How do you mean? I'd think after a 5 year cycle they wouldn't really be hurting themselves too much, especially as the Xbox One isn't leading this gen and there will be 2 new shinier platforms on the market which could be a problem for them.I'm curious why you think it'd hurt them.
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How do you mean? I'd think after a 5 year cycle they wouldn't really be hurting themselves too much, especially as the Xbox One isn't leading this gen and there will be 2 new shinier platforms on the market which could be a problem for them.I'm curious why you think it'd hurt them.
Pokemaniac
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The clock speed bump is actually more like 3x. The point still stands, though.
You're suggesting two years with products carrying superior specs on the market.
cyberheater
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LOL.
I'm trying to wrap my head around around what a 3D Mario game would look like on PS4 performance type hardware.
I would love a Metroid with that hardware. Zelda would be amazing.
Davey Cakes
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Joking aside, all this talk about the NX console is equating it to a PC or other consoles.You're not taking into account the new innovative donut screen controller concept that will make $400 sound like a bargain
It's going to have a "Nintendo component" as well which must be factored in.
As I conveyed before.
People were in awe at Mario Kart 8 and that game has shitballs for IQ.
Nintendo games on PS4-level hardware will be pure candy to all of us.
It would have AA, and that's probably about all that would change for a Mario game.
They can get chips cheaper then I could and we know from WIiU they were making profit quickly. Doesn't fly they can take a hit and very soon be raking in the money for slightly more potent system. If people want to argue how much power they should do fine, but Gotdatmoney nailed my point home better than I could apparently. We are lying to ourselves if we think 3rd western devs like ubisoft or EA will just hop on board and get to work.
I'm out for now will check back if other stuff comes up but need to chill with family.
lets be real, even the PS4k wont even touch high end gaming pcs. so what do devs exactly say/want? none of them will matcj a 970 for instance or anything close to a i5.
They are still losing money on the WiiU, actually. They wrote off a years worth of it once but its still a drain on them.
That patent for a Nintendo local cloud and additional CPU power would be nice.
For many devs, as we've seen in the past, they want as much as they can get in terms of performance.
Alebrije
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This is a dream that almost every Nintendo user has had since Wii era, see a Metroid /Mario game on a powerfull hardware that compares to competitors
Pro tip : keep your head wrapped.
Yes they could even if it doesn't take marketing and manufacturing, shipping, etc costs into account; though I'm curious as to where you're getting the price from? If it's based on the Wii U's launch price, I'm not sure how it compares since the Wii U hardware was half the cost of the system with the other half being the gamepad.
DragonKnight
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Theres a patent for additional power?
appreciate the info
cyberheater
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It's going to look amazing isn't it. I hope they show this stuff at E3 this year. They would take the show.
The jump form Wii U to PS4 is pretty high. It would be really exciting to see.
I can see myself eating my words, but... There will come a certain point when, say, 3D Mario titles won't need 'better graphics'. Mario is, and always has been, about the gameplay. That said, the closer we get to Pixar levels of shading/lighting, the better...! Stylistically speaking, the Mario games are consistently fantastic. Galaxy has superb direction, and managed to look amazing even with the Wii's paltry power.
Mario Kart would probably look crazy.
So you're saying Microsoft not releasing an Xbox 1.5 would hurt them? If that's the case then yeah I can agree on that. I thought you were saying that them releasing an Xbox Two in 2 years could hurt them.
I am curious about what they're going to do since Phil has said he's not into the idea, they can't really ignore the pressure of 2 newer consoles being on the market.
i'd say there's a very good chance for mario to be there. the big thing is that the development team's schedule seems to line up for a mario being out this year and they were already talking about making mario for nx.
Mario Kart 8 already looks lovely. Nintendo tend to do wonders with hardware and lighting.
There is yeah. I don't know what's become of it atm though. It did get rejected but Nintendo can refile and repeal and stuff. It's an idea that would be kinda cool.
It's essentially an attachment you can tether to your system and it provides additional CPU power and even local cloud. I believe there were other features as well like improving online service as well.
I already said NX/PS4 can't touch mid range machines at the top of their specs so high end has never been a consideration.
Boombloxer
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though the question is if 3rd party devs want to go through the trouble
Why bother when I can already play those on better supported systems from developers to online?
But the NX is a new potential audience that they couldn't reach before because the Wii U was too weak. If the NX is slightly above the Xbox and Zps4 that's a whole new potential revenue stream for them to reach by just porting it over.
This preconceived notion that Nintendo is like a leper in the industry and no third party wants to touch them is asinine and getting annoying. If there is a potential to make money, third parties will be there, must like they were for the Wii as much as possible.
DragonKnight
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Just need galaxy 3 and metroid prime 4. Lawd. Still there day one either way.
Pokemaniac
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One of Nintendo's recent patents was for a Supplementary Computing Device (SCD). You'd basically plug one into your console and have a local cloud node.
