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PS+ Price Rise
- Thread starter AbandonedTrolley
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I see, very interesting!
Going to have disagree hard with you there.
I've had Amazon Prime for over years, and I've saved way more money by going primarily digital than by shopping retail.
I don't shop at Best Buy, but nothing will get me purchase from Gamestop again.
Although to clarify, most of the time I don't have PLUS but still enjoy PSN discounts.
Even without plus, occasionally they will compare to Steam sales.
I honestly agree with everything else you said.
I feel sorry for Europeans here, but going PC is still an option
PS Now content is not going to be included as long as PS Now is only available in 3 EU countries. So unless they are about to roll it out to a lot more countries, that speculation is not happening.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If they were adding new features then wouldn't it make more sense to have announced them along side the price rise to make it more palatable?
The price is rising, feature set is not changing.
Incorrect. Steam offers much more for free. Cloud saves, workshop, dedicated servers for most of their first party, native PS4/Xbox controller support, etc.
Meanwhile Uncharted 4 is a laggy p2p mess.
PS+ is a literal scam and the people that give money to Sony for this bullshit paywall should feel bad and have their videogames fan ID revoked.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Is that a display of the first stage of grief?: denial (that Sony will jack up the price without explanation)
zerokoolpsx
Member
First time I let my subscription lapse on PS+ in years. Rarely play multiplayer games anymore. Decision was easy to drop the service when game offering was lukewarm at best. Tired of Indie stuff.
Sad Affleck
Member
It is astonishing how many people still don't realize this.
holygeesus
Banned
I miss the reference clearly. Prices go up for everything else. Why would you presume Sony wouldn't do likewise for their subscription services? If 25p a week more makes it too expensive then unsubscribe. I fail to see why the matter of having to pay to play online comes up specifically for this price increase though - it should always be an issue to moan about, not just now that Sony have hiked the charges.
Sad Affleck
Member
The picture refers to the boiling frog parable:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
From the article:
By locking online behind a paywall and gradually raising the prices Sony is getting it's customers accustomed to paying more for a service that a) should be free to begin with and b) does not offer anything more to justify the price hike.
holygeesus
Banned
Yeah I saw the original pic earlier in the thread just now. No idea why the thermostat was cropped out, which is why I didn't get it.
Look, am I happy about price rises? No. Am I happy about having to pay for multiplayer? Nope. I'm just looking at this as a realist - if people took the stance to abandon Sony when they started charging for multiplayer initially, then fair play. Respect. However, if you have agreed to sign up to the service, knowing full well that you are being exploited by paying to unlock the full potential of the games you are paying for anyway, then to suddenly lose your shit when they hike the prices as they have elsewhere in the world? That I don't get.
Subscription services ALWAYS go up in price. Why would Sony be any different, especially when they have already done likewise elsewhere?
velociraptor
Junior Member
PS Plus has been absolutely GARBAGE on the PS4, and Sony think they can get away with a price hike? Fuck them.
Sad Affleck
Member
I think the price hike is just a chance for people to vent their frustration for paying for a service that they don't actually want. I imagine most of the complaints are from people who only pay for PS Plus because they have to in order to access online multi-player.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Hopefully Switch's online pricing scheme will help put a bit of pressure on Sony. I'll never be down with a company raising prices as they're earning more.
I posted this for fun but I'm starting to think that some people may seriously react that way. Incredible.
velociraptor
Junior Member
hey bro mind sending me 27p a day? I mean, it's only 27p a day!
geordiemp
Member
Hopefully Sony will learn nothing from Nintendo online (its almost insulting to call it an online service being behind 10 year old consoles), offering low cost for no functionality at all is a joke to anybody but Nintendo apologists.
Online X party chat, parties and the usual invites and ease of grouping up is an absolute minimum requirement for online play in 2017.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Judging from the fact that Sony doesnt have refund system unlike Steam, Xbox and Oculus store, maybe its safe to say Sony isnt learning from anyone
I let my PS+ expire for the first time in like a decade. Honestly I don't even miss it. I always hated the idea of paying for the same services that PC enjoys for free, but in the past, the discounts and free games made the pill way easier to swallow. Their service is a complete joke these days. IF they had introduced PS now as part of PS+ a long time ago, I might still be in... But even if they added it now, my money is happier with me in my wallet. I'm actually speaking with my wallet and committing and it feels very confusing for me. I shouldn't feel good about canceling my games service. Sony what are you doing to me?
Ah, someone shrugging off the price increase in their natural environment.
