdown came in under schedule, so there or hope for 18 months.
That's an interesting way to simplify it.
Those hipsters barely leave brooklyn anymore though. So long as they can get between Bedford and Bushwick they'll be fine. Or they can *gasp* take the L to broadway junction and get in the city easily. Luckily the L does run both ways.
TarpitCarnivore
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Every day I cross the portal bridge I wonder if it's the day it collapses.
I don't think the rents will go down at all. 18 months is not that long, although I don't think there is any way that the MTA will actually finish this in 18 months.
The only people this will have a huge impact on are the people who live off of Bedford and not close enough to Lorimer to walk. Everyone else has stops earlier they can transfer to, although it would be a bit of a hassle.
At least this will curb the amount of bros and bridge and tunnel folk coming into North Brooklyn on the weekends.
The only people this will have a huge impact on are the people who live off of Bedford and not close enough to Lorimer to walk. Everyone else has stops earlier they can transfer to, although it would be a bit of a hassle.
At least this will curb the amount of bros and bridge and tunnel folk coming into North Brooklyn on the weekends.
This I'm ok with.
In general you are probably right but this is a special situation.
The work they intend on doing is "replace everything in the tunnels". I don't think there's going to be much unexpected work.
Also they've done this exact same thing before (shut down a tunnel for years to fix sandy damage), and they completed it ahead of schedule.
The federal government is paying for it, so I doubt money is much of a concern. Even if it is, they've already done this exact type of repair so they will have a good idea of what it will cost.
Plus, it doesn't start until 2019 so there's plenty of time to line up all the equipment, materials, contractors, workers, etc
The Last Wizard
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Yup, construction always goes way past projection. Look at the the smith and 9st station, that was supposed to be like 1-2 years I think and then ended up being 3 iirc.
I know the feeling.
This outage was long expected, so it's not a surprise. You can almost guarantee it will take well over 2 years because the MTA employs some of the slowest workers in the history of humankind. Sucks for those people on the L. I could never live in a place that was totally dependent on one train. Scary.
As I said before, I have to give the mta credit on this with. The R shutdown came in under schedule for similar work and the same funding scheme.
Do not assume this work goes over.
dragonflys545
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I work in Williamsburg, this is going to suck for my co-workers if they are still here by then. I drive to work everyday, so that's not an issue for me.
The people in the booths aren't the people laying track.
I dunno why everyone in this thread keeps ignoring the fact that the MTA already successfully completed a project identical to this one ahead of schedule
Clockwork5
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It's literally easier than riding a bike.
phazedplasma
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Rents will keep going up 100%.
Its very easy to ride to queens, but easier just to citibike across the williamsburg bridge and hop a subway in manhattan.
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