If it actually ends up becoming a product, it could be very interesting.
I can play most games on the best system of all- PC, but I still bought the consoles for their exclusives.
it looks like it's all lining up for Nintendo as far as games go. the first year of the NX could be ridiculous.
You will get NSMB Next and Federation Force HD and you will like it!
DaSorcerer7
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but you said you only know about the CPU, is that enough to go on to make that statement?
Lilalaunebaer
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Was watching shitty ghost hunting tv-shows, since i last checked the thread.
So we got info that the NX´s CPU is more powerful than the PS4´s now? Well, that´s nice to hear, since a lot were expecting it to be between the WiiU and PS4 at best (pessimists). Damn you E3, why you so far away.
So we got info that the NX´s CPU is more powerful than the PS4´s now? Well, that´s nice to hear, since a lot were expecting it to be between the WiiU and PS4 at best (pessimists). Damn you E3, why you so far away.
Higher than the X1s, which is itself higher than the PS4s. We need info on the RAM and GPU next, as well as the family for the CPU for the NX.
cyberheater
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Yep. It really could. I really hope so.
Davey Cakes
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I honestly hope so. They've been so secretive and haven't had many BIG releases recently. If Nintendo is really saving their best for the launch and launch window, it wouldn't be characteristic of them, but it would certainly be wonderful.
The NX needs a good kickstart. Maybe Ninty realized this.
#dreaming
ReyVGM
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"Nintendo president Satoru Iwata says Deluxe model selling better than Basic version is proof that pricing is not holding the system back, but rather lack of software.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-pricing-not-the-issue-says-iwata/1100-6412818/
Price is not a problem unless you give people what they want.
Lilalaunebaer
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Nice, thanks.
I mean, if they don´t skimp out on the CPU, i doubt they would on the rest of the system. Unless they want the system to be bottlenecked by the rest of the components, while the CPU runs at like 60% and the rest is unused. I´d like to think the system would be balanced. Dat NX thirst.
Grampa Simpson
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Nintendo should not design their console with a primary goal of being able to receive ports of games on other consoles.
Doing that is following. Not leading.
Doing that is following. Not leading.
that's why i'm saying pokemon sun/moon port. i feel as though the game's basically being rushed out for it.
That has more to do with Nintendo alienating the casual audiences and the only people buying the Wii U are hardcore Nintendo fans. The casual market is much more sensitive to price.
I don't get the point about such an upgrade not being enough for third parties to develop on it, LCGeek.
I mean, merely technically. You tell us the CPU is quite better than what was in PS4 and especially One. You also tell us that this is no Wii U at all, "thank God", despite not knowing enough about RAM and GPU. Okay. ...why shouldn't third parties develop for such a machine, technically? Hopefully, OsirisBlack's wording paints a harsher reality than what it actually is in terms of "significant sacrifices" for games devloped with PS4K in mind to run on PS4, but still: PS4K isn't a full generation jump and developers shouldn't abandon the almost 40 millions users OG PS4 already has (and that will keep on growing), so a console that should be quite better than OG PS4 and One, released NOW (this year), which is not late in the gen, but around the mid-life of this gen (with the gen concept probably changing in the next few years), why shouldn't it receive support from Western third parties? It's quite different from Wii U in terms of timing of release.
And I want to stress technically, from a mere, superficial point of view. What I'm trying to say is that, given the conditions from the market / rumours / what you said, I think there could be other factors influencing negatively the 3rd party support, like tools available (we know UE4 is supported at least, but we must know how), easiness of development and, maybe above all from another point of view, how the console / family / whatever performs on the market, alongside the games' sales. THESE are the main influencing factors, IMHO, given what we know, what you stated.
I mean, merely technically. You tell us the CPU is quite better than what was in PS4 and especially One. You also tell us that this is no Wii U at all, "thank God", despite not knowing enough about RAM and GPU. Okay. ...why shouldn't third parties develop for such a machine, technically? Hopefully, OsirisBlack's wording paints a harsher reality than what it actually is in terms of "significant sacrifices" for games devloped with PS4K in mind to run on PS4, but still: PS4K isn't a full generation jump and developers shouldn't abandon the almost 40 millions users OG PS4 already has (and that will keep on growing), so a console that should be quite better than OG PS4 and One, released NOW (this year), which is not late in the gen, but around the mid-life of this gen (with the gen concept probably changing in the next few years), why shouldn't it receive support from Western third parties? It's quite different from Wii U in terms of timing of release.
And I want to stress technically, from a mere, superficial point of view. What I'm trying to say is that, given the conditions from the market / rumours / what you said, I think there could be other factors influencing negatively the 3rd party support, like tools available (we know UE4 is supported at least, but we must know how), easiness of development and, maybe above all from another point of view, how the console / family / whatever performs on the market, alongside the games' sales. THESE are the main influencing factors, IMHO, given what we know, what you stated.
However, they do need to be at a standard with the rest.
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