This has been done for years. It's hardly a tactic that belongs to either camps.
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October 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes November 10th
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This has been done for years. It's hardly a tactic that belongs to either camps.
3rdamention
Member
Sam's Club Black Friday Ad just leaked. They have the Xbox One Gears of War Bundle for $299.
So another Black Friday ad where the prices are staying at $299 (except the nice Meijer deal with the extra $50 coupon). Seems so far, the deals now are better than Black Friday, at least for the Xbox 1. Cant wait until WalMart, Best Buy, Target and Toys R US ads leak.
Obliterator
Member
Pick up rate percentages are extremely high.
Are you telling me you think there is even a 10% chance RotTR will outsell FO4 on Xbone
Curious what you believe FO4 launch numbers will look like.
Most places are doing $50 off for black friday so the fallout 4, tomb raider and holiday bundle are 349.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Either way, it's probably in MS' best interest to throw in the towel on Xbox One and speed up development of the next one for a 2017 release. That Xbox One reveal, we laugh at it now, but MS basically ceded this generation to Sony.
It's probably time to consider Xbox One a lost cause and move on to the next one ASAP.
It's probably time to consider Xbox One a lost cause and move on to the next one ASAP.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Don't get me wrong FO4 will kill RoTTR demand heavily. I just don't see RPG's selling well on XB1 than average genre games. Remember this is just one shop we are talking about (in NY) and FO4 has better chance of having legs while RoTTR is more front loaded.
No lol. The XB1 can be a profitable machine and a good console. Just because they aren't "winning" in global sales doesn't mean the console is doomed.
If that was the case the PS3 wouldn't have lasted 7-8 years
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
If Sony can beat MS in a month where a major Halo game gets released, then it has to be considered.
Throw in the towel, clean sheet design, start over.
Obliterator
Member
Fallout 4 is going to launch absolutely gigantic on both consoles. It will dwarf TR even on the Xbone
We aren't talking about a JRPG.
The game should do fine. PS4 version will have higher sales for obvious reasons though.
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No. Too over the top. The system is nowhere close to being in that much trouble. They made a huge amount of money from Halo's launch regardless of if they win or lose October NPD.
The console will remain relevant in the territories it's doing solid in and MS will just build things up from there when it comes to creating more support for people who own the console and people who don't that may be eventually interested in it.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I'm sure they have already started that before the release of Halo. Even so, they can still get some use out of the system. Get as much profit as possible before heading into next gen.
nah lol. It may not win this gen but it can still make money. It's still a viable console and one many people are interested in. Yes their reveal was a clusterfuck, but now it's an attractive alternative.
So I use to run gamestop locations for 5 years a long time ago, been out of retail for quite awhile. Decided to pick up some hours this holiday by helping an old friend out at his store.
Xbox Ones fucking went off this weekend in my town (there's 3 stores). I know at the store I help out we sold all 12 of our elite bundles, all 10 of our holiday bundles and when I left we had 5 gears of war bundles left and started with I believe 15 (could be wrong).
We also sold 10 PS4 COD systems, no idea on uncharted ones.
Was a crazy weekend period for everyone.
Xbox Ones fucking went off this weekend in my town (there's 3 stores). I know at the store I help out we sold all 12 of our elite bundles, all 10 of our holiday bundles and when I left we had 5 gears of war bundles left and started with I believe 15 (could be wrong).
We also sold 10 PS4 COD systems, no idea on uncharted ones.
Was a crazy weekend period for everyone.
Obliterator
Member
I believe that fo sho
Ps3 survived with worldwide sales, but still got destroyed By 360 in the US. X1 Is losing in the US and has no chance of WW sales to save it. So it's really not the same scenario At all.
This month and holiday by extension will be insane.
My overall point is that MS can and still will be profitable with this. Of course they are looking into their next console. Sony is as well.
But to say MS should cut their losses and essentially abandon the XB1 is crazy.
hmmm ok
edit: To be clear what I posted is 100% accurate, believe what you like sir.
It's not the exact same scenario but both situations are no where close to "doom" (a la Wii U).
gaming_noob
Member
They could release a new console in 2017, then in 2019 when Xbox starts to hit its stride PS5 comes out.
I helped out a buddy too and had a similar situation lol
Obliterator
Member
What? I believe you. Seems.......accurate
PS2 was in the midst of shortages during the transition to PSTwo at that time. Note that Jan and Feb were way higher than normal for PS2 in 2005, which was a result from pent-up demand being satisfied.
