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Only Five measly trophies for a 2016 PSN game.? come on Sony.
- Thread starter Hanmik
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You never explained why that was important or mattered.
No problem with 5 trophies. They don't add anything to the game, everything they ask you to do can be done without them.
I don't see how trophies could be a better indication of gameplay then let's plays, streams, or reviews. You have many outlets for it.
Finish the story, platinum*.
* Platinum trophy is removed monthly, if the user does not have a legit copy of the game the trophy is erased from the profile after online verification is complete.
No it's not, there should be no minimum for trophies.
I don't see how trophies could be a better indication of gameplay then let's plays, streams, or reviews. You have many outlets for it.
Finish the story, platinum*.
* Platinum trophy is removed monthly, if the user does not have a legit copy of the game the trophy is erased from the profile after online verification is complete.
No it's not, there should be no minimum for trophies.
I like going for trophies, but I definitely disagree with this. For me developers should be free to put how many trophies they want, and should be able to have none too. It's their work and if they decide that it doesn't fit the game that's their choice. Granted most games would probably have some anyway.
Gravy Boat
Member
Why is it too low? How do we decide what should be the arbitrarily correct number of trophies?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This was a joke in 2006 and It's a joke now.
It's cool that trophies and achievements are in buy who gives a damn about how many. As if it affects how the game plays.
It's cool that trophies and achievements are in buy who gives a damn about how many. As if it affects how the game plays.
Damn, how did I miss this option? I was just gonna comment like the other guy about how distracting and annoying they can be for certain games.
Demoskinos
Member
Some people might value their artistic integrity more than petty pandering to a specific group of people.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Are you guys serious? Are people really about to blow up trophies?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
People blaming Sony for this are in the wrong. There was a great interview on the blogcast this week, they talked about trophies for about 5 minutes and the decision was made to do the trophies the way they are by the developers themselves.
It was an intentional choice, you will get 100% of the trophies by finishing the game. They limited the number because they didn't want you dinging trophies in the middle of a scene and they wanted all optional content to truly be optional and organic rather than folks doing it for the sakes of a trophy.
Also they talk about the Firewatch dynamic theme for a while and it sounds rad. Maybe I'll finally get to replace my Transistor theme.
It was an intentional choice, you will get 100% of the trophies by finishing the game. They limited the number because they didn't want you dinging trophies in the middle of a scene and they wanted all optional content to truly be optional and organic rather than folks doing it for the sakes of a trophy.
Also they talk about the Firewatch dynamic theme for a while and it sounds rad. Maybe I'll finally get to replace my Transistor theme.
Stormhammer
Member
Onigiri has 0 trophies for PS4, but achievements for Xbox One ;=;
Demoskinos
Member
Artistic Integrity doesn't put food on your table. But hey if that's the choice they made then so be it. And again, yes this matters to a lot of people. If you don't believe me just listen to the latest PS I Love You podcast. Colin and Gregg both went off about this.
I would argue that Goat Simulator is the perfect game to have lots of trophies, due to it's "fuck around" nature. While story based games like Firewatch are less in tune to achievements.
That being said, 5 trophies is pretty lame. I haven't heard of a game having so few achievements since the first batch of games came out on the 360.
That being said, 5 trophies is pretty lame. I haven't heard of a game having so few achievements since the first batch of games came out on the 360.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
They are trophies. Your not going to play a game because the developer didn't feel they were necessary?
And i assume you are on board with ps2 classics than right? Because most seem to hate trophies being added to those because it takes more work
As a developer I can tell you Trophies do not cost nothing to add. It takes man hours to design and engineer them into the code base and then fix any bugs once implemented. Then they need to be packaged and published online and tied to your product.
No problem, already there. How about people stop demanding developers be mandated to include a set number of banana stickers in their project.
This. Who buys a game for the trophies? Is that honestly a thing?
dugdug
Banned
I don't know if it costs them nothing, but, I definitely can attest to holding back on buying games day one because of low trophy count, or no Platinum.
I know it's dumb, but, that's just how it is with me, these days. I enjoy the meta-game of going for trophies, and, it keeps me coming back.
It sucks, but, that's gaming in 2016.
Considering how often i see people talking about how much of a chore certain trophys were (Notice the simple past) i have a hard time believing that it's about fun.
That's why it's called integrity, I guess. You know, like you can be Van Gogh, paint sunflowers and starve, or you can paint caricatures of tourists for 20 a pop.
Some people are just strange, and don't think about money every moment of their life.
Of course, every person has liberty to choose as they like. I don't judge, but it is hard for me to understand people that are willing to forego a good game just because it doesn't ding a trophy ever so often. Diff'rent strokes...
sixteen-bit
Member
Nintendo did it right
my words came out wrong. I just would like for Sony to copy Microsofts system where every achievment is worth a specific amount of points, so that all games end up having the same "end score" for trophies.
and people don't take the 2016 tittle serious.. come on it is a joke .. I even expected someone to post the "What year is this?" picture..
GrantDaNasty
Member
Sean Vanaman/Jake Rodkin, if you're reading this. Include an additional free DLC trophy set and reference how you're appeasing a tribute due for Hanmik and I will purchase 2 copies of Firewatch the second it becomes a reality.
