Because people are idiots and think options are bad.
This thread is already filled with corporate apologists and fanboys.
Taking out an option that was in the first game is not good ffs
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[RUMOR] Destiny 2. No co-op campaign. Missions can only be re-played as a fireteam.
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This thread is already filled with corporate apologists and fanboys.
Taking out an option that was in the first game is not good ffs
pretty done
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Will be passing if true. I don't buy coop games to play them alone. Shits fuckin boring.
I imagine they don't have friends.
Yeah, I imagine a lot of people are planning to dive right into the co-op. I'm really hoping this is a misunderstanding, otherwise it feels like a pretty low swerve.
Nice edits. Might want to make another edit on this one as well at the time I'm replying to it.
But considering people have already made the same stupid argument about "real Destiny" players legitimately, it's no surprise people would think you're being serious. This is GAF after all, so people can be that seriously stupid (those making the terrible arguments, not those falling for them).
I also imagine they're fanboys as well. And once one becomes that, rational thought slips from the mind.
Askherserenity
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It is now 100% proven that Destiny fans will defend anything Bungie does.
LostDonkey
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I may be way off the mark so forgive me if so.
In Borderlands 2 there was many a moment where my game was joined by someone far in advance of Me, better gear, weapons etc.....and they just ran ahead.....killed everyone......leaving me to wander around behind them in an empty mission not knowing who or what had happened.
Kind of ruined a lot of the game when that happened.
Would this not stop that and give everyone an equal opportunity to experience the story first time round?
Sure you can go back afterwards and blast everything in sight but if they've spent a lot of time on the narrative this time in sure they want everyone to experience it.
In Borderlands 2 there was many a moment where my game was joined by someone far in advance of Me, better gear, weapons etc.....and they just ran ahead.....killed everyone......leaving me to wander around behind them in an empty mission not knowing who or what had happened.
Kind of ruined a lot of the game when that happened.
Would this not stop that and give everyone an equal opportunity to experience the story first time round?
Sure you can go back afterwards and blast everything in sight but if they've spent a lot of time on the narrative this time in sure they want everyone to experience it.
Since this breakdown is getting traction, I'll just say that it seems like the main difference between D1 and D2 is that hopefully all D2 campaign missions take place in areas separate from the patrol locations.
As someone who played a ton of D1, the cancer of that game's campaign (vanilla) was that there was a ton of overlap between patrol spaces and missions/strikes/etc.
Hopefully D2 missions will take place in areas separate from patrol zones, but that's just wishful thinking on my part.
Clarkus Darkus
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If true then i am out, It ruined Nioh when one of us had to do the mission first, The replay it in Co-op and then again if we wanted to do it through the yokai realm way with a companion.
Nothing more off putting then replaying the same mission over and over.
Let us do it at the same time if we want too.
Nothing more off putting then replaying the same mission over and over.
Let us do it at the same time if we want too.
I'm thinking most of these people just don't have anyone who wants to play co-op games with them because they're so insuferable. It would explain why they don't understand how co-op works.
PhantomThief
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In BL2 you can kick people out, you can select friends only etc.
Options are key here. You didnt have to let that person do all that stuff.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
or maybe we just don't make a big deal out of nothing?
mrqs
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I think there wasn't enough bad news coming from Destiny 2, right?
The game is already "Destiny 1.5", they're using ideas and content cut from D1 and now this. The most fun I've had on Destiny 1 was playing the campaign with my friends. Helping them out, get to enjoy that whole thing with them.
It really sucks. That shows how much Bungie thinks that Destiny is a competitive loot-driven game. And it is, but Destiny 1 wasn't JUST that. Loot compels you to keep playing, but it wasn't the main reason I was playing. Friends were.
The game is already "Destiny 1.5", they're using ideas and content cut from D1 and now this. The most fun I've had on Destiny 1 was playing the campaign with my friends. Helping them out, get to enjoy that whole thing with them.
It really sucks. That shows how much Bungie thinks that Destiny is a competitive loot-driven game. And it is, but Destiny 1 wasn't JUST that. Loot compels you to keep playing, but it wasn't the main reason I was playing. Friends were.
I get that people are disappointed. I empathize with wanting to play with your pals at launch, I totally understand that. But the issue is a lot of people are coming at this from an angle that Bungie is totally moronic and making decisions that negatively impact the playerbase for no reason other than their own ineptitude. Be mad about it all you want, but the feature is there once you reach it. It's literally there and obtainable. So being outraged at it's exclusion is just as outlandish to me as me defending the design choice is to you. Ultimately, you have the very thing you're upset about missing. Just treat campaign as one big tutorial to ease you into the rest of the game features, one of which being co-op. Other games do this. They gate your access to features behind progression, that's also something many, many games do.
If playing the game on launch day is an inconvenience simply because you have to do it by yourself, how much do you actually enjoy the game? At that point it's not about the story and it's not about the gameplay for you if neither of those is enough to encourage your progression through the campaign. Join a party and talk to your friends while you all play through your own campaigns. Discuss it during your mission runs, meet up post-game and re-run your favorites in co-op. You have options that make this way less of a devastating blow to your experience than it's made out to be.
I think everyone here is speaking on context of playing with friends, not really random people. So they shouldn't be an issue. And Destiny 1 gage you the option of playing solo too if that's what you wanted (as far as I can remember)
SanguineShark
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No one is forcing you to play Destiny with others, no one forced you to play Borderlands 2 with randoms.
