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[SMT]

Yall like this kind of stuff, did you read the OP? lol, be out for blood over nothing lol

The blood is pouring, all I see is red.

Btw, where was red dead redemption 2?

Luckily Miyamoto is a grown man and not a 13 year old.

You couldn't have fooled me, the leather acting as his face would have given him away in an instant. But he sure does dress like he's thirteen, all he needs is a fedora hat, it would suit him.

#enterthesalt

 

[Seeds]

"What, none of these games is coming on our console? FINE, I WASN'T IMPRESSED WITH ANY OF THEM ANYWAY!"

Little Big Planet and Katamari Damacy to show up on Wii U.

 

[NeoGeoOwner]

The more I think about his quote, the more angry I get. RESPECT. Shiggy. Show some respect.

 

[tkscz]

The more I think about his quote, the more angry I get. RESPECT. Shiggy. Show some respect.

How are people taking this comment negatively? He just said they aren't games he would make. Think of it more literal than figurative.

 

[BocoDragon]

The more I think about his quote, the more angry I get. RESPECT. Shiggy. Show some respect.

Just because you don't think you'd make a game, doesn't mean you hate a game.

I'm sure Miyamoto wouldn't in a million years make The Last of Us. That doesn't mean it's bad.

 

[Darryl]

But he wasn't really mocking them. He sinply said they wouldn't be games he'd like to make, and there's nothing wrong with that.

yea, these games take different kinds of souls to make. people who enjoy the business side more than the creative side. finding ways to get the best performance from your underlings for the lowest working dollar, not new finding ways to do things that haven't been done before. miyamoto looks like the second one, so it should be obvious why he wouldn't like to be behind some of these games.

 

[Refreshment.01]

In this thread (and every other thread): confusing reuse of character IP with reuse of game mechanics.

If you took NSMB, changed the graphical style and redesigned every art asset and used new characters and setting (but the mechanics, stages, etc) stayed the same, is this a new game or the same game as NSMB?

If you took Uncharted, and did the above but gave it Mario characters and setting, are NSMB and Uncharted Mario the same game since they feature the same character IP?

Which game is more different from NSMB: the reskin with a new character IP, or the TPS that reuses graphical styles and characters?

This is a good point and there's some truth in there. I find the example a bit on the extreme side.

Uhhh no. Cave Story destroys any of the nsmb games and is an indie title. Given it's not a pure platformer like nsmb.

You just supported my point. In pure platforming terms no one so far can't touch Nintendo. If i was talking about other 2D games with other elements suplementing
the platforming Nintendo still reins, Super Metroid could be considered probably the greatest 2D action/platforming game ever created.

 

[gogogow]

Holy shit at some of the responses. What if Miyamoto said that he DIND'T like game XYZ at E3?!

 

[Templar_Dante]

Im sure deep down inside, he knows he wants to make a Mario-esque Evil Within.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I see nothing wrong with his statement. There are obviously different criteria at play when looking at a game from a creator's perspective rather than a player. I've heard of developers who love real-time strategy games but would think it's a nightmare to develop one.

 

[Kade]

How are people taking this comment negatively? He just said they aren't games he would make. Think of it more literal than figurative.

Nothing is literal man. Everyone in the games industry has ulterior motives. It's high time you sheep opened your third eye.

yea, these games take different kinds of souls to make. people who enjoy the business side more than the creative side. finding ways to get the best performance from your underlings for the lowest working dollar, not new finding ways to do things that haven't been done before. miyamoto looks like the second one, so it should be obvious why he wouldn't like to be behind some of these games.

This couldn't be any further from the truth.

 

[redcrayon]

What's the problem here? Seeing as his most recent big project was Pikmin 3, and generally his games are about whimsical fun rather than dead-serious killin', I'm not surprised he didn't see much that he would have like to have made.

Big difference between 'I liked that' and 'I would have liked to have made that'. He's one guy, answering a question about his personal opinion from a French site via a translator and probably trying to keep his response short and simple, and it's not like he's spamming his shitty opinion on twitter while wanking over the gaf thread.

