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Only Five measly trophies for a 2016 PSN game.? come on Sony.
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NightShift
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Does Sony have a requirement for all games to have trophies these days? If so that's bullshit and makes it obvious that the Firewatch devs didn't want them.
Oppo
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think Don't Starve did something similar
write an email to Idle Thumbs. it's the devs decision as mentioned.
I would argue that they should have full choice to do what they want (which they don't – there is a minimum # of trophies that must be included and I bet it is actually 5)
write an email to Idle Thumbs. it's the devs decision as mentioned.
I would argue that they should have full choice to do what they want (which they don't – there is a minimum # of trophies that must be included and I bet it is actually 5)
aygomyownroad
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I have only ever managed to get 100% achievements on Oblivion and Fallout 3 on my old Xbox gamertag.not had a single platinum.
I don't go out of my way to get them. Good on the dev for not making us grind some crap to get a bronze/10gp
I don't go out of my way to get them. Good on the dev for not making us grind some crap to get a bronze/10gp
get2sammyb
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It's not a major problem, but the inconsistency is absolutely insane. I think the only way to solve it is to mandate that every game has a Platinum Trophy, much like I believe Microsoft ensures all games have 1000GS.
I did just write an OpEd on this which may have influenced the creation of the thread: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/02/opinion_firewatchs_paltry_five_trophies_prove_that_the_system_needs_fixing XD
I did just write an OpEd on this which may have influenced the creation of the thread: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2016/02/opinion_firewatchs_paltry_five_trophies_prove_that_the_system_needs_fixing XD
xrnzaaas
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I was talking about PS4 games in general. A lot of bigger games published by Sony also had very easy trophies (and often no platinum). In my case it's not a dealbreaker, but it's always nice to be rewarded with trophies even if a game is rather linear and focuses on telling a good story.
Yeah I think both MS and Sony require them at this point but I might be mistaken. The rules might not hold the same for DLC. Pretty sure the first Garden Warfare games had DLC achievements that didn't translate to trophies
KingHenrik30
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The trophy fetish baffles me. Just play the game, enjoy that accomplishment.
There were people who refused to play Valkyria Chronicles because it didn't have trophies. That's insane.
There were people who refused to play Valkyria Chronicles because it didn't have trophies. That's insane.
MegaSackman
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Sometimes I think the planet is populated with people that I didn't know they existed.
Or that there was a shift at some point in time and I wasn't aware of that and kept going to the same place but when I looked back I saw a lot of people going in a different direction, and I don't know why or what's happening.
Or that there was a shift at some point in time and I wasn't aware of that and kept going to the same place but when I looked back I saw a lot of people going in a different direction, and I don't know why or what's happening.
I'm not making something out of nothing. I posted my opinion on a subject.
Sony treated it like a big deal when it was announced and shown for the first time, they showed it Sony's E3 show (if I remember correctly), it had a segment for itself, it wasn't thrown under the bus in a indie mix dubstep video. So it looks to be regarded as more of a game than the rest of the indies that they showed.
vareon said:
Sorry this thread wasn't meant to be "angry".. maybe my wording needs to be better. ;o)
and no, I'm not a trophy hunter. But it bugs me that the system is so inconsistent.
I get that some games are better without trophies popping here and there.. I like the way that Blow did it with the Witness, it works in that way... but reading the tittle of the trophies at the site for Firewatch, makes me think they are just lazy. Like reading a book and getting a trophy for finishing a chapter in the book. Hey I might be wrong..
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Not really. More like a good way to see spoilers or if a dev is trying to cash in on trophy hunters.
80s Bad Guy
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Most of those guys are ex-telltale, who also use very simple trophies. They don't really care about that stuff and would rather you enjoy the game.
A novel concept, I know.
A novel concept, I know.
I was just checking the trophies for Firewatch to get an indication on how the game plays. Trophy lists are a good way to see stuff about a game before it launches, and I'm very much looking forward to this game.
So I went here: (spoilers for trophies, for those who care, at the link)
http://psnprofiles.com/trophies/4291-Firewatch
and wtf? only FIVE trophies for this game..? I'm in no way a trophy hunter.. I never go for a trophy unless I really enjoy a game and want something extra out of the game.
