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Should Halo 6 keep or remove sprinting?
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There is a reason nobody plays DOOM's multiplayer or gives a shit about it. Its trash. So making it like the DOOM multiplayer that was developed by Certain Affinity is probably not the best advice.
Welfare
Member
I just find it funny how 343 were SO adament and hell bent on keeping sprint after Reach and 4 that they made the movement system in 5 revolve around it because of CoD and now games are coming out that prove you don't need it at all.
I think at this point Halo 6 needs sprint because Halo 5's gameplay actually works and I don't want to deal with another Halo that plays drastically different to the last for the sake of being new.
I think at this point Halo 6 needs sprint because Halo 5's gameplay actually works and I don't want to deal with another Halo that plays drastically different to the last for the sake of being new.
SmartWaffles
Member
LMAO it turns into a gaming side Halo thread only one page later.
Zeus The Dino
Member
Halo 6 will have wall running. Quote me in a year.
I've had no issues with spartan charge. You get punished like crazy if you miss.
blue_phazon
Member
Spartan Charge is definitely one of the things that need to be changed simply because there is a lock on mechanic with it.
You know how you sprint and see those brackets show up instead of a crosshair? When you sprint up to someone and they turn red, the Spartan charge locks onto them, which is stupid as hell.
I wouldn't mind keeping the charge if you only went in a straight line, and had a narrower hitbox than a normal melee. At least you could reliably dodge it that way
Yep exactly they need to make it so when you spartan charge you move in a straight line and it would be fine hope they listen to feedback
I would prefer no sprint but it's here to stay. I don't mind how it is implemented in Halo 5.
Also it is worth noting that overwatch does have sprint. It's only for Soldier:76 but it's still there for those people who won't play an FPS without sprint. And there are also other characters with abilities that give quick bursts of speed like D.Va and Tracer. Probably a few more that I just can't remember at this very second.
Also it is worth noting that overwatch does have sprint. It's only for Soldier:76 but it's still there for those people who won't play an FPS without sprint. And there are also other characters with abilities that give quick bursts of speed like D.Va and Tracer. Probably a few more that I just can't remember at this very second.
Naked Lunch
Member
Keep sprint but make it limited - add a sprint stamina meter. Running then jumping into a boost just feels too perfect in Halo 5's moveset to just get rid of it.
Someone off topic, but - Ive put 100s of hours into every Halo, including 5, and I actually think they thing that makes 5 feel a bit un-Halo is that the guns simply fire too fast. The damage of the guns are technically the same 4 shots as before - but the guns fire so much faster. You can drop someone in 4 shots so much quicker than other games. I think smaller Arena is 100% designed around this quicker gameplay but this is why Halo5's BR start Big Team feels so off. There is next to no time to react. The guns are too pinpoint accurate and fire too quickly. I love Halo 5 to death but there are improvements that can pull the game closer to the classics' feel.
Someone off topic, but - Ive put 100s of hours into every Halo, including 5, and I actually think they thing that makes 5 feel a bit un-Halo is that the guns simply fire too fast. The damage of the guns are technically the same 4 shots as before - but the guns fire so much faster. You can drop someone in 4 shots so much quicker than other games. I think smaller Arena is 100% designed around this quicker gameplay but this is why Halo5's BR start Big Team feels so off. There is next to no time to react. The guns are too pinpoint accurate and fire too quickly. I love Halo 5 to death but there are improvements that can pull the game closer to the classics' feel.
Goldfishking
Member
Annoys me when i hear people say this about any game franchise. For me halo is a game I play for custom games, firefight and good 4 vs 4 shooting. Halo 5 got these right and to me it is halo.
If you don't like it that's fine, but to dismiss it by saying 'it isn't really halo' is a lazy arguement.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
My brain is telling me sprint but my heart is telling me no sprint.
Collateral22
Member
About 15 hours or so, people leaving ruined my experience of it. I went back to H3 on MCC after that. Did they ever enforce matchmaking bans for people who quit?
SmartWaffles
Member
Halo 5's time to kill is actually fairly consistent across the franchise, maybe save for some of the tier 2 autos, the precision weapons don't kill faster than say Reach's no bloom setting DMR or Halo 2 BR (not even taking BXR or doubleshot into account).
They enforce heavy MM bans after the first week or so, one quit = ban.
Sprint...But I wouldn't mind settling down for a sprint bar. As long as the refill works much like how the health works i.e. takes a second but immediately refills quickly after that. This would allow people to be able to suddenly avoid getting caught in the middle with no sprint but will also prevent people from running around the entire map non stop.
In Halo, the movement speed was awfully slow despite the fact that canonically the Spartans moved at 40-50 miles an hour or so (can't remember the number) but in gameplay they feel like slowpoke, to explain myself further the movement speed of ODSTs didn't really feel different from the movement speed of Chief in previous games eventhough on is a Spartan and others aren't. So unless they turn Halo into Doom with the speed to match I'd say keep the sprint.
Both different games. Doom gets by because its default speed is still ridiculously higher than the sprint speed in every other game. Overwatch gets by because speed is dependant on your class etc with Genji and Tracer moving faster and even then Soldier 76 has sprint...There is no "one speed for all" as it was in Halo.