I've often wandered around a games show or store and not seen anything particularly inspiring that day. Doesn't mean I hate everything.

 

[demidar]

Not motivated to create himself != Didn't like

There's a difference.

 

[darkistheway]

boo hoo, Miyamoto doesn't like my yearly shooter or my quirky indie games, boo hoo wah wah!

Nothing is literal man. Everyone in the games industry has ulterior motives. It's high time you sheep opened your third eye.

Thread redeemed.

 

[DeviousAngel]

Good god... part of me things these quotes become a little watped in translation or something. There's nothing there he would like to make currently. He's not saying then games weren't good, people. He's a game developer. Like any "artist" would do, he went around looking for inspiration but didn't find anything that satisfied his creative itch.

 

[dark_inferno]

Actually he is making a new IP.

Wait what? Source please? And dont tell me its a new IP on existing characters.

 

[m0t0k1]

He has no games outside of Mario 3D Land, and 8 kart. Which have been the same games for years. Yet, he decides to turn his nose at the games of others? Tell me Witcher 3 wasn't enticing! Tell me FF XV didn't make you cream your pants! Tell me Destiny didn't want to coerce you into playing it! Tell me Metal Gear Solid V didn't make you wet yourself?

Miyamoto is a prime example of arrogance, and delusional chauvinism.

All he outputs is B to A games recently, and he has the gall to knock on the floor of e3 as a whole? Bashing all the AAA games in the process?
Isn't he the guy who decided he wanted to have created Angry Birds?

Is your console selling, mimi?

Yeah, just don't act like you know how the industry works when you're so far up your arse.

#thesaltisstrongwiththisone

I can tell you with straight eyes None of those games did nothing for me. I do like the thought of final fantasy changing to real time stuff. But i have never been a final fantasy fan. I tried Metal Gear solid 3 and 4 didnt like it very much. and i do play fps but they never exite me they are a bit like a see ios some good games but essiantaly time wasters for me. It all depends on taste. Also he isnt saying he doesn't like the games the only thing he saying is that he didnt wish he created them. He is a designer at heart for him i think it should be games that are easy to pick up. and easy to play but hard to master. Gameplay first None of those games you listed have that as priority nr1.

 

[diamount]

That's because you do not like going out of your comfort zone.

 

[Respawn]

90% of everything on show, despite plenty of new IPs, was recycled game design in shiny new graphics. So I'm not in the least bit surprised he's saying this.

Thats quite hilarious. Same can be said of Nintendo.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Not too surprising. A lot of what was shown was pretty bland. Stuff that we've already seen but with incremental improvements.

Wonderful 101 is probably the most unique high profile game I can think of, but we already knew about that.

 

[darkistheway]

Thats quite hilarious. Same can be said of Nintendo.

Shiny new graphics and Nintendo are rarely used in the same sentence.

 

[Darryl]

This couldn't be any further from the truth.

go ahead and explain. i don't see how anyone could be put in charge of these major games with absolute creative freedom. it looks like the people at the head of design would be smart business types, understanding the market and maximizing resources. the games look like it.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Wait what? Source please? And dont tell me its a new IP on existing characters.

Miyamoto's "new IP" is an ongoing urban legend since the Gamecube days like 10 years ago.

I guess maybe the Pikmin 3 team will have to make something after they finally ship that game, and EAD #4 have burned NSMB to the darn ground, and may have to make something new, but who knows! (Probably work on more HD versions of Gamecube, Wii, and 3DS games!)

 

[redcrayon]

He has no games outside of Mario 3D Land, and 8 kart. Which have been the same games for years. Yet, he decides to turn his nose at the games of others? Tell me Witcher 3 wasn't enticing! Tell me FF XV didn't make you cream your pants! Tell me Destiny didn't want to coerce you into playing it! Tell me Metal Gear Solid V didn't make you wet yourself?

Miyamoto is a prime example of arrogance, and delusional chauvinism.

All he outputs is B to A games recently, and he has the gall to knock on the floor of e3 as a whole? Bashing all the AAA games in the process?
Isn't he the guy who decided he wanted to have created Angry Birds?

Is your console selling, mimi?