But FIVE trophies? Even Goat simulator has 30+ trophies.. and a Platinum trophy.
I hate the inconsistency in how Sony allows developers to implement trophies (or whatever the reason is for the BIG difference in trophy numbers). Some games have lots of trophies others have less than toes on Halle Berry's left foot..
What do you guys think about a pretty high profile game (at least Sony showed it at their big shows) for the Playstation 4, only having FIVE trophies..?
What trophies campo santo want to put in this game is down to them not Sony.
Why though?
Firewatch is a narrative driven game which the dev didn't think needed any unnecessary trophies. Why should they be forced to have some arbitrary number of trophies to please a very small group of people that will let the number of trophies in a game sour their opinion of it.
Provide v̶a̶l̶u̶e̶ validation I guess.
binarymelon
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The devs actually briefly discussed this choice in the recent PS Blogcast.
Edit: Sorry, no timestamp.
Edit: Sorry, no timestamp.
Fantastapotamus
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What a rip-off. I demand at least 2 trophies for every dollar I spend on the game.
get2sammyb
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Absolutely nothing, this thread isn't about that. It's the simple fact that there's so much inconsistency between Trophy sets, and no rhyme or reason as to why.
GinoFelino
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Just be thankful anything still has trophies/achievements in 2016. They're often lazily implemented, rarely of any value, and a half-assed leftover of the previous console generation.
Here's hoping someone figures out how to make them relevant again, or is brave enough to let them die.
Edit:
This is actually one fun thing about them. It's interesting to see how far people generally progress in a game, or what people missed. Probably valuable to developers as well.
Here's hoping someone figures out how to make them relevant again, or is brave enough to let them die.
Edit:
This is actually one fun thing about them. It's interesting to see how far people generally progress in a game, or what people missed. Probably valuable to developers as well.
this.
Quote
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Why does there need to be a consistent number of trophies?
Games are made by different developers, some of them hold different opinions on what "deserves" a trophy, that's the reason.
Sony shouldn't force developers to put more trophies in to a game if they don't want to.
Because consistency. Microsoft did it and so should Sony.
I think the only thing Sony cares to enforce is rules regarding the platinum trophy.
The reason behind the inconsistency is that it is just a developer choice of the number they put in. There don't seem to be that many rules on trophies except having a certain point value required to put in a platinum trophy. I can't remember if there is something about full retail or digital only releases that affects trophies. Is there a full retail game that does not have a platinum?
It's a shame game developers are being branded as lazy because of their design decisions for Trophy or Achievement implementation.
SiegfriedFM
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So a game like Journey should be forced to have as many trophies as some bloated collectathon open world AAAAAA shootbang RPG?
I feel like there is a place for them, and it's great for the people who like them.
I do think that if a dev didn't want their game to have any trophies they shouldn't be forced to put some in.
I agree. I think they make games too same-y and whenever they pop up it takes me out of a game.
You know what weirds me out? How every single topic about trophies/achievements is flooded by people that want the world to know how much they don't care about them.
It's like the video game equivalent of being a vegetarian.
Yeah, I think at the very least Sucker Punch used the data from infamous when working on infamous 2
Gravy Boat
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I think that would be a terrible idea. Sony shouldn't have any input over creative decisions unless they own the studio. I think it's bad enough that trophies are mandatory. I'm totally neutral towards trophies (never go for them, don't dislike them either, they're just kind of there) but forcing devs to include them seems like a weird choice.
I have disabled trophy notifications the very first day I bought my PS4.
I don't know what trophies the game has, I don't really care if it is 5 or 105. It would be nice if Sony would allow us to delete them, but I never look into that tab on my console so it doesn't bother me mucj.
All I care is that the game is good, and Firewatch looks very promising, I will buy it day one.
I don't know what trophies the game has, I don't really care if it is 5 or 105. It would be nice if Sony would allow us to delete them, but I never look into that tab on my console so it doesn't bother me mucj.
All I care is that the game is good, and Firewatch looks very promising, I will buy it day one.
Saint of Killers
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;D Pre-oder double-downed upon.
