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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
- Thread starter Sweep14
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Bullshit!
Game is 720p/60fps.
Nothing lazy about it.
But I'm sure you would be happy with 1080p/30fps. Am I rite?
The Xbone has 32MB of eSRAM in which developers store their framebuffer because that's the fastest memory available on that system.
Deferred rendering engines use a lot of memory for their framebuffer channels.
This equals a problem
The architecture just isn't well suited for deferred engines. This isn't even some new thing that was just discovered on September 28th, 2014. This has been discussed since the very first leaks on GAF and predicted by many.
Can't believe you really think that 720p 60fps is the maximum that Xbox One can hit in this game.
AstroNut325
Member
I partially agree but some engines will be designed around certain hardware strengths. 60fps with dynamic lights is something that will continue to be a challenge from the looks of things. At least for the X1.
Ground zeroes. Same engine same problem. Xbox is obviously not ideal for the fox engine. The butt hurt on Mgsv will be palpable.
It's also more complicated to develop for, we don't know the way their engine works, it runs very well on PS4 but not on X1, there is clearly something the X1 lacks that is giving them issues, you can call them incompetent sure, but it's their first game, they have a time schedule and optimizing it takes a lot of resources, lazy seems a bit extreme, this is also MS's hardware fault, other developers also had the advantage of MS engineers helping with the code.
CambriaRising
Member
At 60fps on the fox engine? Yes at that level.
Gz was the same way, and TPP is almost certainly going to be 720/60 on the Xbox one as well.
Duxxy3
Member
It's probably not the best it can do, but the best they could do with the budget given to the XB1 version.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
No one will be buying PP on X1.
It has been said many times before, but if a developer is going to push the PS4 to the limit, it will be a significant difference with the One. All games that are equal do not utilize the PS4 hardware fully. Both have a very similar architecture and a clear difference in power. Not a PS3 and 360 scenario.
With that said, I do not think PES is all that well optimized for the One and 720p should not be necessary (I'd prefer some other trade-offs/better optimization and 900p)
With that said, I do not think PES is all that well optimized for the One and 720p should not be necessary (I'd prefer some other trade-offs/better optimization and 900p)
Forward renderer vs. deferred renderer.
Chobel
Member
Not the same game/engine.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Do you have dibs on the OT?
Duxxy3
Member
I should have a PS4 (again) at that point, so it would come down to controls.
Anyone know if they forced L2/R2 for aim/fire in GZ?
DatLackOfGBuffer
STOP comparing a different game with PES15.
Different game, different engine, different tech, and more.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Isnt Fifa doing 30 fps on replays?
Pretty sure it'll be the ESRAM that's the issue with Fox Engine: it just doesn't seem to suit using small and fast ESRAM memory with large amount of slower memory vs one pool of fast memory.
I guess 720p to 1080p seems a big gap but to ensure solid 60fps it might be the right option.
If this holds true for MGS V ( which I guess odds are it will ) the threads will be epic.
With PS3 there were certain engines you learnt always seemed to struggle with architecture design, seems Fox Engine just plain doesn't play nice with XB1 architecture.
Graphics Horse
Member
This is probably the case, they use 8 or 9 32bit render targets for Fox engine, just fits into 32MB.
EmptySpace
Banned
because resolution+framerate aren't just the factors at play here.
if everything else is equal (i assume), it's great that they only compromised resolution.
some games have less resolution, less fps, and then some on xbone.
Yep! MGS V : GZ video comparison on Kojima site was great.
Fixed that for you.
Yes, EA made a better job.
Anyway, I can't care less for PES, but if this happen in MGS V too, Konami will not see my money.
BruiserBear
Banned
No one is saying they should be the same. But 720p should not being happening on the XB1 at this point. There is a reason we haven't seen many games at that resolution, especially recently.
So, I should ignore that a soccer game runs in 1080p 60fps on Xbox One to excuse Konami.
I see...
looks pretty impressive to me.
Wow, I didn't realize it looked THAT good.
Chobel
Member
MS will probably make sure that won't happen, I guessing they will be sending some of their engineer teams to optimize xbone version.
720p/60 is going to be happening a lot on Xbone for games using deferred rendering targeting 60 fps.
krypt0nian
Banned
Count on it.
Bucket-o-roadkill
Member
Whatever the reasoning behind it, surely there's no denying that 720p for this on the XB1 is bad news. I mean what the fuck.
EmptySpace
Banned
pes looks to be better visually. being in the same genre doesn't really mean anything. they're both using different engines, and fox engine games look to be more visually-demanding than ea sports engine games.
It's a cherry picked comparison. Do that for 20 of the best players of the world cup and the results will not look like that.
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
same as fifa...
Do you understand that not every engine taxes the hardware the same way right?
Duxxy3
Member
When every other new game is 1080p or 900p, this sort of news sticks out like a sore thumb.
PES generally looks better player by player, even if the gap isn't that big. It probably helps that FIFA players all look like they've been molded out of PVC.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Are you aware of what parity is? To achieve that, something HAS to be gimped! Otherwise, that's creating parity between an HD 7870 and 7790 and concluding that there is no hardware advantages.
In both games the only player that look remotely like their real life counterpart are in the top 10-15 clubs.
Lion Heart
Banned
Here's another statement I heard a lot last gen and will reciprocate back to the Xbox crowd: why should devs spend so much extra time and resources on an SKU that will sell the least? This is on the manufacturer not the developer.
No chance, especially as time goes on. PES is competing with the juggernaut known as FIFA, their game needs to look as good as possible and they won't downgrade it for the Xbone. That's the beauty of competition.
No chance, especially as time goes on. PES is competing with the juggernaut known as FIFA, their game needs to look as good as possible and they won't downgrade it for the Xbone. That's the beauty of competition.
I'm not sure that would be too easy given the engine design. The publisher/developer seem to have to qualms so far (PES and MGS GS) about sticking to 720p/60fps on XB1 not have they been shy about making the resolution clear.
In short I'm not sure they'll agree to further invest even if MS do offer their Optimization team.
Yeah, doesn't change my point that it's a cherry picked comparison. Not every player looks that much better in PES, many actually look quite a bit worse than their FIFA counter part.
That's why you need to compare across a larger number, not just Neymar and the cover-athlete Goetze.