Yeah, just don't act like you know how the industry works when you're so far up your arse.

#thesaltisstrongwiththisone

Jesus wept. Yes, it isn't him answering a direct question about his personal taste, something the media are often interested in with senior designers as they are creatives rather than business suits. It's clearly him lashing out in salty vengeance over poor wiiU sales, moments before he firebombs the Sony display!

The only game you mention that I'm interested in is 'the Witcher: Wild Hunt', and maybe, just maybe, if I had invented the bloody Legend of Zelda perhaps I might already have made the sprawling adventure game I wanted to make decades ago. He's not saying he doesn't like the games, just that he didn't see one he'd want to have made.

If he had spammed his opinion on the Nintendo Direct, or at a press conference in front of thousands, or on Twitter, claiming that everything at E3 was terribad, you might have a point, but he didn't. It was one question, from one site, that required an immediate, translated answer.

Plenty of stuff to lay into Ninty about without casting a senior creative as the gaming antichrist for having the gall not to see anything he would want to be credited for and giving an honest answer. Miyamoto has been giving polite responses about his own personal thoughts to the gaming media for decades, it's refreshing and probably the reason Nintendo keep him under close lock and key.

 

[Glass Rebel]

That's because you do not like going out of your comfort zone.

He's worked on more different genres than most developers.

 

[the androgyne]

Semi-on topic, does anyone have an interview from around 1999 IIRC where Miyamoto said he wished he made Virtua Fighter?
He might have said he had a similar idea that might not have ended up as a fighting game (wtf?) too. I've been looking for the damn quote for years!

 

[Currygan]

told you he was just checking if the Vita actually got released

yea, these games take different kinds of souls to make. people who enjoy the business side more than the creative side. finding ways to get the best performance from your underlings for the lowest working dollar, not new finding ways to do things that haven't been done before. miyamoto looks like the second one, so it should be obvious why he wouldn't like to be behind some of these games.

that's how things go inside Nintendo? Bloody hell, you've got some really insider data right there. This is hot shit mate, needs to go in some blog or something

 

[Sentenza]

He's worked on more different genres than most developers.

He's also most likely taking a lot of personal credit for what dozens of faceless young employees created across the years under his lead.
Just saying.

 

[TrueBlue]

yea, these games take different kinds of souls to make. people who enjoy the business side more than the creative side. finding ways to get the best performance from your underlings for the lowest working dollar, not new finding ways to do things that haven't been done before. miyamoto looks like the second one, so it should be obvious why he wouldn't like to be behind some of these games.

...I have no idea what you're saying.

 

[kinggroin]

Its been a long time since Miyamoto has "created" a game anyway. Dude is on the tip of retiring and doesnt have much relevance for Nintendo going forward. Shame he couldnt end on some amazing new IP note and drop the mic after it.



Same as Nintendo's showing then, minus new IPs?

Does "everything on show" not already include Nintendo's safe software presser? Or are you just that bitter?

Edit: my apologies. Neff's statement was open ended enough that you could infer the 10% to be Nintendo's showing.

 

[HyperBitHero]

It was good, solid, nothing more.

That's honestly how I'd describe most Mario games. I'm almost done with 3D World for the 3DS and it's just solid platformer, nothing more.

 

[Glass Rebel]

He's also most likely taking a lot of personal credit for what dozens of faceless young employees created across the years under his lead.
Just saying.

Sure, most games aren't created by one person alone.

 

[Exterminieren]

Miyamoto is a prime example of arrogance, and delusional chauvinism.

Pro tip- if you don't actually know what words mean, it's probably best not to use them.

 

[abstract alien]

And the NSMB games aren't?

The actual level design and structure? Nope. Not in the slightest. NSMBU is one of the best performers ever made in fact, from a design perspective.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Does "everything on show" not already include Nintendo's safe software presser? Or are you just that bitter?

Miyamoto would have seen all those games internally, they wouldnt be new to him and require forming a fresh opinion on.

The quote is clearly referring to everyone elses games since this is a Miyamoto E3 tradition such as when he said he wished he's made Angry Birds or a casual "new play control" break out hit like it.