In Halo, the movement speed was awfully slow despite the fact that canonically the Spartans moved at 40-50 miles an hour or so (can't remember the number) but in gameplay they feel like slowpoke, to explain myself further the movement speed of ODSTs didn't really feel different from the movement speed of Chief in previous games eventhough on is a Spartan and others aren't. So unless they turn Halo into Doom with the speed to match I'd say keep the sprint.
Samurai G0SU
Member
They updated that recently due to that very issue.
Even with this change of removing the magnetism of SC, it still rewards people who blindly run into battles, which is its biggest issue.
Collateral22
Member
Is quitting still rampant though? It was extremely unenjoyable playing 2v4 and I don't play comp anymore so online is all I'd really bother with. Still have my CE just need an xb1 but would be interested if that was fixed.
Jonneh3003
Banned
I'm not sure they can go back to the older style now but if I had my way I would say strip Halo back to its basics. No spartan abilities, no loadouts, no sprinting. Just an arena based game where everyone spawns with the same weapon and you battle each other not only to win the game but to take their weapon. But to answer the question remove sprinting, I can't get into Halo 5.
Diablohead
Member
Halo never needed sprint in the first place when the base movement is correct, reach and 4 were a little on the slow side.
blue_phazon
Member
Yeah but there would be cues that someone is rushing like footsteps or radar or whatever.
Remove it. Sprinting and ADS brought no CoD viewers and games like Battlefront, Doom and Overwatch showed you can dominate without having to give ads guns or sprint. Make base speed faster, remove spartan charge and sprint, keep clamber and thrust and slide, maybe get rid of ground pound, remove the useless ADS sights and we gucci. Look how much better the magnum or even tactical magnum aiming looks compared to the base pistol with it's image blocking holographic overlay. I try and use H2 BR or classic BR whenever possible. That's just me though.
Going on your last paragraph halo is still all of these things. Map control, power weapons, (the best weapon balance the series has ever seen) , the same ole power ups , and a custom games browser that lets you play all the cookey stuff you want.
On spartan abilities They've improved the game so much and offer a whole new array of options that improves the game in a positive way and I don't see them ever going back.
I appreciate that they built inwards from a core of halo 2 and added on features that improve upon the core
I'm definitely not trying to single you out but you actually had a good constructive post that you don't see too often in halo threads.
How does it feel like Cod and how does 4 feel better to play?
How would you slide without sprint tho
Zeus The Dino
Member
Playing gametypes with no sprint, thrust, and the tactical magnum in customs are so much fun compared to the default gametypes
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
What Halo 6 needs more than any gameplay/movement changes is better maps, the actual gameplay is sublime.
I'm surprised that there are people STILL talking about Halo 5's ADS and how it ruins the game.
I mean wat? Unlike other games ADS in Halo doesn't affect accuracy/bullet spread compared to hip fire, it doesn't actually slows down the movement, nor can you keep aiming if you are being shot at. If anything ADS while engaging an enemy that is aware of you will put you at a disadvantage because you'll lose your aim and die. Using ADS for anything other than shooting enemies far off that aren't aware of you, is actually detrimental. Half of the weapons don't even do anything because they are useless at long range anyways which is where you'd likely use ADS for fine tuning your aim.
And let's not pretend that Battle Rifle and DMR didn't have this in past games, it was this same ADS that just looked different.
I mean wat? Unlike other games ADS in Halo doesn't affect accuracy/bullet spread compared to hip fire, it doesn't actually slows down the movement, nor can you keep aiming if you are being shot at. If anything ADS while engaging an enemy that is aware of you will put you at a disadvantage because you'll lose your aim and die. Using ADS for anything other than shooting enemies far off that aren't aware of you, is actually detrimental. Half of the weapons don't even do anything because they are useless at long range anyways which is where you'd likely use ADS for fine tuning your aim.
And let's not pretend that Battle Rifle and DMR didn't have this in past games, it was this same ADS that just looked different.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Wall running would be so janky in Halo, haha. What I would like to see is a double jump/wall jump. I also think ledge grabs should be quicker, other modern shooters do it better and it helps keep the flow and make you feel more agile.
I don't disagree with you but the bolded is wrong. It actually does change those, just not nearly as much as your standard modern military shooter.
Greatest Ever
Member
Doom is also designed much differently, and its movement model is based more around its AI enemy and spaces vs Halo 5's multiplayer and MP maps.
Honestly don't understand comments like these.
Well I've only ever used ADS with DMR, Carbine, Pistol and BR and whatever improvements I noticed were down to the fact that I could see and aim at far away targets better.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
I don't mind sprint in Halo 5. The one thing I could do without is Spartan Charge, can be very annoying to deal with (though not even close to Armor Lock in Reach). I think with Halo 6 they will most likely look at all of the Halo 5 mechanics and probably rein some in for more balance.
I feel they are being disingenuous. It's been a year now and people still call it ads when it's the same scope option from a different angle. People want to call it ADS for whatever reason but it's not.
Why is a "Quick retreat" option a bad thing?
Moa
Member
SR-148 here and I disagree.
Dictator93
Member
Why not just make the chief faster by default?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Soldier 76 would be pretty shit without sprint.
Collateral22
Member
Coming from AW at the time, it felt very similar to me. A very familiar feel and it clicked right away. I was playing with an AW mindset and being successful with it. For me I prefered the 4 MP. Still if I have to rate them, 2>3=Reach>4>5.