I'm not saying 30 or 40, I'm just saying they should enforce a rule of "at least 13 trophies" for example, for every game, download only or not.
Trophy and achievement threads always go the same way, it seems people just can't understand that some like trophies and that going for them is fun. Claiming that they are pointless and interfer with the game seems so silly, you can just disable the notifications and play it.
For the OP, this is a strange complaint, the developers decide how many trophies the game has and that's it. In this case they clearly didn't care for them and just threw a few in it. Just be "glad" that all games have trophy lists now per Sony demand.
For the OP, this is a strange complaint, the developers decide how many trophies the game has and that's it. In this case they clearly didn't care for them and just threw a few in it. Just be "glad" that all games have trophy lists now per Sony demand.
But why? Why should Sony force developers to add trophies if the developers do not think they fit the game?
I use trophies as stepping stones to get the most out of the game. It's great incentive to explore parts of a game you normally would not do.
I will use Hyrule Warriors and Dragon Quest Heroes as an example.
I spent 40 hours playing Hyrule Warriors but once I finished the main campaign I stopped playing I didn't get very far in challenge mode.
I have spent nearly 70 hours on Dragon Quest Heroes trying to get the Platinum, working through the trophy list getting everything.
I noticed I spend up to 50% longer with a game with trophies than without. In Final Fantasy XIII I finished the main campaign in 65 hours but got the platinum at 113 hours. Normally I would have moved on to another game.
Another example would be collecting the 20 bobbleheads in Fallout 4. They provide minor stat increases but would not actively hunt them down if it wasn't a trophy incentive. Also the 3 endings, I would explore one and not bother with the other 2.
It's like being in school and getting the Gold sticker for being good and completing homework. I was one of those kids who went the extra mile to get the Gold star.
This is just an extension of that conditioning.
If you don't like trophies just disable notifications and leave the rest of us to enjoy them.
I will use Hyrule Warriors and Dragon Quest Heroes as an example.
I spent 40 hours playing Hyrule Warriors but once I finished the main campaign I stopped playing I didn't get very far in challenge mode.
I have spent nearly 70 hours on Dragon Quest Heroes trying to get the Platinum, working through the trophy list getting everything.
I noticed I spend up to 50% longer with a game with trophies than without. In Final Fantasy XIII I finished the main campaign in 65 hours but got the platinum at 113 hours. Normally I would have moved on to another game.
Another example would be collecting the 20 bobbleheads in Fallout 4. They provide minor stat increases but would not actively hunt them down if it wasn't a trophy incentive. Also the 3 endings, I would explore one and not bother with the other 2.
It's like being in school and getting the Gold sticker for being good and completing homework. I was one of those kids who went the extra mile to get the Gold star.
This is just an extension of that conditioning.
If you don't like trophies just disable notifications and leave the rest of us to enjoy them.
for me Trophies are a nice way to "finish" a game. I played skyrim and completed the game. I Really like the game, I wandered around the world and did some random stuff, but I wanted more, so I looked at the trophies and saw that there was still lots of stuff for me to do in the game. If it hadn´t been for the trophies I would probably had put the game down shortly after I finished it, but because of trophies I played it much more.
Just an example on why trophies can be a good thing.. it sometimes makes you discover stuff in games you normally never would discover unless you spent an insane amount of hours in a game.. and search every corner of the world. Hey I even platinumed Bloodborne because I wanted to see everything there is in the game.. Loved it, but I don't care about the plat trophy I got, I just care that I got to see and experience everything in the game, because of the Trophies.
If I end up liking a game like Firewatch, after my initial playthrough there is nothing left for me in the game, even though I liked the game. It's not like I would go right back to the game and play through the game again to see the exact same stuff again.. so unless the devs have hidden alot in the game, or there are some other stuff to do in the game, then one play through is all it will ever get from me. A broader trophy list or some hidden stuff would make me dive right back in to try to find all stuff that is in the game.
Granted all this can be done without trophies, but since we have that on PS4 and Xbox One today, why not use it to give the player some incentive to go back into the game?
Isn't it "at least 5 trophies" right now? I've never seen a game with less than that.
Good post.
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If that's true then it's too low. Also, none of the games I've played had only five.