 

[thomasmahler]

Don't get the anger here. He's stating his opinion as a game designer - He didn't feel that there was anything so innovative and fresh that he would've liked to work on that game himself. I can totally see that.

Doesn't mean that he hated every game he saw at all.

 

[mentalfloss]

Miyamoto is a delusional chauvinist, lol

This thread is delivering in spades.

 

[kinggroin]

Miyamoto would have seen all those games internally, they wouldnt be new to him and require forming a fresh opinion on.

The quote is clearly referring to everyone elses games since this is a Miyamoto E3 tradition such as when he said he wished he's made Angry Birds or a casual "new play control" break out hit like it.

Read the edit.

 

[BasilZero]

Welp there goes any plan or dream of people wanting a FPS from him lol.

 

[linko9]

Miyamoto is a delusional chauvinist, lol

This thread is delivering in spades.

Don't forget he's just an "average developer."

 

[redcrayon]

He's also most likely taking a lot of personal credit for what dozens of faceless young employees created across the years under his lead.
Just saying.

Same goes for any senior creative. Someone has to sign off on it all and pick up the awards- Film directors are exactly the same, a lot of the stuff they get credited for was invented on the spot by talented specialists like camera, casting or effects people, but someone has to be the face of the project. Nintendo have been saying for years that they are training up the guys to take over when Miyamoto finally retires, but he casts a huge shadow, and blaming him for having the cheek to invent super bloody Mario seems a bit harsh.

 

[ASIS]

Why are you guys so bitter about Miyamoto not creating any new IPs? What does that have to do with anything he said? Seriously this forum is turning into "Woah Nintendo said something, I have to counter them with something witty! I just have to!"

 

[Currygan]

No he just likes recreating the same game over and over and over and over and over.

LOL, the ignorance runs ablaze in this thread

 

[Darryl]

...I have no idea what you're saying.

i'm saying the guy who makes run and jumps and upends tea tables mid-development completely altering the game just because he can wouldn't want to have been in charge of any of these massive 250 employee MMO/FPS games which enter development hell when you attempt to radically alter them mid-development.

big games need people who can understand big games. business minds

miyamoto has worked on smaller, 50~ person creative projects where his final word on how the game plays is law and the projects can be changed at any time until completion

that's how things go inside Nintendo? Bloody hell, you've got some really insider data right there. This is hot shit mate, needs to go in some blog or something

dawg there's like a trillion miyamoto interviews, iwata asks, game developer conferences, whatever. how he makes games is not private information anymore. he's quite open..

 

[SYNTAX182]

Damn. A lot of disrespect here for a first ballot hall of fame dev. The guy almost singlehandedly help resurrect a tanking industry back in the 80's and created games that are still being mimicked until this day. Even most indie games now are created using ideas he helped create.

He wasn't even bashing any games here. He just wasnt inspired be any of the games (yes that includes the indies) shown which is understandable since most were games that have been done before with more complex graphical improvents. Gamers are so defensive.

 

[kick51]

Why are people so bent out of shape about a guy barely dissing games that they haven't even played

I don't understand how some of you are so insane. And not "passionate" insane. Like "you need help" insane.

 

[Sakujou]

Some years ago he said that he would wish he had made angry birds. He is the guy who revolutionized pick up and play. So cant blame for not being blown away from this years e3.

 

[JDSN]

Miyamoto plays Tearaway: OMG Amazing humble man what an artist!!

Miyamoto says there was nothing that he could have liked to create: Fuck you you old bloated untalented hack!!


At least loose the Jack Tretton avatars before posting your corporate ballwashing misguided crap, you Kotaku-level-of-understanding fools.

 

[Zephyrus]

90% of everything on show, despite plenty of new IPs, was recycled game design in shiny new graphics. So I'm not in the least bit surprised he's saying this.

isn't that what nintendo has been doing over the years with their IP's?

 

[Currygan]

dawg there's like a trillion miyamoto interviews, iwata asks, game developer conferences, whatever. how he makes games is not private information anymore. he's quite open..

you have to excuse me, I misread your post, but I gotta say it wasn't perfectly clear. Honest