This is disappointing for people that play with friends or family, that don't tend to do the annoying crap you're describing.
"Because I don't care about it or lack friends, this is nothing" sheesh, dude.
RumbleHumble
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This sounds right. It also sounds like how I remember Destiny 1 played out too.
Not saying this isn't fucking dumb (it is), but it's also not the end of Destiny as we know it.
EDIT: Not quite how I remembered it, now that I think about it as I could still help friends with missions in the campaign that became too tough for them from time to time.
I'm a Destiny fan, I don't like this at all.
Would you say it's 99% proven now? lol
Don't make blanket statements like that.
Pretty much.
Wildstar75
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Exactly, there were plenty of Defenders of Xbox One after the disasterous announce too. And yet I and most of my friends jumped from Xbox to Sony. What sucks here is it's too late for me to cancel my PSN preorder. It seems like if you have auto download enabled, and it downloads you are screwed.
I'm a Destiny fan and not defending this. It really doesn't make sense given the way this game is presented. Shared world shooter, clans, fireteams. Everything is marketed as a 'play with your friend's coop experience. I'm just waiting for confirmation on this info though.
Askherserenity
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Guess you're not a real fan. Step your game up.
If done like Destiny 1, this wouldn't be an issue. They main story missions would be walled off to people you haven't invited, because they're instanced sections. Destiny 1 already solved this problem for the most part, but just had a shitty narritive and recycled areas.
I'd say the costs outweigh any benefit. Off of the top of my head
1) Friends will rush through the campaign to not be the one holding the others up from playing it together.
2) If friends don't all finish the game at the same time you might have to end up waiting until you can play with a friend, even after completing the campaign.
3) If the campaign is like Destiny 1 you'll have seen all of the environments and enemies seperately, in your own campaigns, meaning you don't get to have shared discoveries with friends.
I'm sure there are other implications too, but the above certainly outweigh a solo player choosing to play with a random who drastically out-levels them.
pretty done
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How about give people the option to play alone if they want, and give people the option to play with FRIENDS if they want. Not many people really give a fuck about Bungie's trash attempts at storytelling. This is a game about shooting shit with your boys.
SanguineShark
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We've got scans and an IGN video.
I don't want it to be true, but you're not being entirely honest here.
I just think youre wrong about everything here lol. I'm not saying they don't have their reasons, I just think the reasons are bullshit, and easily solved. I know they are in fact, because the games industry at large has managed to not have this new a problem for years now.
I just don't agree with you. I feel like at best, this is patronising to players.
wesleyshark
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Scans and other evidence strongly suggest it's true, unfortunately. Hopefully it's just poorly worded.
MarineMountie
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Pretty much. They screwed over people that actually have friends to play with. So the majority of players I assume. What a shit decision from Bungie.
"I know! We will cut off the social aspect and force them to play our game solo!!! Genius!!!"
LostDonkey
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Thanks for the responses guys, suppose we wait for an official statement on this then.
Never really played D1 so don't know how it all works.
Never really played D1 so don't know how it all works.
mrqs
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Do we have any idea if the rumored December DLC will be paid? Destiny is the kind of game that everything should be free. I don't mind useless cosmetic micro transactions. Destiny 1 had that. I don't mind exp bonus for people who paid. Whatever.
But buying a game for 60 dollars waiting to spend another, I don't know, 20 bucks to get more content every 3 months?
This is an expensive game. I should be absolutely hyped to get on this hype train and spend that amount of money. They're giving more and more reasons for me to get out of this. Luckily, I'll be waiting for the PC version so I can wait to really make my mind out.
But buying a game for 60 dollars waiting to spend another, I don't know, 20 bucks to get more content every 3 months?
This is an expensive game. I should be absolutely hyped to get on this hype train and spend that amount of money. They're giving more and more reasons for me to get out of this. Luckily, I'll be waiting for the PC version so I can wait to really make my mind out.
I wonder if they'll clarify before Wednesday.
The scans and video don't say that at all.
Askherserenity
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Why wouldn't they let everyone know this beforehand?
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PhantomThief
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SanguineShark
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Plenty of people disagree with you. At best, the wording is dubious and left up to interpretation.
I'd love to be incorrect. Really, I would. I'll happily eat crow for this.
At this point I'm not sure what's going on.
The Futurist
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What the fuck?
No part of Destiny should be single player only. Maybe the first mission as a tutorial, but that's it.
You want to play solo? Sure.
I do not. That's the entire reason I was even considering this game.
No part of Destiny should be single player only. Maybe the first mission as a tutorial, but that's it.
You want to play solo? Sure.
I do not. That's the entire reason I was even considering this game.
The game was announced with an expansion pass. Sure, there are free updates, but the mini and major expansions? You gotta pay for those. That is nothing new.
Razgriz-Specter
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I was already on the fence and definitely not day 1,
im out.
im out.
This is pretty dumb if true, but isn't a big deal for me personally. I disliked playing story missions for the first time with my friend as they always talked through the story moments ( "who cares about the story Lolz"). So I was planning on playing it first time through by myself anyway. Sucks for others though. Hopefully Bungie changes it back later
also if you do not like this decision then you clearly are not a REAL destiny player!
seriously, its like bungies loves going 1 step forward and then 2 steps back..
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