My money is on the line, just let me know where to spend it.
My money is on the line, just let me know where to spend it.
360 achievements were good for the time. now I no longer care for achievements on One because devs can add as much as they like.
nah, if trophies are implemented well, they can enhance the game's playability with other modes. killing x number is lazy and awful. but trophies for doing something that no one else has done or finding secrets that enhance the experience is fun and great for people who want the challenge.
People playing a narrative driven game for achievements/trophies. Wow. Is it like a gratification thing or something?
Used to when I was younger until I realised I wasn't having fun doing tedious/repetitive crap. This was well before trophies/achievements came about. I've only ever gotten them all in Transistor by accident.
Used to when I was younger until I realised I wasn't having fun doing tedious/repetitive crap. This was well before trophies/achievements came about. I've only ever gotten them all in Transistor by accident.
Devs have a "fixed" number of points to spend (around 300 for a "small" game, 1200 for a game with platinum). They can distribute these points like they want, they can choose to have just a few of them with a big part of gold ones, or a lot of them mostly of bronze.
Bronze: 15pts
Silver: 30pts
Gold: 90pts
Platinum: 180pts
Bronze: 15pts
Silver: 30pts
Gold: 90pts
Platinum: 180pts
Demoskinos
Member
I'd much rather take PS2 games like Sony is releasing them on PS4. I think its great they are putting in the work to curate a growing list of PS2 games with modern conveniences. And they are well worth the asking price because of it.
They just need to make a $90 dlc, two platinums, no additional content. They'll be rich.
I don't care about achievements in general. However, I do care about the achievements of a game I love. Which is why I only have 5 platinums, but they're all for games I'd keep playing after getting them. I've yet to platinum a game and go "well I'm never playing this piece of shit again!"
And this is important why? Trophies and achievements are just empty bullshit. You get nothing out of it if you get them all or none at all.
Now if they were talking about trophies that actually give you something that matters, but no they seel us that as DLC and the majority is happy to oblige.
Now if they were talking about trophies that actually give you something that matters, but no they seel us that as DLC and the majority is happy to oblige.
John Rabbit
Banned
some people like things.
some people like other things that are not the things that the first people like.
some people don't actually care.
why is any of this difficult to grasp? don't buy the game if you don't feel it's up to your standards. creators create with an intended audience in mind. if decisions they made during the creation process don't put you in that audience, the issue isn't on their end.
some people like other things that are not the things that the first people like.
some people don't actually care.
why is any of this difficult to grasp? don't buy the game if you don't feel it's up to your standards. creators create with an intended audience in mind. if decisions they made during the creation process don't put you in that audience, the issue isn't on their end.
same here. I've platinumed every game I loved. it feels great to complete them entirely. I like the challenge.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
I like Trophies, and I do find myself going after the plat in games I truly enjoy. Its sad that there are only 5 trophies in Firewatch, but that won't stop me from playing it.
YianGaruga
Banned
So you're not required to collect 7 different doohickies in every level to make a percentage go up?
How is this even a game. Sony should be ashamed
How is this even a game. Sony should be ashamed
Yes and even many back then where it shit like this didn't exist. My trophies were beating Ruby Weapon or Omega Weapon in FF7 or getting Excalibur I + II in FF9, doing all optional things in FFX and beating Richter etc. I didn't need a stupid reward for things like this... I did them because they were fun and how it is supposed to be.
Collection 100 feathers in AC2 and getting a few points which you could use for a discount on a new console... this is a waste of time and it is just a way to get the player to complete things.
The best example how people fall into this trap? World of Warcraft (and I played this on release for two years inlcluding the BC addon). People just check of things and get a cool "yeah you did this shit" thing.
And they think they managed to do something worthwhile and bam...they want do more. 
EdwardTivrusky
Member
I binned my original reply because you pretty much said what i wanted to. Thanks.
Gravy Boat
Member
I think I did it more before Trophies and Achievements were a thing, but that was probably due to having more free time when I was younger. I've yet to get a Platinum but did everything there was to do on Oblivion on PS3 which didn't have trophies.
EDIT: I want to make it clear that I'm not saying I now 100% games less because of trophies. It's just a coincidence that it worked out that way.
ohh it won't stop me either.. it was even nr. 3 on my most anticipated games for 2016 list.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=188560640&postcount=21
Darryl M R
Member
I think the devs knew what they were doing. Firewatch shouldn't be a game of "feel forced to do this because of these trophies."
I'm glad I can just play the game and get all the trophies without having to think about getting them. I never was a trophy hunter and I have a hard time seeing how this could be a motivator for some to buy the game, but I respect their decision to base it on that.
With that being said, it's really not that deep.
I'm glad I can just play the game and get all the trophies without having to think about getting them. I never was a trophy hunter and I have a hard time seeing how this could be a motivator for some to buy the game, but I respect their decision to base it on that.
With that being said, it's really not that deep.
malboroking
Banned
I wish every game had like 250 trophies. You would get one for starting the game, one for loading, one for saving. I'd have them go off all the time and you wouldn't be able to turn them off, just to annoy all of the whiners who come in and shitpost about how much they don't like trophies and achievements.