It's hard to tell with your post if you actually believe me or if you're being a smart ass
Unlike the guy you quoted earlier who's numbers seem weird. Tomb Raider has 7 reserves in our store and over 200 on fallout (almost split 50/50). Battlefront is over 250 with over 60% on PS4.
Obliterator
Member
It's hard to tell with your post if you actually believe me or if you're being a smart ass
Unlike the guy you quoted earlier who's numbers seem weird. Tomb Raider has 7 reserves in our store and over 200 on fallout (almost split 50/50). Battlefront is over 250 with over 60% on PS4.
Everything in this post sounds on point.
Read it peeps
According to what I' ve seen the PS4 -is- listed as an online only deal, but it doesn't add up.
They have a bundle Battlefront PS4 (regular ed) + 2nd controller (the game doesn't have local co-op afaik) for ... $389. .. no deal at all pretty much.
EDIT: Actually the PS4 is in the front page of the Sam's club BF ad, so nm.
Their "Event Deal" is the Uncharted bundle at $299, along with a vizio 58" at $698 and a HP 15.6" laptop @ $499.
http://www.bfads.net/Black-Friday/Sams-Club/Ad?page=1#viewer
The PS4 is going to sell BOAT LOADS.
It's hard to tell with your post if you actually believe me or if you're being a smart ass
Unlike the guy you quoted earlier who's numbers seem weird. Tomb Raider has 7 reserves in our store and over 200 on fallout (almost split 50/50). Battlefront is over 250 with over 60% on PS4.
I thought you needed to be mod certified or something like that for that kind of stuff?
Agreed. Always welcome to have more contributions with good supporting analysis!
If a mod, like say Kagari who knows I help out at GameStop wants to post that this is accurate, they can.
Obliterator
Member
Listen to Somnia
ok fair enough
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Says who? Xbone doesn't have anything to offer in 2016 (I know the lineup, 5-6 games so far. A bit jelly about Scalebound). Look at what Sony is bringing in.
It already looks like MS is trying to do damage control and save up for the possible next console.
Whoops, sorry, didn't get that vibe out of those numbers. You should have also added in a line to explain it a little better.Dude, that's was my point.
Walmart and BB need to release theirs. Just to confirm $299 at those stores.
shinra-bansho
Member
[WIU] 58k
[3DS] 108k
[XB1] 318k
[PS4] 328k
[3DS] 108k
[XB1] 318k
[PS4] 328k
The Mad Draklor
Member
He was talking about RPG's, in general, which includes WPRG's. Though unlike Dragon Age: Inquisition and The Witcher III, Fallout 4 has FPS qualities.
EdReedFan20
Member
I agree. However, I do think we will see a redesigned XB1 soon, though (maybe at one of the next two E3s). I think they can make the system much smaller and still not have to worry about heating issues. I assume that's the reason why it was so big in the first place (even with having a power brick). They absolutely wanted to avoid another red ring fiasco. If they do a redesign, I wonder if they would drop some things. For instance, I wonder if they would axe the HDMI Out feature and, if so, I wonder how much money and space they'd be saving if they did so.
Obliterator
Member
Sales GAF
What do you expect FO4 launch retail numbers to be? Someone be brave haha
What do you expect FO4 launch retail numbers to be? Someone be brave haha
Welfare
Member
2.5 million. Opens slightly lower than Skyrim.
1.5 million
Between 1.8-2.5 million. I know way too large of a range, but I give up anymore lol
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
It's still a major stigma, the ghosts of Mattrick. I think Spencer said in the past few weeks that people still ask him if the X1 is always online. That, plus the resolution stuff and the parity clause for indies, Forza 6 failing to chart on the NPDs and RotTR being sent out to die... if Nintendo is no longer playing with house money, MS should follow their lead too.
We still get people in the store asking if XB1 plays used games or if you have to be online. It's something that will last the entire generation. They just have to do what they can to fight that stigma over the entire generation to get ready for the next.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Welp, there goes MS only marketing deal.
Nightengale
Member
Swerving around marketing deals are like the expected norm these days. MS/Sony will both pull "moves" against the stuff that gets their boots shaking.
The question is of course which deals manage to be effective despite competition undercutting the deal with a freebie. Last year's Destiny deal was a strong example of a huge win for Sony, where the more expensive marketing deal bundle won over the freebie bundle significantly.
???
I guess there's no more marketing deals since both MS and Sony will seemingly have free game weeks to compete against the other company's official deal for the rest of this gen.
Is there a shiny Fallout themed Xbone bundle in NA?
Nightengale
Member
Only if you win it via competitions. Not readily available.