This analogy is 100% wrong here. It would be right, if Sony had slowly been raising the price by small amounts since the day PlayStation Plus started.
But they did the exact opposite - instead of raising the price slowly, they waited for years and then raised it by a large amount, most likely to ensure that they won't have to raise it again for the next few years.
So the situation is literally the perfect example of when NOT to use the frog in boiling water analogy.
XANDER CAGE
Member
How is that "the exact opposite"
GhostTrick
Banned
This analogy just mean they'll raise more and more. :")
I mean, the argument around has been "It's just 10 dollars a year ! Barely 1 dollars more per months. Just a few cents a day".
Sad Affleck
Member
Is it? Let's see:
- Free multi-player during the PS3 years.
- PS Plus is introduced. Not a requirement for multi-player, quite a few big games offered through the service.
- The PS4 is announced, PS Plus is now mandatory for online play.
- Very few big games offered through the service.
- The price of the service increased.
Within the span of a few years you went from free online multi-player and a cheaper optional service that offered good value to online multi-player behind a paywall and a more expensive service that offers less value. Doesn't the water feel hotter?
The frog analogy would be correct here, if they had raised the price by 2% every six months. They chose to raise the price by 25% after seven years.
So they didn't chose the middle ground (like raising it every two or three years), they chose one of the two extremes. So they did the opposite of what could be represented by the frog analogy.
I'm not disputing the facts, just the use of the analogy. It doesn't fit here.
This is actually one of the most insane things I've read on a gaming forum. So congrats on that.
Sad Affleck
Member
That's because you are only looking at the price. Looking at the big picture the PS4 owner is forced to pay more money for a lesser service and for something that used to be free.
I wonder if you will get ban
Human Trashcan
Banned
Yeah I'm out. I've been paying for PS+ mostly unthinking since getting my PS4 but I rarely play games online on PS4 and the PS+ selection is absolutely dire most months. On top of that, PS+ is still a complete trainwreck when it comes to download speeds, and still doesn't let you change your name.
I'm gonna let it lapse and I'll get Destiny 2 on PC a month or so later.
I'm gonna let it lapse and I'll get Destiny 2 on PC a month or so later.
Well, your first three points are only one point, written three different ways. The last point is the one we are discussing.
So your points are:
- PS Plus mandatory for online play.
- Quality of PS Plus free games.
- Price increase.
It's not realistic for Sony to offer online play for free when Microsoft asks money for it. The quality of the free games is very subjective. If you look at a list, there have always been a lot of small games and only few big ones.
Don't get me wrong - I don't like the new price either. But tell me one thing that hasn't gotten more expensive in the last seven years.
Uhm no?
lyrick
Member
Online PC Gaming is the same price today as it was when... well any time period
Right. These people exist lol.
I think it's more likely they would scrap the service altogether.
It would be bad and look bad for them.
Less than 10% of current subscribers would actually pay for it, and it would only exasperate the scummy practice of console gamers being required to pay online nowadays.
It was and they did for years, same as Nintendo and PC.
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this thread.
You're right. No matter how much Sony increases the price for PlayStation Plus, it will always be peanuts compared to the money you have to spend maintaining an even halfway decent gaming PC.
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this thread.
You're right. No matter how much Sony increases the price for PlayStation Plus, it will always be peanuts compared to the money you have to spend maintaining an even halfway decent gaming PC.
This cannot be a serious argument
MegaMelon
Member
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this thread.
You're right. No matter how much Sony increases the price for PlayStation Plus, it will always be peanuts compared to the money you have to spend maintaining an even halfway decent gaming PC.
How is that relevant though? On the topic of online play, PC has generally been free and still is whilst on consoles we have to pay for it despite not really benefiting from it. It's not like that extra money microsoft/sony/nintendo has will be going to servers or security.
lyrick
Member
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this thread.
You're right. No matter how much Sony increases the price for PlayStation Plus, it will always be peanuts compared to the money you have to spend maintaining an even halfway decent gaming PC.
I dont't know?
PS4 Nov 2013 - US$399.99, €399.99, £349.99 Launch Price
PS4 Pro Nov 2016 - US$399.99, €399.99, £349.99 Launch Price
and three and a half years of subscription costs for online paywalls and you're probably better off just going PC.
But really, why is it okay for Sony just to up the price? Four years ago we were paying absolutely nothing to play online w/ PlayStation consoles.
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this thread.
You're right. No matter how much Sony increases the price for PlayStation Plus, it will always be peanuts compared to the money you have to spend maintaining an even halfway decent gaming PC.
Oh god here we go.